Originally posted by Advent
The setting of Alto City would be much more open than Sidious' chambers. This would allow for better usage of Force powers, which might shift the balance in Sidious' favor if he dueled Mace Windu.Anymore thoughts?
No. It doesn't change anything.
a)
RotS (especially the commentary) makes it pretty clear that Sidious was hitting Mace with a full powered barrage of force lightning, meaning he couldn't have done anything worse to Windu and, even if he could kept up the lightning for a longer time period, Windu would still have overpowered him in the end.
b)
If you want to have more focus on a force fight, Dooku and Mace will even defeat the opposing duo more easily than in lightsaber combat. Both Mace and Dooku are rather capable to hold their own against Sidious for a brief amount of time in force combat (at least as long as they have their lightsaber in hand), and whoever is left, would be able to destroy Maul, with Dooku probably able to utterly destroy Maul in seconds using his force abilities.
Conclusion:
Maul is definetly the weak link in this fight, because he wouldn't be able to overcome Mace or Dooku. Dooku could destroy him within seconds using his - obviously - superior command of the force. Mace would also defeat him in a lightsaber duel, giving his duelling skill and his special abilities (Vaapad, Shatterpoint). In the worst case for Dooku and Mace, Sidious fights Dooku (and eventually overcomes him) - but not faster than Mace would deal with Maul, which would lead to Mace VS Sidious reloaded. And we all know how that would end. Although I find it more likely that this confrontation will end with Mace and Dooku double-teaming Sidious.
RotS (especially the commentary) makes it pretty clear that Sidious was hitting Mace with a full powered barrage of force lightning, meaning he couldn't have done anything worse to Windu and, even if he could kept up the lightning for a longer time period, Windu would still have overpowered him in the end.
No, GL says Sidious was pretending to be weak and lose his power. The whole "i'm weak" part was all fake. Windu however was actually struggling with the lightning. So it seem more likely that if Sidious continued the attack, Windu would have been the one to get overpowered.
I haven't looked at most of the arguments, but team B wins:
Mace beats Sidious
Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu_XLDlDWLQ
Tyrannus beats Maul
Evidence: In my ROTS Obi Wan vs Maul thread, almost everyone agreed that ROTS Obi Wan wins...and yet he gets pwned by Dooku (*waits for "that's ABC" rant*)
Conclusion: Even if statement 2 is false, Dooku could at least hold Maul while Mace Windu beats Sidious
Although Team A might just get lucky.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
So you mean to tell me if Anakin would not of walked in that Sidious would have just layed there and allowed Windu to kill him?Come on now. lol
Windu did not win an all out fight. Sidious gave up to play the weak role.
I direct you again to the above video, where Mace beats Sidious.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I know you're not that simple minded. Listen to the commentary by Lucas.
Are you sure you want me to do that, because Lucas said Sidious got overpowered. So yes, if Anakin didn't walk in, Mace would have killed them. However, Mace CANT kill him because he's not the chosen one and therefore, he can't bring balance to the force. Man I hate George Lucas.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Are you sure you want me to do that, because Lucas said Sidious got overpowered. So yes, if Anakin didn't walk in, Mace would have killed them. However, Mace CANT kill him because he's not the chosen one and therefore, he can't bring balance to the force. Man I hate George Lucas.
Lucas was refering to the saber duel.
Yeah, Sidious don't have lightning at his disposal, or any other force attacks. Once he is disarmed its over with.
little old i know, but i was just thinking... If mace disarmed Sidious in the one on one, don't most fights where someone gets disarmed, they also lose an arm when it happens? And doesn't that first mistake with a saber usually lead to immediate dismemberment or worse?
If so, in ROTS, sidious actually got lucky that Mace disarmed him in the way he did, because 7 times out of 10, that "disarming" stroke would have killed sidious, or at least incapacitated him.