Originally posted by jaden101
The problem with this debate is there's no consistency with the 501st...odd given that they're meant to be clones and equally trained...Ki Adi Mundi and Aayla Secura got their ass kicked by 4 or 5 of them yet a young padawan kicked a few of their asses before getting killed.
While Mr. Conehead wasn't caught completely unaware, that kid did surprise them and for all we know, he could have been made of pure medichlorians.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
How do you know its NOT made of rubber? Hmm?
By the same logic, how do you know that Hogwarts' Magic will even affect the troops and especially the Jedi..
Cause Anakin could just force crush the throats of whomever is trying to utter a spell. And he would be able to sense them too and shit.
Not to mention the Jedi mind trick tricking Wizards into spelling on other wizards.... so much that you havent considered, by the position of your argument.
Originally posted by WO Polaski
ki-adi-mundi had been fighting in a battle for who knows how long. he had smudge and battlescars on him as well if i remember right. he could have been fighting for hours or even days before they attacked him.
Speculation...
in addition zet jukassa ( i think thats the padawans name) Was about 3 feet tall and was in the center mass of the clone squad meaning they couldnt shoot without worrying about friendly fire. it was a bad position for the clones there.
I could see that being valid if he was surrounded but weren't they only on 1 side of him when he charged them but after his initial attack?...Granted he did take them by surprise but he still gave a better showing of himself than Jedi masters did and they're the ones who are supposed to have precog abilities.
I just thought that aspect of it was a bit...odd.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Same old shit, when painted into a corner, its fanboy this, fanboy that. Funny coming from you, Mrs. McClane, calling someone else a fanboy.
But the McClane thing, when in fanboy mode, is just irony steeped.
It sardonically comments on the attitudes of fanboys like you. 🙂
And the fanboy thing is worthy of mention here, as you had pretended to be a casual 'seen a couple of the movies once' type person.
Originally posted by jaden101
Speculation...
so...?
I could see that being valid if he was surrounded but weren't they only on 1 side of him when he charged them but after his initial attack?...Granted he did take them by surprise but he still gave a better showing of himself than Jedi masters did and they're the ones who are supposed to have precog abilities.
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they all have precog abilities. padawans and masters alike masters just have more honed cognitive skillz.
and to be frank it doesnt seem odd to me at all.
the padawan used the element of surprise to to get himself into a superior position, a position where it is actually nearly impossible for the clones to win the scenario. thus he fared well.
ki-adi-mundi had been fighting in a battle and was betrayed by his own soldiers, right before hand he led a charge, meaning he was at optimal range against the troopers AND had to worry about the droids still shooting at his back. he had unwillingly maneuvered himself into a position where it would have been impossible for him to win in that scenario without random luck.
Originally posted by WO Polaski
thats because youre not thinking about it clearly. youre a former soldier arent you?
I've done military service but not as a front line soldier...
I guess i'm simplifying a more complex set of circumstances but my point is that youngsters with relatively little training can decimate a decent amount of clone troops. I'm sure you can see how that's applicable.
Originally posted by jaden101
Speculation...I could see that being valid if he was surrounded but weren't they only on 1 side of him when he charged them but after his initial attack?...Granted he did take them by surprise but he still gave a better showing of himself than Jedi masters did and they're the ones who are supposed to have precog abilities.
I just thought that aspect of it was a bit...odd.
To be fair, If Anakin had seen him before that event, he'd probably've been dead.
And the kid was successful 'cause he started hacking and slashing right away. Probably takes longer to get a spell out than to attack with a sabre. To be killed a mere moment later. He only killed like 3.
Originally posted by jaden101
I've done military service but not as a front line soldier...I guess i'm simplifying a more complex set of circumstances but my point is that youngsters with relatively little training can decimate a decent amount of clone troops. I'm sure you can see how that's applicable.
i agree with you to an extent. theres a reason why palpatine sent over 9000 troops to kill around a hundred people... thats essentially 90 clones per jedi that includes padawans and younglings.
Well depending on the particular Jedi, there tier level, skill set, and there lightsaber combat form, yes, they could decimate Troopers. Especially if were taslking about Kenobi or Luminara who are both Soresu practitioners. Or of course one of the top tier Jedi in Yoda, Mace, and throw in Anakin.
But if it's your average Jedi and there surrounded by blasters there likely not going to block all of them.
For example, Jango Fett has killed many Jedi and he's only one man.
Whatever the case, this thread is about possible ways one side can defeat the other, right? Weeeeeeellllllll:
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Just saying, Hogwarts at it full might, with every possible weapon being used is far too much for the clones at their full might.Here's a scenario for you....
The ground/surrounding forest outside Hogwarts is turned into one giant portkey by making portkeys out of rocks, trees, and other objects. Hell, even the doors to hogwarts and the walls are made into portkeys. To gain access to the castle, or to even venture within firing range of the castle, one MUST venture across these portkeys. The apparating wizards apparate away and side apparate away the younger wizards and LOL as one by one the clones and all their vehicles are portkeyed to the middle of the ocean. Blub blub blub. Say hello to Davy Jones.
Suck on that.
Counter?
Also, if we are going by the movies, how will the Clones SEE Hogwarts? How will the star destroyers TARGET it? Cant hit what you cant see. The entire Clone army are basically muggles, and Hogwarts cannot be seen by muggles. So yeah, that literally buries any chance of the Clones bombarding Hogwarts from high orbit.
Hogwarts is protected by magical enchantments and cannot be seen by Muggles. This is a movie fact and can in no way be disputed. Nor can it be disputed that Clone troopers would be resistant to portkeys.
So, in closing, Hogwarts is protected without the wizards lifting a finger.
Laying waste to the whole area, would sort it.
Therefore, in closing, the wizards would have there fingers lifeted for them,along with other body parts, as they are cleared away via a bucket.
Jedi might not be muggles.
Also, by the same token, how are the Wizards gonna get the Clones without the Clones being drawn by knowing where Hogwarts is..?
Your gimpage is illogical.
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthYou mean lay waste to the entire planet? Because the clones would have no clue where Hogwarts is. Last time I checked, the clones did not possess a weapon capable of destroying entire worlds.
Laying waste to the whole area, would sort it.
Therefore, in closing, the wizards would have there fingers lifeted for them,along with other body parts, as they are cleared away via a bucket.Jedi might not be muggles.
Also, by the same token, how are the Wizards gonna get the Clones without the Clones being drawn by knowing where Hogwarts is..?
Your gimpage is illogical.
How are the Jedi gonna get the clones? Dude....
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Just saying, Hogwarts at it full might, with every possible weapon being used is far too much for the clones at their full might.Here's a scenario for you....
The ground/surrounding forest outside Hogwarts is turned into one giant portkey by making portkeys out of rocks, trees, and other objects. Hell, even the doors to hogwarts and the walls are made into portkeys. To gain access to the castle, or to even venture within firing range of the castle, one MUST venture across these portkeys. The apparating wizards apparate away and side apparate away the younger wizards and LOL as one by one the clones and all their vehicles are portkeyed to the middle of the ocean. Blub blub blub. Say hello to Davy Jones.
Suck on that.
Pay attention, man. And before you dispute this, lookie:
http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Portkey
Portkey is an object enchanted to bring anyone who touches it to a specific location. Most of the time, a Portkey is an everyday object that would not draw the attention of a Muggle. Travelling by Portkey is said to feel like having a hook "somewhere behind the navel" pulling the traveller to their location.
http://harrypotter.wikia.com/index.php?title=Portus&redirect=no
[i]Portus (POR-tus) is the spell used to turn an ordinary object into a Portkey.
Albus Dumbledore used this spell to transport Harry Potter and the Weasley family to Number Twelve, Grimmauld Place after Arthur Weasley was attacked in the Department of Mysteries. [/b][/quote]
And
http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Engorgio
The Engorgement Charm (Engorgio) causes the target to swell in size. It was first mentioned by Hermione in 1992, where she suspected Hagrid's pumpkins had been under magical "influence."
The latter I listed because Dumbledore could Engorgio a large object and make it swell in size, making an even bigger portkey.