Originally posted by Slash_KMC
He wasn't, read the novelization.
So Sidious allowed himself to be disarmed by Yoda too? Because he didn't lose a hand there either. [/B]
We don't have any proof that Sidious was actually disarmed against Yoda. He may have just distanced himself from Yoda in order to use the force.
Originally posted by truejediPIS. If Palpatine was conveniently missing an arm in RotJ, it would have fir in. He's gotta be one of the few people in Star Wars who loses his lightsaber due to be kicked.
little old i know, but i was just thinking... If mace disarmed Sidious in the one on one, don't most fights where someone gets disarmed, they also lose an arm when it happens? And doesn't that first mistake with a saber usually lead to immediate dismemberment or worse?If so, in ROTS, sidious actually got lucky that Mace disarmed him in the way he did, because 7 times out of 10, that "disarming" stroke would have killed sidious, or at least incapacitated him.
so... Lucien, you have made my point for me. The kick thing is PIS. So, this means that if Mace and Sids fought,(and it is widely agreed that mace wins the saber battle) then Mace would kill or severaly hurt sidious when he beats him in the saber battle, leaving no room for the force battle that we always assume follows their saber battle for whatever reason.
That duel played out exactly as we set up our versus threads. There was a complete saber duel, and then a complete Force duel (albeit a lightsaber was used as something of a breaker). Mace defeated Palpatine in saber thanks to Vaapad, but when Palpatine went all out Force-attack, he would have killed Mace had Anakin not PISd all over the scene.
I think this will go to Maul and Sidious. Think about it.
Mace Windu is really strong, and I'm mean really strong, but Sidious probably faked his defeat to turn Anakin to Dark Side. I do know that Tyranus is more powerful than Maul, but it wouldn't be an intense wipe out.
Sidious and Maul are awesome at Juyo, and they'd generate too much kinetic energy for Dooku's Makashi to handle. As for Windu and his Vaapad, Maul and Sidious together would be powerful enough to defeat him.
Originally posted by truejediI don't think so. After immersing himself in to Vaapad and forming the superconducting loop, Mace was millimeters away from death by his own lightsaber being bent backwards by Sidious' Lightning. If Sidious had unleashed that fury at the beginning of the duel, without letting Mace immerse himself...
I think so. The lightsaber is the difference. Yoda didn't use a lightsaber to block the lightning, he was using his hands. Either way, its obviously an opinion... but i think yeah, he could withstand that lightning with his saber at the beginning, or at the end.
I think that Mace and Dooku would eventually win.
However I don't think that Dooku would have been able to take sidious in a saber fight. Stand his own?... maybe, but just maybe
never the less mace would probably defeat maul in time to save dooku from being fried. TEAM MACE/DOOKU wins as far as i can see.
maybe I can't see far enough though...?
Maul and Mace would be an interesting fight. Both of them are "high end masters of multiple forms" with powerful physiques and a propensity for ruthless combat; for all of Mace's seemingly considerable understanding of martial arts, it's abundantly clear that Maul is the superior combatant in terms of unarmed and melee combat and physical conditioning. Maul, when tapping into his rage, was able to challenge and [nearly?] overcome Darth Sidious in combat, just like Mace.