501st vs. Hogwarts

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You want simple? Here's simple:

Voldemort half apparates under Harry's invisibility cloak, the Death eaters half apparate and together they use Fiendfyre to fry the Clones and AT AT's. If fiendfyre doesn't finish off the AT AT's, Dumbledore apparates behind them, wingardium leviosa's them, and tips them over.

Hermione has her time turner and is circling high above on a thestral. If the battle goes wrong, she merely turns time back half an hour, and the battle can be fought over and over.

Half apparate? How in the hell does someone half teleport?

Because 500 clones won't be shooting them all to shit, somehow.

Oh my, why not just give Hogwarts everything under the Sun? Having a constant reset button renders this battle moot, not that it wasn't once the massive gimping started pages and pages ago. Anyhow, while she's circling high above, a drop ship rams into her and turns her into splatter.

Originally posted by Robtard
I don't think they need to descend that low to deploy those ships, as the Clones are protected, they could be dropped high into the atmosphere, where the air is too thin and too cold for some old man on a broom to venture.

Okay, do you think Clones are that stupid they're not going to realize that one, maybe two of their colleagues have vanished and just keep on stepping on that little stone.

So Dumbledore isn't going to be able to pop in and out of every ship, dropping a stone along the way in a perfectly placed stop. THose ships will deploy, fly and land very quickly, this was seen in AOTC and ROTS several times, Clones get in and attack rapidly, they're blitzkrieg masters.

Also, Harry Potter has the cloak, it's his ****ing cloak. Period.

Again, moot point, we have new conditions.

Harry can easily hand over the cloak as wear it himself.

Originally posted by Robtard
Half apparate? How in the hell does someone half teleport?

Because 500 clones won't be shooting them all to shit, somehow.

Oh my, why not just give Hogwarts everything under the Sun? Having a constant reset button renders this battle moot, not that it wasn't once the massive gimping started pages and pages ago. Anyhow, while she's circling high above, a drop ship rams into her and turns her into splatter.

Half apparating is what the death eaters and the OOTP members were doing in the ministry battle. Remember when Tonks was chasing Bellatrix around, Bellatrix was black smoke, Tonks white? Thats half apparating.

Here, I posted this earlier:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appara...d_Disapparition

Apparition and Disapparition
Apparition is a magical form of teleportation, through which a witch or wizard can disappear ("Disapparate"😉 from one location and reappear ("Apparate"😉 in another. It is sometimes accompanied by a distinctive cracking or popping sound, though this is associated with ineptitude rather than success; the most skilled wizards can Apparate "so suddenly and silently" that they seem to have "popped out of the ground" (Dumbledore). The act is also accompanied by a very unpleasant squeezing sensation, as though being sent through a tight rubber tube, according to Harry.

A wizard or witch can use Side-Along Apparition to take others with them during Apparition. Dumbledore uses this on Harry several times, and notably, Harry uses Side-Along Apparition to take the weakened Dumbledore back from the seaside cave containing Voldemort's locket Horcrux. In addition, Dumbledore's phoenix, Fawkes, used Side-Along-Apparition to take Dumbledore with him when avoiding arrest from the Ministry. This suggests that phoenixes, like elves, can teleport anywhere, even in places with Anti-Apparition spells (this is also written in "Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them"😉.

In the "Order of the Phoenix" film, Death Eaters and Order members Apparated and Disapparated in clouds of smoke. Death Eaters would appear and disappear in black smoke, Order members in white. In the movie, both sides also seemed to be able to "half-apparate" in which their bodies were made out of smoke, giving them the ability to fly. This is not canon to the books and probably just used for more cinematic, atmospheric purposes. Interestingly, both times Fred and George apparated and disapparated, they did it with a pop as in the books.

the most skilled wizards can Apparate "so suddenly and silently" that they seem to have "popped out of the ground" (Dumbledore).

Dumbledore's phoenix, Fawkes, used Side-Along-Apparition to take Dumbledore with him when avoiding arrest from the Ministry.

In the "Order of the Phoenix" film, Death Eaters and Order members Apparated and Disapparated in clouds of smoke. Death Eaters would appear and disappear in black smoke, Order members in white. In the movie, both sides also seemed to be able to "half-apparate" in which their bodies were made out of smoke, giving them the ability to fly.

The clones are "Just attacking", remember? They have no idea what an invisibility cloak is, what fiendfyre is, what half apparating is. Voldemort will be invisible, fiendfyre will be cast, it will tear through the Clones like Supermans sperm tears through a condom made of tissue paper. As the fiendfyre burns clone after clone to ashes, the rest are gonna be looking for the source of the fiendfyre. Not finding it, seeing the inextinguishable flames bearing down on them, they will scatter, well trained or not. Scatter away, the flames will find them, the flames will destroy them.

Here, at 1:00, is fiendfyre:

YouTube video

And here, at 4:54 to 6:12, is Half apparating:

YouTube video

Voldemort can control fiendfyre as if it were an extension of himself. The Death eaters can cast fiendfyre too, but since Voldemort can handle the clones, their role will be to take out the vehicles. They apparate behind the clone lines, then half apparate towards the vehicles, casting Dimuendo on the vehicles, making them micro machines or hot wheels, or Wingardium Leviosa, toppling them. Wingardium Leviosa, Everte Statum, Alerte Ascendare or even Levicorpus will work here.

While this is going on, Dumbledore will be half apparating/full apparating around, mopping up the mess. He will help with toppling the vehicles, and take care of any clones that stray from the pack.

As for Anakin, Dumbledore and Snape, and probably a few other well trained teachers, all attack him at once. Sure, Anakin probably senses this and dodges a couple of spells, even takes out a teacher or two, but he WILL be hit by a death spell, he cant dodge them all, you know. Powerful as he is, he can only do so much. If he becomes too much of a problem, have Harry and a few others casting Expelliarmus on him while Dumbledore and the others attack him en horde.

And as I said before, Hermione, circling on a firebolt in the clouds above, has her time turner. If te battle goes wrong (It wont, but just in case), she can turn back time half an hour and give the wizard another chance.

So, Fiendfyre roasts the clones.

Dimuendo, Wingardium Leviosa, Everte Statum, Alerte Ascendare or even Levicorpus takes care of the vehicles.

Dumbledore, Snape and a dozen teachers or so take care of Anakin.

Hogwarts takes little if any damage, all the students inside survive, the wizards take minimum casualties.

BTW: Not sure if one can half apparate and casts spells at the same time, but it doesnt really matter. They land, cast the spell, then take flight again, just as easy, same result.

This is all done without Dementors, innit cool? 😄

It doesnt matter what you post, RJ.

The clones won the original scenario.

The clones won gimped revision 1. RJ's Crying conundrum edition

The clones won gimped revision 2 : RJ's Extra salty tears edition

Now we are in the scenario where you have regimped it AGAIN through Tantrums, walkouts, floods of ghey tears over the destroyed hogwarts..

And the clone side is now totally gimped.

It matters not whether Hogwarts wins now or not, as it would win against an opponent with both hands tied behind his back, his legs both cut off and the mouth gagged by your foul play..

You have single handedly destroyed the thread with you childish screaming, crying and gimping.

Heres the horse you rode in, Gimpboy:

🙂

So, Fiendfyre roasts the clones.

Except that Voldemort will get shot before he does anything. If he apparates, he can no longer control the spell, and it will be easily avoided. If he tries to control it, in 500 clones, one gets lucky. Or Anakin just chokes him from the get-go.

Plus as we can see in your clip, Fiendfyres really slow to take effect. Voldemort would get absolutely owned.

Dimuendo, Wingardium Leviosa, Everte Statum, Alerte Ascendare or even Levicorpus takes care of the vehicles.

And how many of those were used in the movies? Thats right, just one and while its being used, the wizard gets shot. Plus the vehicles won't start miles away from the clones, they'll be backed up.

Dumbledore, Snape and a dozen teachers or so take care of Anakin.

Becuase he's just standing there completely alone and clueless is he? 😬

No, he has 500 clones backing him up. More than enough.

Hogwarts takes little if any damage, all the students inside survive, the wizards take minimum casualties.

No. a frontal assault would be suicidal for the wizards. They stand a far greater chance saying in Hogwarts.

BTW: Not sure if one can half apparate and casts spells at the same time, but it doesnt really matter. They land, cast the spell, then take flight again, just as easy, same result.

You can't cast spells while your smoke, not only is this common sense, but Bellatrix had to reform to kill Sirius, so yeah.

And it won't be like that, the clones will follow the smoke with their scopes, becuase they actually aren't ****ing retarded, and as soon as they 'land', they get shot. Also, alot of the spells your talking about requires time for direction (fiendfyre, leviousa), time that can be used for killing.

It doesnt matter what you post, RJ.

The clones won the original scenario.

The clones won gimped revision 1. RJ's Crying conundrum edition

The clones won gimped revision 2 : RJ's Extra salty tears edition

Now we are in the scenario where you have regimped it AGAIN through Tantrums, walkouts, floods of ghey tears over the destroyed hogwarts..

And the clone side is now totally gimped.

It matters not whether Hogwarts wins now or not, as it would win against an opponent with both hands tied behind his back, his legs both cut off and the mouth gagged by your foul play..

You have single handedly destroyed the thread with you childish screaming, crying and gimping.

It is now utterly worthless.

What an arsehole thing to do.

Actually, we seem to have gone full-circle. The clones are now in the same situation they started in and win just like everyone says at the beggining: with heavy losses but ultimate victory.

Ah then well done to threadstarter....I reread and saw what you mean, thank you, Nep.

Clones Pwn, then.

Massive long range strike pwns Hogwarts, crushing most within, the troops take out the rest. End credits.

Thats still RJ's horse though it shall magically whinny when his gimppowers are activated in future.
And my point about his gimping/ruining of the thread stands though..

Its like the clones have to win against constantly shifting goal posts forever and ever and ever and ever and ever here..

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You want simple? Here's simple:

Voldemort half apparates under Harry's invisibility cloak, the Death eaters half apparate and together they use Fiendfyre to fry the Clones and AT AT's. If fiendfyre doesn't finish off the AT AT's, Dumbledore apparates behind them, wingardium leviosa's them, and tips them over.

Hermione has her time turner and is circling high above on a thestral. If the battle goes wrong, she merely turns time back half an hour, and the battle can be fought over and over.

half apparates works, i guess - but if anakin senses them, you know jedi reflexs and all, then it'll be over. but that's a good one, a very very good one. that gives them a chance to plow down lots of clones.

while they're doing that, lotsa kids would die, though. and probably a few teachers. the clones still has a chance, especially with the at te's around.

dumbledore apparating still doesn't work - while he tips over the AT TE's he could get shot.

the time turner could only be turned per hour, but that doesn't matter, lol - it depends, though, in what year Harry and Hermione and Co. are in, because Hermione loses said time-turner at the end of Prisoner of Azkaban, and no known people has it in Hogwarts anymore.

So Luminatus, we need to know what year Harry and Co. are in. please answer quick.

*Cue RJ PMs to Lum to get him to set it to the-most-advantageous-to-Hogwarts-date-he-can.*

Oh right, the time-turner.

Wouldn't work, as it was shown in the movie that they couldn't change anything in it. i.e. Harry doing specifically 'what is supposed to happen' with the dementors.

Plus Hermione no longer has the thing in her recent incarnation, which is the one being used here, so it isn't even an issue.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh right, the time-turner.

Wouldn't work, as it was shown in the movie that they couldn't change anything in it. i.e. Harry doing specifically 'what is supposed to happen' with the dementors.

Plus Hermione no longer has the thing in her recent incarnation, which is the one being used here, so it isn't even an issue.

ah, I didn't know that! point!

what recent incarnation are we using, anyway? it wasn't really specified.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Except that Voldemort will get shot before he does anything. If he apparates, he can no longer control the spell, and it will be easily avoided. If he tries to control it, in 500 clones, one gets lucky. Or Anakin just chokes him from the get-go.

Plus as we can see in your clip, Fiendfyres really slow to take effect. Voldemort would get absolutely owned.

And how many of those were used in the movies? Thats right, just one and while its being used, the wizard gets shot. Plus the vehicles won't start miles away from the clones, they'll be backed up.

Becuase he's just standing there completely alone and clueless is he? 😬

No, he has 500 clones backing him up. More than enough.

No. a frontal assault would be suicidal for the wizards. They stand a far greater chance saying in Hogwarts.

You can't cast spells while your smoke, not only is this common sense, but Bellatrix had to reform to kill Sirius, so yeah.

And it won't be like that, the clones will follow the smoke with their scopes, becuase they actually aren't ****ing retarded, and as soon as they 'land', they get shot. Also, alot of the spells your talking about requires time for direction (fiendfyre, leviousa), time that can be used for killing.

Wait, no you dont, the wizards will just straight up apparate. No smoke, instantaneous, like shown in OOTP.

Actually, we seem to have gone full-circle. The clones are now in the same situation they started in and win just like everyone says at the beggining: with heavy losses but ultimate victory.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
It doesnt matter what you post, RJ.

The clones won the original scenario.

The clones won gimped revision 1. RJ's Crying conundrum edition

The clones won gimped revision 2 : RJ's Extra salty tears edition

Now we are in the scenario where you have regimped it AGAIN through Tantrums, walkouts, floods of ghey tears over the destroyed hogwarts..

And the clone side is now totally gimped.

It matters not whether Hogwarts wins now or not, as it would win against an opponent with both hands tied behind his back, his legs both cut off and the mouth gagged by your foul play..

You have single handedly destroyed the thread with you childish screaming, crying and gimping.

Does your mum know you post pics of her online?

..surrounding clones can follow the line of the fiendfyre and shoot in that general direction. they have excellent reflexes, and if not, they would probably watch out for that same trick again and can caught voldy at his second burst.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh right, the time-turner.

Wouldn't work, as it was shown in the movie that they couldn't change anything in it. i.e. Harry doing specifically 'what is supposed to happen' with the dementors.

Plus Hermione no longer has the thing in her recent incarnation, which is the one being used here, so it isn't even an issue.

Really all they would need to do, with two hours prep time, is apparate all the kids away to a safe location, leave Voldemort with Harry's invisibility cloak, and he solos.

Tell me how the Clones deal with this: Voldemort has a vantage point a good ways away from the action. He sees the clones and their vehicles, casts fiendfyre, and, as it makes it's way towards the clones, he strolls away to another vantage point, away from where the fiendfyre started, just in case the clones fire at where the fire begins.

Anakin? If he escapes the fiendfyre or senses Voldemort? Well, the death eaters apparate back, surround him, death spell him. Yes, he will sense this too, but what's he gonna do as ten death eaters simultaneously cast death spells at him? Die.

Now, as the fiendfyre blazes a path of destruction at them, surely they will fire at it's source, where the gorund is on fire, but Voldemort will no longer be there. He will be invisible and controlling the fiendfyre as he wishes. It will turn the troopers to ash, and will set the walkers ablaze. At that point, it's only a matter on seconds before the troopers inside the walkers and vehicles bail out. Voldemort then directs the fiendfyre at them, roast them, then the battle is over.

They never see him, all they see is fiendfyre, and they have literally no defense against it.

That said and done, the wizards and students return, and it's business as usual for the wizards.

How's that for a slice of fried gold?

Originally posted by Jaeh.is.Awesome
..surrounding clones can follow the line of the fiendfyre and shoot in that general direction. they have excellent reflexes, and if not, they would probably watch out for that same trick again and can caught voldy at his second burst.

DUDE! there's the simple thing! Apparate Everyone! if they do that well... then the clones can't do anything. or.. well, portkeys. use portkeys.

I still say voldy dies that way, but meh, doesn't matter. they win because the clones can't kill people who are not there.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Does your mum know you post pics of her online?

See PM. C**t.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
See PM. C**t.

Now lets move on...

what shall we move on to? RJ killed the thread.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Agreed, the wizards woudnt even need it.

Really all they would need to do, with two hours prep time, is apparate all the kids away to a safe location, leave Voldemort with Harry's invisibility cloak, and he solos.

Tell me how the Clones deal with this: Voldemort has a vantage point a good ways away from the action. He sees the clones and their vehicles, casts fiendfyre, and, as it makes it's way towards the clones, he strolls away to another vantage point, away from where the fiendfyre started, just in case the clones fire at where the fire begins.

Anakin? If he escapes the fiendfyre or senses Voldemort? Well, the death eaters apparate back, surround him, death spell him. Yes, he will sense this too, but what's he gonna do as ten death eaters simultaneously cast death spells at him? Die.

Now, as the fiendfyre blazes a path of destruction at them, surely they will fire at it's source, where the gorund is on fire, but Voldemort will no longer be there. He will be invisible and controlling the fiendfyre as he wishes. It will turn the troopers to ash, and will set the walkers ablaze. At that point, it's only a matter on seconds before the troopers inside the walkers and vehicles bail out. Voldemort then directs the fiendfyre at them, roast them, then the battle is over.

They never see him, all they see is fiendfyre, and they have literally no defense against it.

That said and done, the wizards and students return, and it's business as usual for the wizards.

How's that for a slice of fried gold?

killed it by apparating - or, portkeying.... evacuating everyone out of hogwarts. with no one to kill, the clones' mission is null, so... \

killed the thread.