zoom vs silver surfer

Anyway, from what's being said about Zoom, he is certainly impressive (especially if he's never, ever been struck in combat, which then raises the question of how much punishment he could actually take). But he doesn't have the power or versatility of the Surfer...and off-hand, I find it difficult to accept that Zoom's sheer advantage in one area -- speed -- would be enough to compensate. I'm not as familiar with Zoom as I am with the Surfer, so while my opinion remains unchanged (for now, at least), you've definitely given my things to consider.

That's pretty darn fast, indeed. Let me take it from this angle: has Zoom ever been defeated in combat? If so, by whom, and using what approach? You mention that Zoom was...

What were the circumstances, and why couldn't the Surfer do this?

PIS is a thorny issue -- not that it doesn't exist, but it is a somewhat subjective call (lord knows, I've had to defend the Surfer numerous times using the PIS card). In any event, again, I'm curious as to the circumstances.

I'm pretty ****ing sure SS can travel through time. So when SS syncs with Zoom own time. Zoom turns into joe schmoe with no powers.

Zoom, easily.

Originally posted by xJLxKing

Zoom has many chances to kill Wally...etc. He never did. That's PIS imo. Galactus losing to earth was PIS(imo)

he said he wants to make him a better hero by taking everything away from him and beating him to the point that the hardship empowers him

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Punch him.

Really hard, really fast.

These jokes have not even READ shit with Zoom in it. Seriously, there's a reason why nobody has ever properly beaten Zoom.

With CIS on, Zoom would try to help and improve Norrin. Without it, we have someone who's capable of hitting ridiculously hard, is so much faster that he makes Wally and Superman seem like statues and has unlimited time travel. The Flash could NOT SEE HIM. What the fukc does Silver Surfer's speed matters here? He can't compete.

can zoom fly?

Originally posted by leonidas
can zoom fly?

Why would he need to fly?

Time powers, son.

doesn't he only affect his own personal time frame though?

Originally posted by leonidas
doesn't he only affect his own personal time frame though?

He's travelled far, far back in time.

He can't time freeze Surfer, but he could continously travel back to the start of the fight and attack there. Which is essentially the same thing.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
He's travelled far, far back in time.

He can't time freeze Surfer, but he could continously travel back to the start of the fight and attack there. Which is essentially the same thing.

and if ss starts the fight in the air? ss can also sense the future (can't recall the issue but i'm sure it was in the romita run--goob probably knows it). his cosmic awareness grants him a form of prescience. he should be able to use that power to sense/know an attack is coming and defend against it.

Originally posted by leonidas
and if ss starts the fight in the air? ss can also sense the future (can't recall the issue but i'm sure it was in the romita run--goob probably knows it). his cosmic awareness grants him a form of prescience. he should be able to use that power to sense/know an attack is coming and defend against it.

No, no he shouldn't.

Zoom only needs to find a time in space when Surfer has stood on the ground.

after rereading this thread and looking through a couple books and the zoom respect thread, i gotta say . . . .

no reason ss can't win this.

for all the talk about how zoom is "never hit", or he's hit only via PIS, flash has hit him MANY MANY times. in fact, by having jesse incant the SF formula and have it's powers added to flashes, flash was EQUAL to zoom in speed. not only that, at those relativistic speeds, zoom's punches weren't much more powerful than a normal person's. the power of his punches stems from momentum. if ss can move fast enough, the punches from zoom wouldn't even phase him.

with ss's senses, his overwhelming durability edge and his own speed + all his other powers, i see no way zoom can win this. given a cursory knowledge of zoom's powers, ss starts in the air, he's ready for a blitz, he attunes his senses and looks forward in time and he destroys zoom.

flash was able to perceive zoom as a blur when he accelerated to lightspeed. ss can perceive things move his body at 1000's of x that speed. i see no advantage that zoom has.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
No, no he shouldn't.

Zoom only needs to find a time in space when Surfer has stood on the ground.

eh? where has he ever done that? if ss knows zoom can time travel, ss can time travel himself. becomes quick draw at that point i suppose. or it comes down to who you think has faster travel speed.

Originally posted by leonidas
eh? where has he ever done that? if ss knows zoom can time travel, ss can time travel himself. becomes quick draw at that point i suppose. or it comes down to who you think has faster travel speed.

facepalm

So, Kris again.. Do you believe Zoom can beat Thanos, Odin or Tyrant? I mean they don't have the combat or travel speed Zoom does correct? You also claim the cosmic awareness will do no good with zoom and he hits harder then superman. If he doesn't want to be hit he won't be hit correct. So, you would then give Zoom the win against said characters?

Originally posted by leonidas
flash was able to perceive zoom as a blur when he accelerated to lightspeed. ss can perceive things move his body at 1000's of x that speed. i see no advantage that zoom has.

That is one of the worst logics I've ever seen.

Flash (Wally) is faster than SS

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So, Kris again.. Do you believe Zoom can beat Thanos, Odin or Tyrant? I mean they don't have the combat or travel speed Zoom does correct? You also claim the cosmic awareness will do no good with zoom and he hits harder then superman. If he doesn't want to be hit he won't be hit correct. So, you would then give Zoom the win against said characters?

Odin cannot be beaten by time manipulation, he could simply attack through time and it would strike Zoom.

Thanos can do something similar.

Tyrant? no idea.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Odin cannot be beaten by time manipulation, he could simply attack through time and it would strike Zoom.

Thanos can do something similar.

Tyrant? no idea.

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