Originally posted by jalek moyeI believed it was mentioned while he was fighting WW. WW said that it was harder than Superman's punches or something to that nature. Feat wise though no one beats Superman's punching feats.
seriously? i assumed he didnt because some of his sillier losesbut then again he does wierd stuff like that to "help" the heroes
Originally posted by Kris BlazeSo you're saying that in every instance of Zoom in combat, he's never been struck? Ever?
There is no attack Zoom can't dodge.
Cosmic Awareness does not give Surfer the ability to react to an attack coming much, much faster than he can react.Let's keep in mind that Surfer's no slouch in the speed/reaction-time department, either. But giving you the benefit of the doubt, this is why I said I see merit to your point if there were no initial combat interval where the two were getting a sense of each other.
Originally posted by xJLxKingThat Surfer is able to track or note things virtually anywhere in the universe implies that cosmic awareness operates with some independence of time (ie, it can function outside of normal spacetime, otherwise it would be limited to lightspeed and Surfer could be quickly aware only of things within a few lightseconds).
Most won't help him. Zoom is ALWAYS ahead of him because he controls his own time. Flash was only able to see images of him.
Anyway, from what's being said about Zoom, he is certainly impressive (especially if he's never, ever been struck in combat, which then raises the question of how much punishment he could actually take). But he doesn't have the power or versatility of the Surfer...and off-hand, I find it difficult to accept that Zoom's sheer advantage in one area -- speed -- would be enough to compensate. I'm not as familiar with Zoom as I am with the Surfer, so while my opinion remains unchanged (for now, at least), you've definitely given me things to consider.
Originally posted by jalek moyeHe doesn't one statement doesn't prove anything especially considering all the fight we have seen Zoom in.
it really doesn't seem like it unless he holds back alot
He does not hit harder than Superman, his ability to land many more punches might cause more damage but that’s speed feat.
So you're saying that in every instance of Zoom in combat, he's never been struck? Ever?
Let's keep in mind that Surfer's no slouch in the speed/reaction-time department, either. But giving you the benefit of the doubt, this is why I said I see merit to your point if there were no initial combat interval where the two were getting a sense of each other.
That Surfer is able to track or note things virtually anywhere in the universe implies that cosmic awareness operates with some independence of time (ie, it can function outside of normal spacetime, otherwise it would be limited to lightspeed and Surfer could be quickly aware only of things within a few lightseconds).
Anyway, from what's being said about Zoom, he is certainly impressive (especially if he's never, ever been struck in combat, which then raises the question of how much punishment he could actually take). But he doesn't have the power or versatility of the Surfer...and off-hand, I find it difficult to accept that Zoom's sheer advantage in one area -- speed -- would be enough to compensate. I'm not as familiar with Zoom as I am with the Surfer, so while my opinion remains unchanged (for now, at least), you've definitely given my things to consider.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Seriously.Zoom can easily hop into the past and dodge attacks, and attack Surfer whenever he wants.
So, if cosmic awareness doesn't help at all and it's just speed kills.. your saying he could beat Galactus cause he would never touch him right? Thanos, odin and Tyrant would all not be able to touch him correct? Since none of these guys have super combat speed they would lose...
Lastly, so Zoom has never been hit in comics?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So, if cosmic awareness doesn't help at all and it's just speed kills.. your saying he could beat Galactus cause he would never touch him right? Thanos, odin and Tyrant would all not be able to touch him correct? Since none of these guys have super combat speed they would lose...Lastly, so Zoom has never been hit in comics?
Originally posted by xJLxKingJust character claims.
Yeah, he does. WW commented that his hits are harder then Superman's.
Superman once commented that Guy Gardner hits harder than Doomsday.
Armored Zod broke Superman's jaw with a punch, and Superman had never seen anyone that strong.
He also recently made a wild claim about Icon hitting him as hard as he's ever been hit.
Among hundreds of other examples.
Superman's overall punching feats, even some against Wonder Woman, are more impressive. Remember, Superman made her black and sent her crashing to Earth from space with a punch.
Originally posted by Juntai
Just character claims.Superman once commented that Guy Gardner hits harder than Doomsday.
Armored Zod broke Superman's jaw with a punch, and Superman had never seen anyone that strong.
He also recently made a wild claim about Icon hitting him as hard as he's ever been hit.
Among hundreds of other examples.Superman's overall punching feats, even some against Wonder Woman, are more impressive. Remember, Superman made her black and sent her crashing to Earth from space with a punch.
Originally posted by xJLxKingI don't really think it is. She blacked out from Superman's punch and hurdled through space until crashing into Earth and causing a massive crater.
Zoom punching her almost around the world is just as a good feat as Superman's.
Besides it was only of those Speed Of light hits. They suppose to have more mass or Superman
Wally has better punching feats than what Zoom did to Wonder Woman. And Superman has better examples than both.
I don't understand the rest of your post after the first sentence.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
He was hit by speedsters, and caught by Hal, but all cases of PIS, and it really didn't do anything to him. When Hal, he got out easily.
So, then your with Kris theory that speed kills and Zoom could beat Galactus, Tyrant, Odin and Thanos because they aren't speedsters, cosmic awareness doesn't help, and they would never hit him. Oooo plus he hits harder then superman.. Is that your view as well?
Originally posted by Juntai
I don't really think it is. She blacked out from Superman's punch and hurdled through space until crashing into Earth and causing a massive crater.Wally has better punching feats than what Zoom did to Wonder Woman. And Superman has better examples than both.
I don't understand the rest of your post after the first sentence.
Originally posted by xJLxKingThat's pretty darn fast, indeed.
Wally, was a statue compared to Zoom.
Let me take it from this angle: has Zoom ever been defeated in combat? If so, by whom, and using what approach? You mention that Zoom was...
caught by HalWhat were the circumstances, and why couldn't the Surfer do this?
but all cases of PIS, and it really didn't do anything to him. When Hal, he got out easily.PIS is a thorny issue -- not that it doesn't exist, but it is a somewhat subjective call (lord knows, I've had to defend the Surfer numerous times using the PIS card). In any event, again, I'm curious as to the circumstances.