Black Panther (T'Challa) vs. Elektra

Originally posted by jinzin
She's a chi amper/manipulator... That's how. 😐

It's hard to believe that every time she's done anything remotely impressive it's a result of TP even though it was never stated in the books or even suggested...

Now look, I get it, BP's another black character so you want to go to any and all lengths to keep his name from getting dragged through the mud, but at some point you have to realize that the arguments you're making are just falling flat on their collective ass... everything from arbitrarily deciding that imperfects was non-canon in spite of no proof to support it, to deciding that Elektra's used TP when it wasn't even stated.. All of this just demonstrates how desperate you are to discredit her ability on the field. What's worse, I fear this is all just in response to your agenda in the Elektra/Blade thread from like a year ago, because you were pullin' the same crap then too.

At the end of the day you have to understand how CONVENIENT an argument it is to say that Elektra uses Tp to do her impressive feats.. It would make her the most ambiguous tp user in the books which is odd since most writers feel it pertenent to imply when PSY talents are using their powers... which come to think of it, MILLER ALSO DID... yes quite convenient for him to simply toss that to the wind and forget to mention she used it later on when he had her doing crazy crap.

first thing, I never said her impressive feat are a result of her TP, but on many occasions she has used it in fights, and in plenty of her fights she makes it apparent that she is using her TP to gain the edge on her opponent, just because it isn't always stated doesn't mean that she isn't using her TP on TOP of her natural abilities.

Also what evidence is their to support the imperfects being canon? You brought up a wiki article that didn't state the imperfects as canon...

probably the fact that the storyline was written in comic form. although not sure which came out 1st since i dont keep up with such things. perhaps the game was done to match the storyline in a canon story. kinda like the civil war marvel game.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
probably the fact that the storyline was written in comic form. although not sure which came out 1st since i dont keep up with such things. perhaps the game was done to match the storyline in a canon story. kinda like the civil war marvel game.

Originally posted by Trackz
these characters haven't been stated to be canon...the events happening in the game have never been referenced

Again, does that mean The Shredder wasn't canon? Where does a mini need to be referenced as canon to make it canonical? I don't remember 6 hours ever being referenced again, must hot have happened. 🙄

Have you even read ONE write up for the game, ONE interview?

Go look it up, seriously, almost every. single. one. makes a reference to the fact that Marvel and EA were attempting to establish the imperfects as canon characters.
The comic books came out BEFORE the game, the game was coat-tailing off the books.

It was canon and meant to be as much, get over it.

Originally posted by jinzin
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Again, does that mean The Shredder wasn't canon? Where does a mini need to be referenced as canon to make it canonical? I don't remember 6 hours ever being referenced again, must hot have happened. 🙄

Have you even read ONE write up for the game, ONE interview?

Go look it up, seriously, almost every. single. one. makes a reference to the fact that Marvel and EA were attempting to establish the imperfects as canon characters.
The comic books came out BEFORE the game, the game was coat-tailing off the books.

It was canon and meant to be as much, get over it.

Originally posted by Trackz
first thing, I never said her impressive feat are a result of her TP, but on many occasions she has used it in fights,

In terms of her speed? Not so much, she's fast as hell and has always been that way.

Originally posted by Trackz
and in plenty of her fights she makes it apparent that she is using her TP to gain the edge on her opponent,

Originally posted by Trackz
just because it isn't always stated doesn't mean that she isn't using her TP on TOP of her natural abilities.

I can show plenty examples of Elektra's speed being referenced or shown or PROVEN..

How many can you show where her displays of speed weren't actually speed at all?

Originally posted by Trackz
Also what evidence is their to support the imperfects being canon? You brought up a wiki article that didn't state the imperfects as canon...

Again... look up ANY SOURCE ON THIS MATERIAL. 😐

Stop giving me these pathetic nu'uh rebuttles and give me some proof to your claims. ANY of them.

Originally posted by Trackz
no the comic was used to promote the videogame, that's a fact. THe question is whether or not promotional comics used t orepresent non-canon stories (in the video game) are canon, heck the characters are only partially owned by marvel, if at all, and the event which was a nation wide crisis, has never been referenced since.

The game and comics were seperate entities. 😕

And WTF? Even so, when's the last time someone's referenced Infinity Gauntlet, The Phalanx Saga, or the Clone Saga? Hasn't been in years, must not have happened... 🙄

I'd give a majority to T'Challa, though Elektra is the better martial artist.

Originally posted by jinzin
The game and comics were seperate entities. 😕

And WTF? Even so, when's the last time someone's referenced Infinity Gauntlet, The Phalanx Saga, or the Clone Saga? Hasn't been in years, must not have happened... 🙄

those events occured years ago, while this occured around the same time as civil war and their have been references to all of those recent events as of late, heck there is a reference to civil war in the next captain america, yet this event which was a nation wide alien attack similar to the skrull invasion, which had heroes captured and fighting against each other isn't referenced once?

Originally posted by Trackz
it was a crossover wit hcharacters not owned by marvel, the comic books were used to PROMOTE the game, that is why they came out before, the character's aren't owned by marvel. the events in the game which were a nation-wide crisis haven't been referenced, the game ends with the imperfects as heroes, but they haven't been seen since...almost like the entire event never happened, and just because there is the possibility they wanted to make it canon, doesn't mean they did. Ypu still haven't found solid evidence that the game is canon...

They were going to be before Marvel decided to pull the plug on their business partnership w/EA.

I don't have to find evidence that the game is canon, I never made that claim chuckles, the comics are and that was the point.
Whether it was used to promote the game or not is irrelivent. The events and characters used in the mini series were used under the intention of being canon events using canon characters and your constant defection to "nu-uh" doesn't change the validity of the battles that took place under those intentions.

The children of the vault haven't been referenced since their arc ended in New X-men... Not being referened doesn't preclude something from being canon... Cable/Wolverine one shot for example... It's ridiculous to pretend otherwise...

And this WHOLE defection you made is nothing but a tangent anyways as Elektra's also handled Wolverine in Redeemer and did it better than in Imperfects. 😬

Now:
YOU need to find me clear proof that the COMICS aren't canon since that's your claim. But, considering that the comics were created with that intention it's going to be hard to do. Good luck.

Originally posted by jinzin
They were going to be before Marvel decided to pull the plug on their business partnership w/EA.

I don't have to find evidence that the game is canon, I never made that claim chuckles, the comics are and that was the point.
Whether it was used to promote the game or not is irrelivent. The events and characters used in the mini series were used under the intention of being canon events using canon characters and your constant defection to "nu-uh" doesn't change the validity of the battles that took place under those intentions.

The children of the vault haven't been referenced since their arc ended in New X-men... Not being referened doesn't preclude something from being canon... Cable/Wolverine one shot for example... It's ridiculous to pretend otherwise...

And this WHOLE defection you made is nothing but a tangent anyways as Elektra's also handled Wolverine in Redeemer and did it better than in Imperfects. 😬

Now:
YOU need to find me clear proof that the COMICS aren't canon since that's your claim. But, considering that the comics were created with that intention it's going to be hard to do. Good luck.

I don't need to prove the comic isn't caon, the characters in the comic don't belong to marvel and the events i nthe game NEVER happened in the marvel universe....it was a promotional comic, similar to the halo comics, which aren't canon to the marvel universe either.

Originally posted by Trackz
no they weren't, the comics provided the back story for what was happening in the games, it gave the story for how paragon was acquired

Originally posted by Trackz
those events occured years ago, while this occured around the same time as civil war and their have been references to all of those recent events as of late, heck there is a reference to civil war in the next captain america, yet this event which was a nation wide alien attack similar to the skrull invasion, which had heroes captured and fighting against each other isn't referenced once?

Again, a mini doesn't have to be referenced to make it canon. 😐

Originally posted by Trackz
I don't need to prove the comic isn't caon, the characters in the comic don't belong to marvel and the events i nthe game NEVER happened in the marvel universe....it was a promotional comic, similar to the halo comics, which aren't canon to the marvel universe either.

And: 🤨
Halo comics don't use canon Marvel character with the intention of being turned into canon Marvel events..

Originally posted by jinzin
You most certainly do.
Especially considering that the EA characters were co-owned by Marvel and intended for 616 continuity use.. You seriously need to read up on this instead of just nay-saying what you don't like just because it puts Black Panther in jeopardy... Now back your claims or stop making them.

And: 🤨
Halo comics don't use canon Marvel character with the intention of being turned into canon Marvel events..

Originally posted by jinzin
Uh, yeah they were.. which is why it's stated to contradict one another... 😐

You're talking about the game not the comics...

Again, a mini doesn't have to be referenced to make it canon. 😐

Originally posted by Trackz
Key word, intended, which means they weren't. They may have intended it to be canon, it wasn't though,

based on WHAT other than your insistance that it wasn't?

This would be akin to someone claiming that the Ultimate Wolverine vs. Hulk issues didn't happen because they never got finished (well before they finally were anyhow)

Originally posted by Trackz
seeing as once again the events didn't effect the mainstream marvel universe

Originally posted by Trackz
and the imperfects were were set on becoming heroes at the end of the game (and had the abilities to match marvels top heroes) were never heard or seen again.

Originally posted by Trackz
Nu-UH!

Originally posted by jinzin
based on WHAT other than your insistance that it wasn't?

This would be akin to someone claiming that the Ultimate Wolverine vs. Hulk issues didn't happen because they never got finished (well before they finally were anyhow)
You're talking about the game again.

Children of the Vault. Nuff said.

have you found an interview stating these games were canon?

a comic that provides a back story for a non-canon story, would in turn be non-canon...

the game references elements of the comic, the comic leads up to the game both are connected. The game has never been stated by marvel to be a canon story nor does marvel even have complete ownership of the characters in the game.

Originally posted by Trackz
I'm talking about the game because the comics were the back story FOR the game.

have you found an interview stating these games were canon?

a comic that provides a back story for a non-canon story, would in turn be non-canon...

the game references elements of the comic, the comic leads up to the game both are connected. The game has never been stated by marvel to be a canon story nor does marvel even have complete ownership of the characters in the game.

The comics have direct contradictions with the game. the game is not the same as the comics, and certainly not because they tell you to buy the game.

Like I said, look it up, almost EVERY source will show you that the imperfects comics are in marvel continuity, regardless if they had a mass effect. 😐

Again, you can't just arbitrarily DECIDE somethings not canon simply because it suits you. If you think otherwise, please prove it.

Originally posted by jinzin
The comics have direct contradictions with the game. the game is not the same as the comics, and certainly not because they tell you to buy the game.

Like I said, look it up, almost EVERY source will show you that the imperfects comics are in marvel continuity, regardless if they had a mass effect. 😐

Again, you can't just arbitrarily DECIDE somethings not canon simply because it suits you. If you think otherwise, please prove it.