~ Blackest Night - Discussion Thread ~

Originally posted by xJLxKing
It was a fair fight. You can say that Sinestro has less rings or whatever, but before the fight, no one was complaining. Either way, Sinestro won.
No one expected the gap to be this huge.

What are you talking about?

You said that Mongul was winning when they were fighting fairly. But how was that any more fair than Sinestro turning the rings HE CREATED HIMSELF on Mongul. If anything, Sinestro was the who was at a disadvantage, coming straight from a fight with the purple lanterns and black lanterns 😄

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
What are you talking about?

You said that Mongul was winning when they were fighting fairly. But how was that any more fair than Sinestro turning the rings HE CREATED HIMSELF on Mongul. If anything, Sinestro was the who was at a disadvantage, coming straight from a fight with the purple lanterns and black lanterns 😄

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Fair as in, he was expecting to fight Mongul with his ring. Like I said, no one was expecting Mongul to be stronger. Too bad he is 😉

Now what are you talking about?

Sienstro was pulled out of his second battle in a row, "you're gonna fight your rival!" and then he has to batter off Hal, Carol and crazytalk, and he STILL beat Mongul.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Now what are you talking about?

Sienstro was pulled out of his second battle in a row, "you're gonna fight your rival!" and then he has to batter off Hal, Carol and crazytalk, and he STILL beat Mongul.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Would he have beaten Mongul without overriding his ring?

Yes.

Sure didn't look like it 😉

BTW: Anyone seen BN:Titans? It's pretty nice! A much better step . The Titans are soo dead.

More zombie

Spoiler:
Hawks...and why did the Zamarons have their bodies in the battery anyways?

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
When they fought fairly? Would a fair fight entail Sinestro letting Mongul have 10 of the weapons he created himself, fuel by the energy source he harnessed?

Contrary to belief more rings do not make you more powerful this was even stated in the comics too. Also as much as it pains me to say it Mongul won fair and square and he was fighting off other corp members too sans the over-riding part

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
If anything, Sinestro was the who was at a disadvantage, coming straight from a fight with the purple lanterns and black lanterns 😄

Are you forgeting Mongul has been fighting longer then Sinestro before that fight? 🙁

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Sure didn't look like it 😉

Well try a situation where Sinestro sees Mongul coming and doesn't have fight off people meddling in :/

http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/0016.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/0019.jpg

Who's Sinestro shooting there? Mongul or the team? You don't think the time and energy spent moving them could have been used against Mongul?

Originally posted by -K-M-
Contrary to belief more rings do not make you more powerful this was even stated in the comics too. Also as much as it pains me to say it Mongul won fair and square and he was fighting off other corp members too sans the over-riding part

Contrary to popular belief, 10 rings give you 10 times the charge. Hence why Sinestro admitted that he with his one ring, could not take on Hal with his dozen. Regardless, it doesn't matter how many rings because Sinestro made the the one or the ten. It's his ring, his, he made it, he harnessed fear for it, it's his.

Had it not been for Sinestro, Mongul would never have reached that position.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Are you forgeting Mongul has been fighting longer then Sinestro before that fight? 🙁

No, not really.

Clearly days had passed since Daxam. It takes time to travel from there to Korugar. If we're going to go that far back, we might as well include Sinestro's electrocution and Mongul's fight against Ion.

Well try a situation where Sinestro sees Mongul coming and doesn't have fight off people meddling in :/ http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...lagrok/0016.jpg http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...lagrok/0019.jpg Who's Sinestro shooting there? Mongul or the team? You don't think the time and energy spent moving them could have been used against Mongul?

Originally posted by xJLxKing
same can be said when Mongul was hit by the team? Not to mention those hits looks damaging.

Just like all the attacks Sinestro took earlier in that chapter, and in the last comic looked damaging. Nor did Mongul attack them back, he buttheaded the chick in front of him. Hardly akin to a lost opportunity. So no, the same can not be said for Mongul.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Well try a situation where Sinestro sees Mongul coming and doesn't have fight off people meddling in :/

http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/0016.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/0019.jpg

Who's Sinestro shooting there? Mongul or the team? You don't think the time and energy spent moving them could have been used against Mongul?

and would it make a difference considering his previous attacks really did nothing? Your seem to ignoring the other corps were attacking Mongul too and when they wern't Sinestro was at Mongul's mercy 😬 I like Sinestro and really don't like Mongul, but S was clearly beat man.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Contrary to popular belief, 10 rings give you 10 times the charge. Hence why Sinestro admitted that he with his one ring, could not take on Hal with his dozen. Regardless, it doesn't matter how many rings because Sinestro made the the one or the ten. It's his ring, his, he made it, he harnessed fear for it, it's his.

Had it not been for Sinestro, Mongul would never have reached that position.

Thats not contrary to belief that's fact, but only becomes actually relevant when both are low on energy which neither were here so it becomes moot. He had to tap into his rings he made to stop Mongul as he couldn't do it on his own that's the point 😬

That's fine and dandy, but that doesn't change the fact Mongul apparently is a stronger Sinestro Corps member then Sinestro himself and that was shown and Sinestro had to do the hack-in attack to stop him.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
No, not really.

Clearly days had passed since Daxam. It takes time to travel from there to Korugar. If we're going to go that far back, we might as well include Sinestro's electrocution and Mongul's fight against Ion.

You know this how? and the violet light has instant teleportation as they didnt travel the same means as GL normally do so it wouldn't take days. So not sure where your getting the days from.

I wouldn't necessarily call it fair when one guy is wearing enough rings to form his own minicorps but mongul was definitely kicking his ass.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Contrary to belief more rings do not make you more powerful this was even stated in the comics too.

This is true.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Also as much as it pains me to say it Mongul won fair and square and he was fighting off other corp members too sans the over-riding part

I think had Sinestro actually tried to battle him like say he would battle Hal, the fight wouldnt have been as one sided. I think Sinestro hit him with a little bit of ownage in saying that his actions were unmotivated and empty.

Originally posted by -K-M-
and would it make a difference considering his previous attacks really did nothing? Your seem to ignoring the other corps were attacking Mongul too and when they wern't Sinestro was at Mongul's mercy 😬 I like Sinestro and really don't like Mongul, but S was clearly beat man.

Let's define nothing here, shall we.

http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/0017.jpg

Because that sure as hell looks like something. You don't close your eyes and grit your teeth together for nothing. That's pain. Ignoring it? Let's see, Hal hit Mongul with a ram. The first they attacked and did nothing, only to be attacked by Sinestro, Sinestro was far away. Mongul would have to chase him. So the first time, Sinestro could not have been at his mercy.

The second time we see that Sinestro is STILL being stepped on when they approach, which is all they do. Instead of attacking Mongul, Sinestro repels Hal, Carol and Crazytongue. So, not a whole lot of help he received.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Thats not contrary to belief that's fact, but only becomes actually relevant when both are low on energy which neither were here so it becomes moot. He had to tap into his rings he made to stop Mongul as he couldn't do it on his own that's the point 😬

They are operating on a finite source of energy. Having ten times the source is clearly an advantage. Anybody can understand this. Under Geoff Johns, having more rings makes you stronger, that's how it is. When firing an energy blast you can get 5% from one ring, or 5% from 10 rings.

Originally posted by -K-M-
That's fine and dandy, but that doesn't change the fact Mongul apparently is a stronger Sinestro Corps member then Sinestro himself and that was shown and Sinestro had to do the hack-in attack to stop him.

You don't have anything to base this off of. Sinestro was caught off guard, fought off the team twice and beat Mongul. You're claiming that his attacks had no effect, but I see Sinestro standing tall with no injuries at the end, and I see Mongul broken. I see Sinestro hitting mongul TWICE before that, and I see one attack being effective and one being ineffective.

http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/0017.jpg - Hit
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/0019.jpg - Miss

Originally posted by -K-M-
You know this how? and the violet light has instant teleportation as they didnt travel the same means as GL normally do so it wouldn't take days. So not sure where your getting the days from.

And now you're clearly misunderstanding. I'm referring to Sinestro's Corps' travel from Daxam to Korugar. Do you think that happened in a day? Sinestro went straight from another battle to this one, MONGUL DID NOT. You just emphasized that yourself.

Anybody with half a brain can realize that the man who's apparently intelligent enough to manipulate the Green Lantern corps, become the greatest lantern ever, create another corpse, etc is not so stupid that he'll go into a fight like this not knowing that he'll win. Mongul caught him off guard and tired at the beginning, but when it gets down to it, all Sinestro has to do is TAKE BACK WHAT'S HIS. They aren't Mongul's rings. You're not going to ***** if Magneto uses someone's metal weapons against them are you?

http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/0021-0022joined.jpg

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Let's define nothing here, shall we.

http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/0017.jpg

Because that sure as hell looks like something. You don't close your eyes and grit your teeth together for nothing. That's pain. Ignoring it? Let's see, Hal hit Mongul with a ram. The first they attacked and did nothing, only to be attacked by Sinestro, Sinestro was far away. Mongul would have to chase him. So the first time, Sinestro could not have been at his mercy.

The second time we see that Sinestro is STILL being stepped on when they approach, which is all they do. Instead of attacking Mongul, Sinestro repels Hal, Carol and Crazytongue. So, not a whole lot of help he received.

Seriously? 😬 and what did the shot really do? Nothing dude come on man this is getting foolish. He really wasnt rocked or even phazed. Lets also ignore the fact Mongul tossed Sinestro into a building so the other corps jumped in to assist and when he was not focusing on Sinestro he did that attack and what happened after? Mongul shrugged if off and physically beat the whole hell out of Sinestro 😬 You also dont know how far away Sinestro was, but the other corps member stoped him from attacking with his follow up.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze

They are operating on a finite source of energy. Having ten times the source is clearly an advantage. Anybody can understand this. Under Geoff Johns, having more rings makes you stronger, that's how it is. When firing an energy blast you can get 5% from one ring, or 5% from 10 rings. [/q]

It is, and noted in the comics when it goes an extended long periods of time when the solo ring can ring out of energy when the fight is long which isn't the case here now is it? That's not how it works actually.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
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You don't have anything to base this off of. Sinestro was caught off guard, fought off the team twice and beat Mongul. You're claiming that his attacks had no effect, but I see Sinestro standing tall with no injuries at the end, and I see Mongul broken. I see Sinestro hitting mongul TWICE before that, and I see one attack being effective and one being ineffective.

http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/0017.jpg - Hit
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/0019.jpg - Miss

and you would be wrong, I think your love for Sinestro is clouding your judgement as even talks at the other boards are saying Mongul clearly had Sinestro beat. Its your opinion and Im not going to change it.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze

And now you're clearly misunderstanding. I'm referring to Sinestro's Corps' travel from Daxam to Korugar. Do you think that happened in a day? Sinestro went straight from another battle to this one, MONGUL DID NOT. You just emphasized that yourself.

Anybody with half a brain can realize that the man who's apparently intelligent enough to manipulate the Green Lantern corps, become the greatest lantern ever, create another corpse, etc is not so stupid that he'll go into a fight like this not knowing that he'll win. Mongul caught him off guard and tired at the beginning, but when it gets down to it, all Sinestro has to do is TAKE BACK WHAT'S HIS. They aren't Mongul's rings. You're not going to ***** if Magneto uses someone's metal weapons against them are you?

http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/0021-0022joined.jpg

Potentially yes, as Corps have instant teleportation too and Mongul with the rings has shown to cross planet to planet in what looks like to be minutes. So yes actually I do as shown what the corps have done 😬

That has nothing to do with the fact that Mongul clearly had the better of him physically. Hal Jordan is labeled all these things, but do you think he has never been beaten before? 😬 Even if you say he caught him off guard at the start, which I really don't feel is the case. Sinestro still had amble time to recover and he didn't he got wrecked by Mongul and that's fact 😬

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
They are operating on a finite source of energy. Having ten times the source is clearly an advantage. Anybody can understand this. Under Geoff Johns, having more rings makes you stronger, that's how it is. When firing an energy blast you can get 5% from one ring, or 5% from 10 rings.

All rings operate via someones mindset or will to weild them. Its a mental thing for everyone. If someone can use a ring, and they are given 1 or 9 more, naturally, theyd think theyd be more powerful and will ring sling like they are the most powerful being. The extra rings just give a boost of confidence, so one would think they are becoming more powerful when its really not the case.

Yes, they are 9 extra sources of energy output, but its just there for show really. Its like having a lighter, and then getting another lighter and putting them together to make one flame. The flame doesnt really get hotter.

fair schmair....f **** mongul!!! its called the sinestro corps... who the f **** does he think he is? he is from a family that prides themselves of usurping power...the original war wolrd was just something his dad took over....punk ass mongul family.....razzer...frazzer

I think you a guys are going to have to accept that there will never be a fight where a character fight another and then are both 100% aware of the other and at 100% health. There are always some circumstances.

As for the fight, it was clear what happened. Sinestro was battling 2 other corps before this. However, we haven't seen him get hit, or damaged. He was pretty much owning everything in that fight. There is nothing to really indicate that there was a huge impact on him to change the result on how he fought Mongul. I do agree, he was thrown into the fight without warning, BUT Jordan, and the others help him out by attacking Mongul.

As for the fight itself. TO me, it didn't look like Sinestro was really attacking Mongul. He attempted to hurt him 3 times. The third worked byt overriding his ring and defeating him in the process. The first attacked didn't seem to hurt Mongul, but at the same time, Sinestro was protecting his people with his ring. His second attempt to to use an attack on Mongul's ring, but it failed. Mongul resisted it and just started pounding on Sinestro.

You can argue all day if it was Sinestro's plan to override Mongul's ring or not. Though, in my opinion, Sinestro was fighting to hurt Mongul, but his ultimate plan was to use his ring against him. That's not to say, it was his plan to get a beat down.

So until I see something else, I will say Mongul can Beat Sinestro.

To me, Sinestro seemed to be not that bothered by Mongul. He took a beating and didn't seem to care very much. just imo...

BL Titans was good, i thought. i liked both issues, and i've been pleasantly surprised by the mini so far...