501st vs. Hogwarts

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
I wont need to, thanks. 🙂

24 Walkers per 1 Venator class star destroyer.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Venator_Star_Destroyer

A thousand troops in the 501st. So thats safe to assume that the full 24 would be in use.

One walker carries 40 passengers, see below.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/At_at

So if there are 500 clones, thats about 12 AT AT's, all chocked full with clones.....So, the AT AT's will be dropped on the planet and the star destroyers/transports/whatever will break for high orbit as the AT AT's make their way towards Hogwarts.

Am I correct thus far? I want to be sure we are on the same page before I pwn this.

Clones don't use AT-AT's, thats the stormtroopers of the Empire, 20 after the clone wars.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No-one/just one has actually shown to be able to use the portkey spell. Going by forum rules of 'only feats shown in the movies apply' no-one/just one can use the portkey spell. And they can't turn the ground into a portkey, unless RJ wants to argue that they can turn the entire ****ing earth into a portkey.

Jesus Christ I can't believe I was the only one who remembered this.

The only other argument for Hogwats I saw was the invisibility-cloak Harry and Bellatrix flying around pwning. This wouldn't work, Vader would know where they were and pimp them.

Doubtful one portkey would cover the planet, which is why several overlapping portkeys would be used.

Portkeys can be made of anything, and it is never implied that there are any size limitations.

Dumbledore is the most powerful wizard alive, he and Voldy 1 and 2, and Dumbledore can create them, so surely Voldemort can to. Check this out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portkey#Portkeys

[edit] Portkeys
The Portkeys are first mentioned in Goblet of Fire. Once created by using the Portus spell, a Portkey can be set to transport anybody who touches it to a designated location, or to become active at a pre-determined time and transport to that location anybody who happens to be touching it at the moment of activation. They may also be set up for one-way, one-time use, or to transport the holder to and from a particular place in a round trip. The creation of Portkeys may be highly restricted in general: Cornelius Fudge is upset that Dumbledore would create one in front of him, from the head of the wizard depicted in the Fountain of Fair Fortune, and at one point Lupin says "...it's more than our life's worth to set up an unauthorised Portkey."

In the series, a Portkey is usually made from an unobtrusive object or bit of rubbish, to prevent Muggles from discovering their magical nature. When activated, the user feels a pulling or jerking sensation behind the navel, and then suddenly appears at the destination.[HP4] With enough practice, a graceful landing is possible: after the Portkeyed trip to the Quidditch World Cup in the fourth film, Mr Weasley, Cedric and Amos Diggory landed on their feet, while Harry, Ron, Hermione, Ginny and the twins fell onto the ground.

In Goblet of Fire, Crouch Jr., who was impersonating Moody, made the Triwizard Tournament cup a Portkey so it would transport anybody who touched it straight to the hands of Voldemort, expecting it would be Harry. However, Harry took the cup together with Cedric, so Pettigrew murdered Cedric.

And:

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Portkey

Portkey
Object information
Manufacturer Witch or Wizard using the Portus charm

Made By using Portus on any object

Usage Transports people to a pre-determinated destination

First appearance Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire

Latest appearance Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows

So yeah, portkeys can be created by Dumbledore, Voldemort, probably Arthur Weasley and the OOTP members.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Clones don't use AT-AT's, thats the stormtroopers of the Empire, 20 after the clone wars.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/At_te

38 clones per walker, so that's like 12 to 13 walkers. Agreed?

So, having established that, and giving the wizards two hours prep time, the wizards will have more than enough time to cover the entire forest with portkeys surrounding hogwarts, reaching out as far as they like.

Now for the AT TE's. Harry and Dumbledore/Voldy/Arthur/whoever will be scanning the area for any sign of the start destroyers as they enter the atmosphere. When Dumbles and Harry spot the AT TE's being dropped, they will conceal themselves with Harry's invisibility cloak and apparate there. Invisible, Dumbledore will cast portkeys all around the landing area. The AT TE's disappear as soon as they touch ground, or soon after. They are transported to the deepest point of the Atlantic ocean, where they sink like big ass stones.

And if the AT TE's touch ground and start their way towards Hogwarts, then Dumbles simply apparates under the invisibility cloak and casts portkeys in front of them. To make things easier, Aresto Momentum is used to slow the AT TE's descent.

Aresto Momentum
Dumbledore saving Harry PotterPronunciation: ah-REST-oh mo-MEN-tum
Description: Used to slow down an object or being that is moving.
Seen/Mentioned: Used by Dumbledore to save Harry Potter from a fall in the Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (film).
Etymology: Likely the combination of two words; the Anglo-French arester, meaning "To bring to a stop", and the Latin Momentum, meaning "The force or strength gained whilst moving." Literal translation: "Bring its momentum to a stop."

Either way, Hogwarts is defended before the clones get a shot off.

MAN this is too easy.

Nice try, but portkeys are shown in the movies, and wiki is a creditable source here, it's in the forum rules.

Doubtful one portkey would cover the planet, which is why several overlapping portkeys would be used.

Portkeys can be made of anything, and it is never implied that there are any size limitations.

Dumbledore is the most powerful wizard alive, he and Voldy 1 and 2, and Dumbledore can create them, so surely Voldemort can to. Check this out:

Sorry RJ, but we've been over this already in that Ironman thread. Saying that becuase Dumbledore/Voldemort is uber powerful he can do every spell, even if he's not shown he can, just doesn't work. It would be like saying that if someone can drive a helicopter really well, they should also be able to drive a car, even without proof. Becuase of the intricate nature of spells that rely on things like wand movement, concentration words and inflictions, as well as the individuality of each spell, this comparison is viable.

The ground itself is just one object though, you can't seperate parts of it to use as a portkey, unless your going with individual dirt particles, which wouldn't be very effective. And there should be a size limitation with portkeys, becuase magic in HP has been shown that it has limitations about size and strength of spells (moody states that advanced magic can't be done by novices aka the killing curse, Crab fails to control his Firefiend spell, Ron can't do levitation well etc). Plus turning the earth into a portkey wouldn't bloody do anything 😆

And I read the rules, and the only thing it states is that if you don't know something, you should google or wiki it. It doesn't say anything about using it in debates.

So yeah, portkeys can be created by Dumbledore, Voldemort, probably Arthur Weasley and the OOTP members.

Except Arthur and the OOTP aren't in this battle, so they can't be used. So at best you have one, maybe two who can do they spell. They won't be able to do enough in two hours I don't think and they can't just randomly point at stuff (rocks and stuff) while flying becuase of lack of aim. Trees they could do, but those could easily be burned down. Also, they could just go in through the gates, elliminating most of the portkey opportunities.

I don't get why people were attacking you though, on the surface, yours was a perfectly reasonable way for hogwarts to win.

]So, having established that, and giving the wizards two hours prep time, the wizards will have more than enough time to cover the entire forest with portkeys surrounding hogwarts, reaching out as far as they like.

Now for the AT TE's. Harry and Dumbledore/Voldy/Arthur/whoever will be scanning the area for any sign of the start destroyers as they enter the atmosphere. When Dumbles and Harry spot the AT TE's being dropped, they will conceal themselves with Harry's invisibility cloak and apparate there. Invisible, Dumbledore will cast portkeys all around the landing area. The AT TE's disappear as soon as they touch ground, or soon after. They are transported to the deepest point of the Atlantic ocean, where they sink like big ass stones.

And if the AT TE's touch ground and start their way towards Hogwarts, then Dumbles simply apparates under the invisibility cloak and casts portkeys in front of them. To make things easier, Aresto Momentum is used to slow the AT TE's descent.

Vader would pwn an invisible Dumbledore though.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Good eye, sadako said AT AT's, I was just going with what he said. Clones use these:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/At_te

38 clones per walker, so that's like 12 to 13 walkers. Agreed?

Nope.

Their capacity means they can carry those troops.
Not that it takes all those troops to operate the things.

As ever, occasionally making it above the gargling, cries of premature (and in this case) totally false victory claims emminate from within RJ's Wizard pleasuring tent.

His Bush "mission Accomplished" sign on a boat style undue arrogance have blinded him cause of all the wizard juice in his eyes.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Sorry RJ, but we've been over this already in that Ironman thread. Saying that becuase Dumbledore/Voldemort is uber powerful he can do every spell, even if he's not shown he can, just doesn't work. It would be like saying that if someone can drive a helicopter really well, they should also be able to drive a car, even without proof. Becuase of the intricate nature of spells that rely on things like wand movement, concentration words and inflictions, as well as the individuality of each spell, this comparison is viable.

The ground itself is just one object though, you can't seperate parts of it to use as a portkey, unless your going with individual dirt particles, which wouldn't be very effective. And there should be a size limitation with portkeys, becuase magic in HP has been shown that it has limitations about size and strength of spells (moody states that advanced magic can't be done by novices aka the killing curse, Crab fails to control his Firefiend spell, Ron can't do levitation well etc). Plus turning the earth into a portkey wouldn't bloody do anything 😆

Except Arthur and the OOTP aren't in this battle, so they can't be used. So at best you have one, [b]maybe two who can do they spell. They won't be able to do enough in two hours I don't think and they can't just randomly point at stuff (rocks and stuff) while flying becuase of lack of aim. Trees they could do, but those could easily be burned down. Also, they could just go in through the gates, elliminating most of the portkey opportunities.

I don't get why people were attacking you though, on the surface, yours was a perfectly reasonable way for hogwarts to win. [/B]

there! that was what i was thinking about, i just remembered. the flaw in your argument, rj, is that they would have to concentrate on the things they'd turn into portkeys, and they could only do much in 2 hours and get away as quickly too before the clones arrive or see them. also, they couldn't turn the ground into portkeys - there must be a limit to how huge the stuff to be made into portkeys could be. i mean, if i wanted to change that water inside a glass into a portkey, it might be possible. but if i wanted to change the water into ocean into a portkey... welll... yeah. if you change the ground into a portkey... er, isn't that impossible?

also, the clones and anakin would be careful in this one, just like in every battle. if they are unsure of the terrain, anakin might even sent in a couple first to scout the area and to check if there are anything suspicious - and especially if they know that they're going against wizards, then the clones would assume that most of the stuff could be charmed during the hogwarts prep, so they would be really really careful.

also, i think that dumbledore and co. would be more interested in protecting the students that placing portkeys all around the place. i imagine them flanking the students inside the fortress of the school, maybe even in that main hall thing, and the teachers, voldy and co., dumbledore and maybe the higher students would help guard the younger ones inside the castle. the clones would scatter them, pick the students off one by one and attack the stronger peeps in groups. even jedi couldn't face against too many clones/droids - much more a wizard who could only charm one thing at a time. its still possible that the wizards win this, but they'd take heavy casualties. but i think that the clones could take this if they scatter them and kill them one by one.

the wizards aren't really military geniuses.

Ooooooooooooooooooooooh...!

PWNed. RJ. PWNED..! (as you would put it)

SMACCCCCCCCKdowwwwwwwn...!!!!!!!!!

As Joe the gangsta from Robocop said:

"Does it hurt...? Does it hurrrrrrrrt...?" 😛

Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't get why people were attacking you though, on the surface, yours was a perfectly reasonable way for hogwarts to win.

I would just like to point out that I never attacked RJ personally during my posts. I just tried to counter the arguments he put forth. At least, I don't think I attacked him...if I did, I apologize. 😕

Its all counterance/mirroring to the Fanboy debating tactics that RJ employs.
RJ has a long habit of abusing people and taking a lofty position of self grandure when he thinks he has a win, whilst not knowing when to quit when his argument is destroyed, and gimping the opposing argument with all the unfair stuff he can muster.
He likes to get abusive, therefore I think that "attacked" is a strong word here. Its just repayment for what he gives out. 🙂

Originally posted by Nephthys
Sorry RJ, but we've been over this already in that Ironman thread. Saying that becuase Dumbledore/Voldemort is uber powerful he can do every spell, even if he's not shown he can, just doesn't work. It would be like saying that if someone can drive a helicopter really well, they should also be able to drive a car, even without proof. Becuase of the intricate nature of spells that rely on things like wand movement, concentration words and inflictions, as well as the individuality of each spell, this comparison is viable.

The ground itself is just one object though, you can't seperate parts of it to use as a portkey, unless your going with individual dirt particles, which wouldn't be very effective. And there should be a size limitation with portkeys, becuase magic in HP has been shown that it has limitations about size and strength of spells (moody states that advanced magic can't be done by novices aka the killing curse, Crab fails to control his Firefiend spell, Ron can't do levitation well etc). Plus turning the earth into a portkey wouldn't bloody do anything 😆

And I read the rules, and the only thing it states is that if you don't know something, you should google or wiki it. It doesn't say anything about using it in debates.

The portkey can be made from any object, right? Well, in this scenario, 12 walkers are being deployed. Dumbledore and Harry are under the cloak, invisibile. The land around Hogwarts is thick and bushy, like Endor. If you dont buy the fact that the ground can be used as a portkey, then all Dumbles has to do is enchant every tree in their path. Sooner or later every AT AT will touch one of the trees, and ZAP goodbye AT AT's, goodbye clones. All he needs to do is point his wand and whisper "Portus", and there you go, instant portkey. He could half apparate around in the air, enchanting them as he goes. He doesnt even need Harry, you know. He can do it alone.

Dumbledore solos.
Better?

Except Arthur and the OOTP aren't in this battle, so they can't be used. So at best you have one, [b]maybe two who can do they spell. They won't be able to do enough in two hours I don't think and they can't just randomly point at stuff (rocks and stuff) while flying becuase of lack of aim. Trees they could do, but those could easily be burned down. Also, they could just go in through the gates, elliminating most of the portkey opportunities.

I don't get why people were attacking you though, on the surface, yours was a perfectly reasonable way for hogwarts to win. [/B]

Originally posted by Jaeh.is.Awesome
there! that was what i was thinking about, i just remembered. the flaw in your argument, rj, is that they would have to concentrate on the things they'd turn into portkeys, and they could only do much in 2 hours and get away as quickly too before the clones arrive or see them. also, they couldn't turn the ground into portkeys - there must be a limit to how huge the stuff to be made into portkeys could be. i mean, if i wanted to change that water inside a glass into a portkey, it might be possible. but if i wanted to change the water into ocean into a portkey... welll... yeah. if you change the ground into a portkey... er, isn't that impossible?

also, the clones and anakin would be careful in this one, just like in every battle. if they are unsure of the terrain, anakin might even sent in a couple first to scout the area and to check if there are anything suspicious - and especially if they know that they're going against wizards, then the clones would assume that most of the stuff could be charmed during the hogwarts prep, so they would be really really careful.

also, i think that dumbledore and co. would be more interested in protecting the students that placing portkeys all around the place. i imagine them flanking the students inside the fortress of the school, maybe even in that main hall thing, and the teachers, voldy and co., dumbledore and maybe the higher students would help guard the younger ones inside the castle. the clones would scatter them, pick the students off one by one and attack the stronger peeps in groups. even jedi couldn't face against too many clones/droids - much more a wizard who could only charm one thing at a time. its still possible that the wizards win this, but they'd take heavy casualties. but i think that the clones could take this if they scatter them and kill them one by one.

the wizards aren't really military geniuses.

The portkeys in place, the clones and AT AT's are through.

To cast a portus spell, all one needs to do is point their wand, think of a location, utter the phrarse portus, and there you have your portkey. Coupla seconds, tops.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Its all counterance/mirroring to the Fanboy debating tactics that RJ employs.
RJ has a long habit of abusing people and taking a lofty position of self grandure when he thinks he has a win, whilst not knowing when to quit when his argument is destroyed, and gimping the opposing argument with all the unfair stuff he can muster.
He likes to get abusive, therefore I think that "attacked" is a strong word here. Its just repayment for what he gives out. 🙂

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Bullshit. If this is so, why have I never been banned? Hmm? Why have I only received maybe two or three warnings in all my time here? Hmm? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm? Go ahead, tell everyone I get abusive. You know full well I only say shit in a retaliatory sense 99.9% of the time.

Hahaha, don't play that card (again), we've gone around too many times in here for that.

-You employ passive-aggressive tactics in hopes of being attacked to distract away from your failed points.

-You purposefully ignore points/facts that counter your argument and then play silly biased gimping games to whichever side you want lose.

Anyhow, I haven't gotten a response as to your supposed fact of "only magic can counter magic", where is this written in stone?

I'd also like for you to explain why if all energy is relative and thereby magic can block/counter blaster fire, why isn't the opposite in effect, ie why can't blaster-energy counter magic-energy?

Originally posted by Robtard
Hahaha, don't play that card (again), we've gone around too many times in here for that.

-You employ passive-aggressive tactics in hopes of being attacked to distract away from your failed points.

-You purposefully ignore points/facts that counter your argument and then play silly biased gimping games to whichever side you want lose.

Anyhow, I haven't gotten a response as to your supposed fact of "only magic can counter magic", where is this written in stone?

I'd also like for you to explain why if all energy is relative and thereby magic can block/counter blaster fire, why isn't the opposite in effect, ie why can't blaster-energy counter magic-energy?

And I kinda dropped that energy argument, didnt I?

Now, back to the portkeys and dead clones, K?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Ok Rob, whatever you say.

And I kinda dropped that energy argument, didnt I?

Now, back to the portkeys and dead clones, K?

You dropped it now since logically blaster-fire (or enough of it) could destroy your portkeys, if all energy is relative (which it is in theory) how two-sided on you.

Edit: Personally, I think Anakin-Vader uses the back entrance while the Clones are laying seige to Hogwarts and chews everyone inside a new ******* with a combo of Jedi speed, precog, jumps, sabre-skills and Force trickery. Just be another Order 66, children slaying included.

Originally posted by Robtard
Glad we agree.

You dropped it now since logically blaster-fire (or enough of it) could destroy your portkeys, if all energy is relative (which it is in theory) how two-sided on you.

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Spells

FiendfyrePronunciation: Feend-fire
Description: Fiendfyre is seemingly unstoppable cursed fire whose flames take the shape of fantastic creatures that appear to stalk those caught in its path. It can also destroy Horcruxes.
Seen/Mentioned: Used in the Battle of Hogwarts when Crabbe, Goyle, and Draco Malfoy cornered Harry Potter in the Room of Requirement when he was searching for Rowena Ravenclaw's lost diadem. Crabbe cast Fiendfyre, which become flaming beasts that pursued Harry, Ron, and Hermione and gleefully devoured every object within the Room, including Crabbe and the Horcrux within the diadem.
Etymology: A "fiend" is a cruel or wicked person, or a demon; "fyre" is a reference to fire.
Notes: The caster must be able to control Fiendfyre, or it can spread indefinitely. The fire cannot be extinguished by water or fire-stopping charms, and the spell's flames may have some independent consciousness. Hermione Granger notes that she was aware that Fiendfyre was extremely destructive and that it can potentially destroy a Horcrux. However, she never considered using it because it was too dangerous. It is likely that Fiendfyre is too difficult or impossible for most to control.

And yes, Voldemort CAN control fiendfyre, he is shown doing so in OOTP. Crispy clone critters ✅

Jedi speed aint gonna help Annie when he touches a portkey.

So now Dumbledore and Harry are under one little cloak and they're flying around making port keys at their leisure? LoL, that's classic barrel scrapage.

Anyhow, there's thousands of Clones in the 501st, so while Dumbledore and Harry are spending quality time under that one cloak (somehow) while airborne and picking off Clones here and there, the rest batter Hogwarts, kill anyone they see and take the castle. Sure they'll lose many a trooper, but they don't care, they were bred for war and death means little to them.

Anakin uses the back entrance, sir. Let me guess, everything's a portkey, right, even the air.