IMHO I think more often than not batman doesn't take this without prep which none was stated in OP. H2H skills are a wash in my opinion and so are physical stats. the only element I will say DD has a lil bit more working for him at the start of a no prep fight.
after the first couple salvos though it stops favouring DD and then becomes a toss up and stomp for batman if starts using efficient gadgets.
Originally posted by staxamillion
IMHO I think more often than not batman doesn't take this without prep which none was stated in OP. H2H skills are a wash in my opinion and so are physical stats. the only element I will say DD has a lil bit more working for him at the start of a no prep fight.after the first couple salvos though it stops favouring DD and then becomes a toss up and stomp for batman if starts using efficient gadgets.
Well said.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
I believed he beat DD in a cross over already? he figured out he was blind and beat him, dont remember much. Batman would win hands down. Hes the better tactician and while they but are pretty good fighetrs i believe Batman is a bit better.
Actually they fought to a standstill in that cross over, neither winning. Bruce figured out Matt was DD, but Matt also figured out Bruce was the Bat.
As said by Many Bat's would win most because of his gear.
If it were purely H2H no gear I'd give Matt the edge.
I've seen it said that Bruce wins because he is "peak human". But Matt has beaten pek humans before like BP, and Cap (he's ALSO had losses).
He's also beaten super humans like Namor (so much for the poster that Bat's wins because he beat Supes-
a) he hasn't and
b) it's as much PIS as Matt beting Namor)
Taken on a team of Avengers which had Cap, Widow, Herc and (IIRC) giant man. Of course PIS was involved in the herc take down because he deflected Cap's shield with his batton (courtesy of senses) straight into the Olympian's head.
Taken on a team of X-men
Matched Iron Fist to a standstill once and defeated him as well
Matched Spidey 4 times (one Spidey wasn't exactly in his right mind so PIS induced, and the others were just delaying actions but noteably Bat's hasn't faired as well vs Slade who is lower in stats. Even though Slade"s faster brain processing would make up for Spidey's spider sense.
Arguments can certainly be made for either side and it's far from one sided. The gear leans it toward Bruce because for one his Batsuit means it's harder to deal him a blow that would take him down.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
If Batman is a 12 in h2h Skills (mastering all 127 styles of combat) and KK is 15 (mastering all styles in the Universe) I would guess that DD is a 10, if you are generous a 11. His Superpower is helping him but Batman faced better enemies and won. So yes, DD is good but Batman is better.
you imply that the gap between batman and daredevil is almost the same as the gap between batman and mister i am so skilled i effect PC superboy and PC superman with my blows? really? like seriously?? 😬
as far as skills its debatable. i personally believe daredevil is slightly more skilled than batman. the reason why batman looks tougher is because IMO his physical stats, AKA durability and physical strength are slightly above daredevils. but of course it can be debated. but to say batman is that much above matt in skills? come on!
Originally posted by Dareangel
you imply that the gap between batman and daredevil is almost the same as the gap between batman and mister i am so skilled i effect PC superboy and PC superman with my blows? really? like seriously?? 😬
as far as skills its debatable. i personally believe daredevil is slightly more skilled than batman. the reason why batman looks tougher is because IMO his physical stats, AKA durability and physical strength are slightly above daredevils. but of course it can be
debated. but to say batman is that much above matt in skills? come on!
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbeI personally consider batman saying that he's mastered 127 styles to be laughable. Even if we assumed that he had a perfect eidetic memory and it only took him a year to master one style (lol, that's hilarious), he would have to be somewhere around 150 years old because he was a teenager when he started (and that's without even factoring in that he's watched two of his partners grow old enough to become men). Not only that, but his statement of his own level of knowledge regarding martial arts flies in the face of all of his losses against enemies that shouldn't be able to beat him (catman, bane, KGBeast, deathstroke, bronze tiger, lady shiva, etc).
Read again. KK 15, Batman 12, difference 3. Batman 12, DD 11-10, difference 1-2. So no. But Batman MASTERED alls earthly fighting techs, Matt didn't so I wouldn't say that Matt is on his level. And Batman faced KK two times, KK was his superior but Batman could hold his own and even impress KK.
Originally posted by deathslash
I personally consider batman saying that he's mastered 127 styles to be laughable. Even if we assumed that he had a perfect eidetic memory and it only took him a year to master one style (lol, that's hilarious), he would have to be somewhere around 150 years old because he was a teenager when he started (and that's without even factoring in that he's watched two of his partners grow old enough to become men). Not only that, but his statement of his own level of knowledge regarding martial arts flies in the face of all of his losses against enemies that shouldn't be able to beat him (catman, bane, KGBeast, deathstroke, bronze tiger, lady shiva, etc).
Two words. Comic Logic. Same as with most of Flash speed feats. Take it as sci-fi.
Also, it assumes that he only learnt one style at a time, and that they are all vastly different.
But mastering kickboxing, say, is very similar to boxing, so there's less time needed for that. Grappling from judo and jiu jitsu is similar etc etc. The human body only has so many ways it can move, after all.
It's still PIS, of course, especially once you factor in his languages, forensic science, chemistry, applied engineering, disguise and makeup, applied physics, spycraft, escapeology etc etc skills.