Originally posted by bayhunter12
my bad, i really have limted knowledge on him. any idea where i could get some valid information on him.
I'd like to see some more proof that Yoda would actually win. From what Gideon, the only person to provide much of anything, provided, I'd have to say Caedus stands a chance of winning more often than not. I may go further into this if there's some more serious discussion.
So, after this post, let's try to throw out some substance to back up our opinions. If you think Yoda wins, what makes him more powerful or a more skilled duelist? Is it his experience or his technical prowess? Is it his command of the Force or does he have more raw power than Caedus? And what, exactly, supports that? Likewise for if you believe Caedus would win. Things like that are essential in supporting your opinion on who's better.
Yoda may win but some of your reasons are wrong.
Originally posted by bayhunter12
3. he has far more talent with a saber
He doesn't have "far more talent with a saber" by any means at all Jacen/Caedus's saber feats are easily in the same league as Yoda's.
4. he has more raw force power
Jacen, is of the skywalker bloodline which descends from the force, I would argue that he has more raw power (not mastery) then Yoda. He died at the age of 31 or 32 he was still pretty young, if he lived longer i could see him surpassing Sidious.
5. if he can stand up to sidious he can stand up to caedus
my original points never were contested because lucian and I ended up going off on a tangent. so ill just repeat it and see if anyone
cares to discuss it.
ive mentally long since moved on from this particular topic though... so im not really all that interested in getting into a grand debate about it.
out of all of the arguments ive seen in yodas defense i havent seen anyone put any consideration into the setting of the fight or the intelligence and personalities of the characters. no one has seriously responded to the fact that caedus:has a reach advantage
strength advantage
possible situational awareness/situational adaptivity (thats a word?) advantage
has a setting that provides him with a terrain advantage
just because there are quotes showing that yoda has beaten people with similar advantages does not mean he can do it every time to anyone. that just seems like a really boring and lazy way to "debate". any yahoo can copy and paste text from a source book. wheres the critical thinking? im just gonna repeat my earlier and add some stuff:
from a dueling perspective the location of the fight can make or break yodas offensive capabilities. if caedus can bring the fight into a cramped area such as a corridor that will severely limit yodas maneuverability options, which kind of makes up the crux of his lightsaber technique. in a hallway hed essentially be forced to fight at caedus' pace. so with the setting in mind id be willing to give the slight majority to caedus.
in addition from a force perspective when has yoda ever disabled another force user utterly with one force attack? can he as a lightside user even do that in a fight? id expect dooku to drop someone to their knees with a gesture because hes evil. yoda on the other hand has a certain sense of nobility and i dont think hed ever use his powers offensively in that way. the closest thing i can recall him doing that in was the force push against sideous.
so theres my argument with the limited knowledge i have of the characters. to repeat myself, with the above factors in mind id give caedus the majority in a fight due to the setting. [/B]
Originally posted by Advent
I'd like to see some more proof that Yoda would actually win. From what Gideon, the only person to provide much of anything, provided, I'd have to say Caedus stands a chance of winning more often than not. I may go further into this if there's some more serious discussion.So, after this post, let's try to throw out some substance to back up our opinions. If you think Yoda wins, what makes him more powerful or a more skilled duelist? Is it his experience or his technical prowess? Is it his command of the Force or does he have more raw power than Caedus? And what, exactly, supports that? Likewise for if you believe Caedus would win. Things like that are essential in supporting your opinion on who's better.
o say Caedus was lucky against Luke is an understatement. He fought against an opponent with injuries he exploited and weakened almost immediately while he (Caedus) only got stronger with each and every injury he suffered and he lost twice over. Hell, he admitted if not for Ben's intervention twice over he would've died.
Yoda? Yoda was superior in his day to people like Mace Windu and Count Dooku, where he was able to take the latter on Vjun of all places. Speed? At what point has Caedus displayed skill or speed to Yoda;'s level? Yoda was arguably superior to someone who cut down three celebrated sword masters before they could defend themselves.
Yoda takes Caedus more often than not. At what point did his acrobatics and speed somehow become a liability?
Originally posted by Elite HunterJacen, is of the skywalker bloodline which descends from the force, I would argue that he has more raw power (not mastery) then Yoda. He died at the age of 31 or 32 he was still pretty young, if he lived longer i could see him surpassing Sidious.
More raw power is debatable. Jacen is both the winner and loser of what you guys call CIS. He either gets destroyed by Luke with no visible effort, or he puts up one hell of a fight. Therefore it's very difficult to say Jacen rivals Yoda in any way and has a chance of surpassing Sidious if he only lived longer.
Originally posted by xxxpoppunker182
After 6 years here I think I need to move on to a different star wars forum. Any suggestions?
I would try Janus's forum, if I were you. And avoid any Versus forum. This is probably the most enlightened one on the internet, and that's not saying much.
Not that it matters, since as of 2 am local time this morning, the Versus forum has been officially defeated.
Originally posted by Gideon
I would try Janus's forum, if I were you. And avoid any Versus forum. This is probably the most enlightened one on the internet, and that's not saying much.Not that it matters, since as of 2 am local time this morning, the Versus forum has been officially defeated.
could you send me a link please.