Originally posted by Enyalus
Check the edit.Also, lol @ Tyrant quoting the Bhagavad Gita in #2 of second set of scans.
hmm, i don't think i've ever seen the second set of scans before. that does seem to imply it contained knowledge. that doesn't preclude power. your earlier supposition regarding thanos not knowing the globes power had been returned is irrelevent--apparently tyrant's own computer system didn't know it. nor does the fact that he was "reinvigorated" mean all of morg's power was returned to him, which is the impression i was always under.
meh. by that second story, it seems the globe WAS considered knowledge. i still say in the original series the globe DID amp thanos. otherwise the battle doesn't make sense to me at all.
seriously--this is the first blast fron thanos:
http://img32.imageshack.us/i/51057344.jpg/
utterly ineffective.
here he is striving to regain the sphere (for what purpose, why the desperate look?) and the blast THROUGH the sphere that clearly has FAR more effect:
http://img32.imageshack.us/i/60264276.jpg/
without the sphere he was getting wrecked. with it, the battle was nearly even. seems pretty clear the orb amped him.
now, was it retconned? i can concede that . . . but in that original series, it makes no sense that it held ONLY "knowledge."
Originally posted by leonidas
seriously--this is the first blast fron thanos:http://img32.imageshack.us/i/51057344.jpg/
utterly ineffective.
here he is striving to regain the sphere (for what purpose, why the desperate look?) and the blast THROUGH the sphere that clearly has FAR more effect:
http://img32.imageshack.us/i/60264276.jpg/
without the sphere he was getting wrecked. with it, the battle was nearly even. seems pretty clear the orb amped him.
Think about this: earlier in that arc, Morg walked through Thanos's first energy blast. Later on, Thanos one-shots Morg with an energy blast. It makes sense when you consider Thanos wanting to test the limits of his opponent's powers. Once properly gauged, he handles the situation. Same deal with the scans you've posted.
Why did he seem so desperate to have the orb? Because that was the entire purpose of him helping Ganymede and Terrax in the first place. To test himself, and to claim his orb of knowledge for his prize. If you're putting your immortal life on the line to claim one prize, wouldn't you be rather desperate to hang onto it? It isn't anything new for Thanos. Knowledge is power, as he says himself. He went after and claimed possession of the Oracle of Knowledge in Secret Defenders, too. In addition to his multiple trips to the Infinity Well to divine information there, his vast mystic and technological library, etc etc.
It was in character for him to go after it. And like you said, it's pretty clear it contained knowledge and that was it. As for it being a post-retcon....The story you're familiar with took place in Cosmic Powers #6. The scans I posted you hadn't seen were from Cosmic Powere Unlimited #3. Not far apart, time-wise. And they make reference to Thanos' break in and theft during it.
I don't think it was a retcon at all. It was always that way. Especially considering what Thanos says about the orb when he hooks it up to his machines at his home.
Originally posted by EnyalusIn the first scan, as you probably already know but I feel inclined to point out anyway, he was holding the orb, too. And in both scans Thanos's blasts rocked Tyrant backwards (his back arched, etc). In the second scan, Tyrant lets out a noise. That was the only difference. That doesn't necessarily imply that the blast which was through the orb was more powerful because the orb made it that way...
Think about this: earlier in that arc, Morg walked through Thanos's first energy blast. Later on, Thanos one-shots Morg with an energy blast. It makes sense when you consider Thanos wanting to test the limits of his opponent's powers. Once properly gauged, he handles the situation. Same deal with the scans you've posted.
Why did he seem so desperate to have the orb? Because that was the entire purpose of him helping Ganymede and Terrax in the first place. To test himself, and to claim his orb of knowledge for his prize. If you're putting your immortal life on the line to claim one prize, wouldn't you be rather desperate to hang onto it? It isn't anything new for Thanos. Knowledge is power, as he says himself. He went after and claimed possession of the Oracle of Knowledge in Secret Defenders, too. In addition to his multiple trips to the Infinity Well to divine information there, his vast mystic and technological library, etc etc.
It was in character for him to go after it. And like you said, it's pretty clear it contained knowledge and that was it. As for it being a post-retcon....The story you're familiar with took place in Cosmic Powers #6. The scans I posted you hadn't seen were from Cosmic Powere Unlimited #3. Not far apart, time-wise. And they make reference to Thanos' break in and theft during it.
I don't think it was a retcon at all. It was always that way. Especially considering what Thanos says about the orb when he hooks it up to his machines at his home. [/B]
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Originally posted by EnyalusSo if it's knowledge only why did the orb have more of an impact on Tyrant than Thanos's own power and why was he using it in the battle?
As you can see, the scan you posted is the third one in my set of scans. Chronologically prior to that, Tyrant gives Morg back his power. That Thanos apparently falsely believed it held Morg's power initially is irrelevant. Considering in scan #6 of set one, he knows it is knowledge and says as much. The second set of scans just back this point up.EDIT: Links fixed.
From the looks of the fight every painful hit that Thanos hit tyrant was via the orb.
Originally posted by kgkg
So if it's knowledge only why did the orb have more of an impact on Tyrant than Thanos's own power
Originally posted by kgkg
and why was he using it in the battle?
Originally posted by Enyalus From what I saw, it really didn't make much of a difference. He didn't have it at the end right there, yet was able to still physically stalemate Tyrant in their grappling contest.Well ever attack he did was with the orb. It doesn't really matter either way he didn't hurt tyrant much. Thanos ever really statemented him Thanos was in the losing end and was the one Buried and Tyrant was standing like nothing had happened.
Originally posted by Enyalus His suit doesn't have pockets. Where else is he going to keep it safe at?Wait it's safer to use it as a weapon<where it could break, can be stolen> then just hiding it , teleporting it etc?
Originally posted by kgkg
Thanos ever really statemented him Thanos was in the losing end and was the one Buried and Tyrant was standing like nothing had happened.
Originally posted by kgkg
Wait it's safer to use it as a weapon<where it could break, can be stolen> then just hiding it , teleporting it etc?
why bother directing a blast through the orb? and i also said knowledge doesn't preclude it have power as well. i'd always assumed the knowledge was simply the tech it was made of, and the way it was able to store power.
thinking of it as only knowledge weakens the story in my eyes and doesn't fit with what was shown. meh, tyrant always sucked and now apparently even his orbs suck too.
Originally posted by leonidas
why bother directing a blast through the orb?
You and KG are really trying to stretch this. There's clear evidence to show that it is an orb of knowledge. Then there's your speculation that it could have had power in it. 😛
Originally posted by leonidas
thinking of it as only knowledge weakens the story in my eyes and doesn't fit with what was shown. meh, tyrant always sucked and now apparently even his orbs suck too.
Originally posted by EnyalusBecause he had just picked up the orb and it was faster than transferring hands whatwith Tyrant up in his grill?
You and KG are really trying to stretch this. There's clear evidence to show that it is an orb of knowledge. Then there's your speculation that it could have had power in it. 😛
Even Stranger's twin coveted the orb for its knowledge. And Tyrant had thousands of them. That makes Tyrant even more uber, IMO. [/B]
the guy was a creation of galactus, nothing really special. we saw the orb in action--it was a containment vessel for the POWER he literally siphoned out of morg. but now instead of containing morg's power, it holds KNOWLEDGE? 😑
that's among the dumbest things ever. it makes no sense from a plot standpoint. what, did the PC simply convert to this special wisdom? what kind of 'knowledge' could it hold?? way too esoteric, and not really in keeping with the kind of character tyrant was. tyrant was basically a bully. the idea of him hording 'spheres of knowledge' is ridiculous to me. and for what purpose? was he planning on challenging g to an IQ test?
it made much more sense to think of each sphere as holding power he could summon or absorb when needed. at one point i thought he was absorbing power from all the guys who attacked him. i still think the purpose of the spheres changed between those arcs, but it doesn't matter i suppose.
Originally posted by leonidas
the guy was a creation of galactus, nothing really special. we saw the orb in action--it was a containment vessel for the POWER he literally siphoned out of morg. but now instead of containing morg's power, it holds KNOWLEDGE? 😑that's among the dumbest things ever.
Fact: Tyrant drained Morg's Power Cosmic.
Fact: Thanos assumes the orb was holding Morg's power.
Fact: Thanos logically can't know that. He's assuming.
Fact: His assumption is wrong, because prior to retrieving the orb, Tyrant had already restored Morg's power.
Another reason why he's wrong? Look at scan #2. Tyrant revitalizes Morg using the machine-tentacles hooked into him. The orb "supposedly" containing Morg's power was in a completely separate room. Sure, those two could be connected via a really, really long cord or whatever, spanning multiple rooms, etc. But, that's unlikely. And along with the rest of the evidence I provided, it's outright false.
In other news, whereas before I thought that adding in Zoom and his 'hitting harder than Superman' level speed would be enough to do the damage, combined with everyone else, to drop Tyrant...I just remembered that SS bullrush punched Tyrant and literally, it did nothing.
Taking into account KT's one-shot theory, which I agree with...I'll say he stops once Sinestro enters the fray. #13.
Originally posted by Enyalus It would be, if that's what had happened.Fact: Tyrant drained Morg's Power Cosmic.
Fact: Thanos assumes the orb was holding Morg's power.
Fact: Thanos logically can't know that. He's assuming.
Fact: His assumption is wrong, because prior to retrieving the orb, Tyrant had already restored Morg's power.Another reason why he's wrong? Look at scan #2. Tyrant revitalizes Morg using the machine-tentacles hooked into him. The orb "supposedly" containing Morg's power was in a completely separate room. Sure, those two could be connected via a really, really long cord or whatever, spanning multiple rooms, etc. But, that's unlikely. And along with the rest of the evidence I provided, it's outright false.
the 2 i bolded are actually completely false. thanos "assumed" nothing--or if he did, he assumed correctly. he had no idea where the orb was, so what did he do? he specifically asked tyrant's own computer system where the orb that contained morg's stolen power was:
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Thanos_Morg_orb3.jpg
and the computer confirmed his knowledge (or assumption if you want) and told him exactly where it was. so, apparently, after going through tyrant's computer system and learning about him, he ALSO learned about the orb (which renders the need for assumptions noid). and he didn't ask for an orb with "knowledge"-- he asked for the orb with morg's stolen power.
and this piece:
Tyrant revitalizes Morg using the machine-tentacles hooked into him. The orb "supposedly" containing Morg's power was in a completely separate room.
only FURTHERS my point. if he DID revitalize morg with energy from the tentacles, or whatever the hell he did, then the orb STILL retained morg's stolen energy, again, as confirmed by tyrant's own computer system.
stolen energy does NOT equal knowledge. makes no sense in the scheme of that story.
a retcon is what let's me sleep at night. i'm afraid that the only thing that makes sense to me is a retcon. 😬
and i think it's still possible he clears it, but it isn't easy . . .
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i remember this thread. i love the irony--i, like zop, used to feel the orb empowered thanos in that famous tyrant fight, but my buddy enyalus (wish he was still a poster here....) showed me the error of my ways. anyway, with the way some seem to view tyrant, i wonder how he fares nowadays in this gauntlet.....
