Team DC vs Team Marvel

as galan stated earlier, zoom was immune to that tactic since he wasn't a speed-force speedster, he was stretching/contracting time.

that's no different for quicksilver (body/matabolism designed for high speed) or northstar (accellerates atomic movement) or anyone else not connected to the speed force for that matter.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Are you guys saying that he CANT steal speed from anyone not in correlation to the speed force?

If so, thats false.

Jay has stole speed from bullets. Wally would have stole speed from Supes, but he didnt cause it wouldve caused to much destruction. Wally also stole speed from a brick(powerhouse). I cant remember the name atm.

Ahh. The name was Girder. Wally can take and lend speed from just about anyone he chooses.

Why he cant do it to Zoom is beyond me. Maybe cause he operates more in the time lvl and not a speed one?

don't get me wrong, i know flash has stolen speed from people/things who aren't connected to the speed force, in the past. i just gave the zoom incident as an example why some might argue whether or not that method would work on some of the marvellites.

and his lending speed is almost as deadly an advantage. i've argued for ss's abilities to enable him to perhaps remain unaffected by a speed steal, but i'm still not completely convinced. like jrod said, he's stolen from non-SF users in the past. he steals kinetic energy--has stolen it from an entire PLANET iirc. zoom is a special case, so i'm not sure we can extrapolate anything from that. 😬

And depending on which Fate and Marvel we're talking here, it may make it easier for team 1 imo.

Originally posted by jrodslam
And depending on which Fate and Marvel we're talking here, it may make it easier for team 1 imo.

i agree. dc kills them in this battle. here's a scan of flash--after taking a crazy beating from amazo--stealing even amazo's speed (and he was in possession of all the league's powers . . .)

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/FlashvsAmazo3.jpg

if he can do that to amazo, i see no reason why he couldn't do that to anyone in the marvel camp. 😬

he can't simply because the speed force doesn't power their movement at all, in dc the speed force is one of their forces.

it's the same as someone saying that a guy who manipulates the source exclusivly and can cut people off from the source can do the same to the power cosmic.

isnt the speedforce the source of all KE within Dc? If so then even when taking speed from objects etc, isnt he still doing it thru his manipulation of the speedforce? Why would such an ability work on anyone whose KE isnt derived from the speedforce.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
he can't simply because the speed force doesn't power their movement at all, in dc the speed force is one of their forces.

it's the same as someone saying that a guy who manipulates the source exclusivly and can cut people off from the source can do the same to the power cosmic.

Youre making it seem as if the speed force is a source in which everyone in the DCU has. Theres only a hand full of ppl that the speed force is even connected to.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Youre making it seem as if the speed force is a source in which everyone in the DCU has. Theres only a hand full of ppl that the speed force is even connected to.

But doesnt all KE emanate from the Speedforce?

Originally posted by Naija boy
But doesnt all KE emanate from the Speedforce?

Speedforce is the pinnacle of speed in the DCU. Does all ke emanate from the sf? I dont think so. It may have been stated in a comic possibly or something similar though. It all starts with ke ofcourse, but intil one is part of the sf, its just ke.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Speedforce is the pinnacle of speed in the DCU. Does all ke emanate from the sf? I dont think so. It may have been stated in a comic possibly or something similar though. It all starts with ke ofcourse, but intil one is part of the sf, its just ke.

Hmm. I thought i read somewhere the the SF is the source of KE in DC. ill have to recheck my flash collection

Originally posted by Naija boy
Hmm. I thought i read somewhere the the SF is the source of KE in DC. ill have to recheck mmy flash collection

Same. Like it being the source of all speed or something to that matter. Ehh. Is the the speed force a lvl of speed or a place? "Ill tap into the speed force and steal his speed/kinetic energy..." or "He gave his life to save us, and he went to the speed force...."

DC says that its a speedster thing, but if all ke does derrive from the sp, then anyone able to break light should start dancing the speedforce lines. Superman, Lanterns, Marvels, etc.

the SF is an extradimensional energy source. it's been said to be an aspect of the source by highfather.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
he can't simply because the speed force doesn't power their movement at all, in dc the speed force is one of their forces.

it's the same as someone saying that a guy who manipulates the source exclusivly and can cut people off from the source can do the same to the power cosmic.

huh?

the speed force doesn't power superman's movements, but he can steal his speed. not sure what you're getting at. 😬 to those who can, it seems the SF grants supreme control over kinetic motion. zoom's powers don't seem to be derived from kinetic, but rather from chronal energy. that might explain his unique immunity.

maybe . . .

Originally posted by Harbinger
Omega Red? Really?

Anyway, team two because of Juggy.

Yeah, because it's not like team DC has two really powerful telepaths on their side or anything...

Team DC

Originally posted by psycho gundam
he can't simply because the speed force doesn't power their movement at all, in dc the speed force is one of their forces.

it's the same as someone saying that a guy who manipulates the source exclusivly and can cut people off from the source can do the same to the power cosmic.

No.