Team DC vs Team Marvel

Originally posted by leonidas
huh?

the speed force doesn't power superman's movements, but he can steal his speed. not sure what you're getting at. 😬 to those who can, it seems the SF grants supreme control over kinetic motion. zoom's powers don't seem to be derived from kinetic, but rather from chronal energy. that might explain his unique immunity.

maybe . . .

But if the SF is the source/force that governs KE in DC (which im yet to confirm but i swear ive seen somewhere before), then even if supes isnt directly connected to it, it makes sense that flash can still steal his speed because of his (flash) manipulation of it since it is the original source/force that governs KE. Thatts quite different from a character who whom the speedforce has no dominion over.

The SF is where ALL kinetic energy is derived. Check out the JLA issue where this is stated, Naja. Joe Kelly's run, I think.

Originally posted by Naija boy
But if the SF is the source/force that governs KE in DC (which im yet to confirm but i swear ive seen somewhere before), then even if supes isnt directly connected to it, it makes sense that flash can still steal his speed because of his (flash) manipulation of it since it is the original source/force that governs KE. Thatts quite different from a character who whom the speedforce has no dominion over.

i . . . don't fully understand what you tried to say but i THINK you're right. in essence, having sufficient control of the SF allows for control over all kinetic energy since it is derived from the SF. it doesn't matter if the person whose speed is being stolen has a connection or not to the SF.

Originally posted by leonidas
in essence, having sufficient control of the SF allows for control over all kinetic energy since it is derived from the SF.

Yo.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
The SF is where ALL kinetic energy is derived. Check out the JLA issue where this is stated, Naja. Joe Kelly's run, I think.

that..........doesnt sound right.

Tazer

sure it does.

the speed force is so powerful, that it can traverse company lines and grant image/marvel/etc the ability to move. 😖hifty:

When I meant "All", I meant DCU. Not Marvel, Image, Dark Horse, etc...

some stuff i found about the speed force:

"The Speed Force serves as the ultimate measure of velocity in the DCU. They are often referred to in terms of barriers: Sound barrier, Light barrier, Time Barrier, Dimensional Barrier, and finally the Speed Force Barrier."

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Wallace_West_(New_Earth)

"Speed Lend/Steal - Perhaps his most versatile new power; because the Speed Force governed all motion, Wally could rob objects of their kinetic energy, motion, or momentum - for example, bullets in flight or turning a supervillain into a statue - and use the energy to accelerate himself even faster."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_Force

seems like it's tied to their universe (according to these).

Originally posted by psycho gundam
some stuff i found about the speed force:

"The Speed Force serves as the ultimate measure of velocity in the DCU. They are often referred to in terms of barriers: Sound barrier, Light barrier, Time Barrier, Dimensional Barrier, and finally the Speed Force Barrier."

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Wallace_West_(New_Earth)

"Speed Lend/Steal - Perhaps his most versatile new power; because the Speed Force governed all motion, Wally could rob objects of their kinetic energy, motion, or momentum - for example, bullets in flight or turning a supervillain into a statue - and use the energy to accelerate himself even faster."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_Force

seems like it's tied to their universe (according to these).

i don't think it's ever been a question that it is strictly dc based. 😕

in a xover where flash entered the marvel world, he couldn't run because he couldn't access the SF in the marvel universe. that has nothing to do with this battle though, where all powers work at optimum levels.

Originally posted by leonidas
i don't think it's ever been a question that it is strictly dc based. 😕

in a xover where flash entered the marvel world, he couldn't run because he couldn't access the SF in the marvel universe. that has nothing to do with this battle though, where all powers work at optimum levels.

Your statement didnt make sense, if he cant steal speed from people within the Marvel company then he shouldnt be able to steal it in this battle. 😕

No matter what forum its on.

Team Marvel.

Originally posted by carver9
Your statement didnt make sense, if he cant steal speed from people within the Marvel company then he shouldnt be able to steal it in this battle. 😕

No matter what forum its on.

I think what he meant was that since the Speed Force didn't exist in the Marvel Universe, the Flash couldn't access his abilities such as speed stealing but in a neutral battle ground where he can use all of his abilities such as in a forum, he would have access to all of his abilities.

Team DC wins by the way.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I think what he meant was that since the Speed Force didn't exist in the Marvel Universe, the Flash couldn't access his abilities such as speed stealing but in a neutral battle ground where he can use all of his abilities such as in a forum, he would have access to all of his abilities.

And thats where I disagree; everyone and everything in dc is connected to the speedforce so people in dc SHOULD be impacted by any actions that is taken from flash in regards of speed steal etc.... Since those same rules doesnt apply to Marvel (and they basically dont even know what the speed force is) they shouldnt be impacted by anything regarding the speed force, since, well, the speed force is a dc tool and marvel isnt connected to the speed force.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Team DC wins by the way.

I agree, its too many loop holes in this battle.

Team 2

Originally posted by carver9
And thats where I disagree; everyone and everything in dc is connected to the speedforce so people in dc SHOULD be impacted by any actions that is taken from flash in regards of speed steal etc.... Since those same rules doesnt apply to Marvel (and they basically dont even know what the speed force is) they shouldnt be impacted by anything regarding the speed force, since, well, the speed force is a dc tool and marvel isnt connected to the speed force.

Well, then I guess Flash can't run? His powers are through the SF. What is this is just neutral ground where EVERYONE can use their powers? Makes things a bit more fare.

Originally posted by leonidas
i don't think it's ever been a question that it is strictly dc based. 😕

in a xover where flash entered the marvel world, he couldn't run because he couldn't access the SF in the marvel universe. that has nothing to do with this battle though, where all powers work at optimum levels.

all characters that manipulate stuff have full connection and use of that reserve/power source in the kmc battledome, but that doesn't extend to the other companies characters i.e. the runner isn't going to spontaneously access and converse with the speed force in the kmc battledome all of a sudden.

Originally posted by leonidas
i don't think it's ever been a question that it is strictly dc based. 😕

Originally posted by carver9
And thats where I disagree; everyone and everything in dc is connected to the speedforce so people in dc SHOULD be impacted by any actions that is taken from flash in regards of speed steal etc.... Since those same rules doesnt apply to Marvel (and they basically dont even know what the speed force is) they shouldnt be impacted by anything regarding the speed force, since, well, the speed force is a dc tool and marvel isnt connected to the speed force.

So what you're trying to say is that because the Speed Force exists in the DCU, and not in the Marvel Universe, it wouldn't affect those from Marvel?

I assume in a neutral battle field, one's abilities should be in full play regardless. It's only fair.

I mean, going by that, wouldn't one be able to make an argument that the Living Tribunal wouldn't be nearly as powerful against someone from the DCU than it would from Marvel, since the Living Tribunal is so powerful in the Marvel Universe because of it's position, power and authority granted by the "The One Above All" who is basically Marvel, but it wouldn't be able to excercise that authorize and power against someone from DCU as it would against someone from Marvel? Not exactly a good analogy, but it's the first one to came to mind off the top of my head.....

srug

team marvel