~ Blackest Night - Discussion Thread ~

Started by xJLxKing78 pages

Originally posted by Digi
In the Superman: BN crossover. He's been fighting with Kal and Connor for a couple issues.

And even if Moore didn't write anything like it years ago, I saw it as kinda riding the coattails of the recent Zombie craze in comic books, so either way it's not the most original. Doesn't mean it's not a good book. But it's been not quite as good as the Sinestro Corps War yet.


No no, I have read the Issue(all BN). I mean what indicates that there is a PC Superman

As for the Alan Moore Interview, I think that guy is a JACK-@$$. First of, he admitted on another interview that he never has read the Blackest Night. Yet, he talks about it. Then he says that John uses his work and isn't being creative; that he only uses other people's work, like many other comic publisher do. Yet, what Alan Moore doesn't understand is that he is doing the same exact thing. He took Darkseid and expanded his story, background, and so much more. That's the same thing John is doing with Nekron. That's what you call hypocrisy.

Alan Moore need help. His work is good, but he gloats to much.

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i think its a tribute to john's creativity that he can take an 8 page story from 30 yrs ago and expand it into a "spectacular saga"...and i know that its a tag that gets thrown around in comics all the time but from the SC war, to the war of light will "change the landscape of dc universe for yrs to come."

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I mean what indicates that there is a PC Superman

Pre-crisis Superman, from Earth 2. He died in the 2nd crisis and was buried there in Smallville. He even references Earth 2 in the most recent issue. So it's him, without question. And I was just using him to point out that a lot of the major players seem pulled from the Crises, like Pariah and Psycho Pirate.

Originally posted by willRules
Did Alan Moore really have enough time to come up for air after removing his head from his self righteous, arrogant arse to talk utter crap?

And I say this as an Englishman who recognises that some of the top comic writers these days are British. Moore couldn't sound more like a foolish senile old man who cannot get over his own success enough to praise the feats of others.

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Originally posted by Digi
In the Superman: BN crossover. He's been fighting with Kal and Connor for a couple issues.

And even if Moore didn't write anything like it years ago, I saw it as kinda riding the coattails of the recent Zombie craze in comic books, so either way it's not the most original. Doesn't mean it's not a good book. But it's been not quite as good as the Sinestro Corps War yet.

but it's not like zombies in comics was pretty original either. i mean, you can trace it back all the way to george romero if you wanted.

honestly, i don't care where the inspiration comes from, as long as it's an enjoyable read, and so far, BN has been, imo...

Originally posted by -Pr-
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but it's not like zombies in comics was pretty original either. i mean, you can trace it back all the way to george romero if you wanted.

honestly, i don't care where the inspiration comes from, as long as it's an enjoyable read, and so far, BN has been, imo...

I kinda take issue with people who freak out to much about derivation in comics; the spandex world is a pretty closed, repetitive genre, and things have a tendency to draw on a lot of the same story elements. It's the same way the literary world works, with books almost "talking" to each other, even if they're narrative is wildly different: the major difference is that literature has a couple of thousand years of head start time, and (2) what would be referred to as "ripping off" in the comics world would be called a homage or an allusion in the literary one.

Honestly, you can take any superhero story and reduce it down to antecedents:

Blackest Night: "Doc" Smith's "Lensmen" books+ 50s EC Horror Comics
World War Hulk: Timely Comics "Monster" books

Batman is basically the Shadow, Superman is more or less Wylie's Gladiator, and the Joker is literally just a transplanted character from the 1928 film the man who laughs.

A perfect example is DC's Swamp Thing and Marvel's Man-Thing. Two extraordinarily similar characters, arrived at similar times- it would be easy to claim one is a rip off of the other, when the truth is they're independently created characters who merely draw on the same spectrum of referrants (and both are more or less rip offs of Grundy).

Plus, who is Alan Moore to get made about using other people's ideas:

"Morrison's regular "Speakeasy" column, "Drivel," which ran for a few years just after the beginning of his American comic book career (the "Animal Man"/"Doom Patrol" era), featured his thoughts on a wide variety of topics, as well as updates on his career. In the "Drivel" installment from "Speakeasy" #111, Morrison writes -- in a section titled, "Cor, What a Coincidence!" -- about his recent read of Robert Mayer's 1977 novel, "Super-Folks."

"And what a read it was!" exclaims Morrison. "It starts off with this brilliant quote from Friedrich Nietzsche, right? 'Behold I teach you the Superman: he is this lightning he is this madness!' Then it really gets going!" Morrison continues:

It's all about this middle-aged man who used to be a superhero like Superman. There's a weird conspiracy involving various oddly named corporate subsidies. There's a simmering plot to murder the Superman guy and unleash unknown horrors on the world. There's another middle-aged character in a rest home, who's vowed never again to say the magic word that transforms him into Captain Mantra. There's a corrupted and demonic Captain Mantra Junior and loads of other stuff about what it would be like if superheroes were actually real. In the end, the villain turns out to be a fifth-dimensional imp called Pxyzsyzgy, who has decided to be totally evil instead of mischievous.

Then Morrison adds, "Let me tell you, it's a book I can only describe as visionary, and you must also believe me when I say it would make a great comic." "Or even three great comics," he adds, before writing, "If only I'd read this book in 1978, I might have made something of my life and avoided all this pompous, pretentious Batman nonsense that's made me a laughing-stock the world over.""

Honestly, read some Joseph Campbell and you'll see how a lot more than any of us realize is the same story, with a lot of the same themes and elements. So yeah, there's no shame in similarity.

Originally posted by Digi
Honestly, read some Joseph Campbell and you'll see how a lot more than any of us realize is the same story, with a lot of the same themes and elements. So yeah, there's no shame in similarity.

There is nothing comic writers love more (and we'll go all the back to "American Gothic" or, if we want Morrison, "Zenith," or even "Arkaham Aslyum" then quoting a bit of the old Campbell and his monomyth....

I mean, it's such a perfect insight into humanity, so why not replicate it for comics...

Originally posted by tjcoady
I kinda take issue with people who freak out to much about derivation in comics; the spandex world is a pretty closed, repetitive genre, and things have a tendency to draw on a lot of the same story elements. It's the same way the literary world works, with books almost "talking" to each other, even if they're narrative is wildly different: the major difference is that literature has a couple of thousand years of head start time, and (2) what would be referred to as "ripping off" in the comics world would be called a homage or an allusion in the literary one.

Honestly, you can take any superhero story and reduce it down to antecedents:

Blackest Night: "Doc" Smith's "Lensmen" books+ 50s EC Horror Comics
World War Hulk: Timely Comics "Monster" books

Batman is basically the Shadow, Superman is more or less Wylie's Gladiator, and the Joker is literally just a transplanted character from the 1928 film the man who laughs.

A perfect example is DC's Swamp Thing and Marvel's Man-Thing. Two extraordinarily similar characters, arrived at similar times- it would be easy to claim one is a rip off of the other, when the truth is they're independently created characters who merely draw on the same spectrum of referrants (and both are more or less rip offs of Grundy).

Plus, who is Alan Moore to get made about using other people's ideas:

"Morrison's regular "Speakeasy" column, "Drivel," which ran for a few years just after the beginning of his American comic book career (the "Animal Man"/"Doom Patrol" era), featured his thoughts on a wide variety of topics, as well as updates on his career. In the "Drivel" installment from "Speakeasy" #111, Morrison writes -- in a section titled, "Cor, What a Coincidence!" -- about his recent read of Robert Mayer's 1977 novel, "Super-Folks."

"And what a read it was!" exclaims Morrison. "It starts off with this brilliant quote from Friedrich Nietzsche, right? 'Behold I teach you the Superman: he is this lightning he is this madness!' Then it really gets going!" Morrison continues:

It's all about this middle-aged man who used to be a superhero like Superman. There's a weird conspiracy involving various oddly named corporate subsidies. There's a simmering plot to murder the Superman guy and unleash unknown horrors on the world. There's another middle-aged character in a rest home, who's vowed never again to say the magic word that transforms him into Captain Mantra. There's a corrupted and demonic Captain Mantra Junior and loads of other stuff about what it would be like if superheroes were actually real. In the end, the villain turns out to be a fifth-dimensional imp called Pxyzsyzgy, who has decided to be totally evil instead of mischievous.

Then Morrison adds, "Let me tell you, it's a book I can only describe as visionary, and you must also believe me when I say it would make a great comic." "Or even three great comics," he adds, before writing, "If only I'd read this book in 1978, I might have made something of my life and avoided all this pompous, pretentious Batman nonsense that's made me a laughing-stock the world over.""

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Originally posted by tjcoady
I kinda take issue with people who freak out to much about derivation in comics; the spandex world is a pretty closed, repetitive genre, and things have a tendency to draw on a lot of the same story elements. It's the same way the literary world works, with books almost "talking" to each other, even if they're narrative is wildly different: the major difference is that literature has a couple of thousand years of head start time, and (2) what would be referred to as "ripping off" in the comics world would be called a homage or an allusion in the literary one.

Honestly, you can take any superhero story and reduce it down to antecedents:

Blackest Night: "Doc" Smith's "Lensmen" books+ 50s EC Horror Comics
World War Hulk: Timely Comics "Monster" books

Batman is basically the Shadow, Superman is more or less Wylie's Gladiator, and the Joker is literally just a transplanted character from the 1928 film the man who laughs.

A perfect example is DC's Swamp Thing and Marvel's Man-Thing. Two extraordinarily similar characters, arrived at similar times- it would be easy to claim one is a rip off of the other, when the truth is they're independently created characters who merely draw on the same spectrum of referrants (and both are more or less rip offs of Grundy).

Plus, who is Alan Moore to get made about using other people's ideas:

"Morrison's regular "Speakeasy" column, "Drivel," which ran for a few years just after the beginning of his American comic book career (the "Animal Man"/"Doom Patrol" era), featured his thoughts on a wide variety of topics, as well as updates on his career. In the "Drivel" installment from "Speakeasy" #111, Morrison writes -- in a section titled, "Cor, What a Coincidence!" -- about his recent read of Robert Mayer's 1977 novel, "Super-Folks."

"And what a read it was!" exclaims Morrison. "It starts off with this brilliant quote from Friedrich Nietzsche, right? 'Behold I teach you the Superman: he is this lightning he is this madness!' Then it really gets going!" Morrison continues:

It's all about this middle-aged man who used to be a superhero like Superman. There's a weird conspiracy involving various oddly named corporate subsidies. There's a simmering plot to murder the Superman guy and unleash unknown horrors on the world. There's another middle-aged character in a rest home, who's vowed never again to say the magic word that transforms him into Captain Mantra. There's a corrupted and demonic Captain Mantra Junior and loads of other stuff about what it would be like if superheroes were actually real. In the end, the villain turns out to be a fifth-dimensional imp called Pxyzsyzgy, who has decided to be totally evil instead of mischievous.

Then Morrison adds, "Let me tell you, it's a book I can only describe as visionary, and you must also believe me when I say it would make a great comic." "Or even three great comics," he adds, before writing, "If only I'd read this book in 1978, I might have made something of my life and avoided all this pompous, pretentious Batman nonsense that's made me a laughing-stock the world over.""

Well nowadays people tend to say something is derivative as though it's a bad thing, which is insane for me as I tend to adopt a rough, New Historicist approach.

Good reading for this subject is Harold Bloom's introduction to the Western Cannon, even though Bloom makes plenty of false statements.

Originally posted by tjcoady
about his recent read of Robert Mayer's 1977 novel, "Super-Folks."

"And what a read it was!" exclaims Morrison. "It starts off with this brilliant quote from Friedrich Nietzsche, right? 'Behold I teach you the Superman: he is this lightning he is this madness!' Then it really gets going!" Morrison continues:

A brilliant quote ?????????

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http://au.comics.ign.com/articles/102/1028581p1.html Nice Preview if you ask me. They even talk about Predator.

Spoiler:
it seems they don't trust the predator as much as Sinestro trust Parallax; same goes for the Ion(whale thing)

Sinestro kicks ass

Seriously, Sinestro. BAD ASS.

True, he is actually killing them. Though they just reform back, but it's still impressive. And to add to the awesomeness, they are using the black ring.

Here is the preview of BN:Titans. The last one was bad. This one actually lives up to the hype. Very nice for a preview. I liked the

Spoiler:
evil baby, and how Cyborg only has 4 feeling, and can only choose to feel one
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By the way, who is

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Terry, is it batman beyond ?

Argh.....can't stand that art.

It's nice. Well the first few pictures.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
and how Cyborg only has 4 feeling, and can only choose to feel one[/spoiler].

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Damn, I wanna see how they explain that because that sound just plain ridiculous.

Awesome fight between Mongul and Sinestro

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Sinestro got his ass kicked when they fought fairly, but Sinestro overides the ring and defeats Mongul. It was a bad ass moment. Truly nice

When they fought fairly? Would a fair fight entail Sinestro letting Mongul have 10 of the weapons he created himself, fuel by the energy source he harnessed?

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It was a fair fight. You can say that Sinestro has less rings or whatever, but before the fight, no one was complaining. Either way, Sinestro won.
No one expected the gap to be this huge.

Though, It's pretty clear what Sinestro had in mind. He didn't seem to want to hurt Mongul. He was protecting his people