Originally posted by carver9
that wasnt supreme, that was king hyperion and king hyperion>>superman; theres no comparison to the two.
Originally posted by carver9
team apocalypse wins this 10/10 and people that is pick supes and dianan lacks knowledge of the horsemen.This is almost close to being a none fight.
I wish I could go back in time to when these two posts didn't exist.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
i just want to know what a 'none fight" is.
Well, I didnt mean to say that, I just got mad at how people were underestimating the apoc team and blirted out some sh**.
This fight is a good fight, a very good fight, and the majority should go to apoc team if we base this off of powerset.
Originally posted by carver9
Well, I didnt mean to say that, I just got mad at how people were underestimating the apoc team and blirted out some sh**.This fight is a good fight, a very good fight, and the majority should go to apoc team if we base this off of powerset.
Originally posted by Raoul
Clarification of CISOk people, here are the finalised rules as regards PIS, CIS, and everything related to it.
PIS is, as always, off unless the thread starter says it's ON.
CIS, as was said before, is now a more diverse term, but is not as vague as before.
While CIS still exists in the form of characters like Rhino (who are just too stupid to know better), it also exists in one other form.
This is known as Character Inhibited Power. This applies to characters that have intelligence, like the Silver Surfer, Superman, and so on and so forth.
As Bada said:
"It's a self imposed limitation in certain circumstances which there is concern for civilians and buildings for the most part. It's not stupidity, it's a limitation set until the threat exceeds a certain threshold."
What this means is that people like the Surfer and Superman and so on will not use the full extent of their powers if it will endanger civilians. It doesn't, though, mean they will fight like idiots. The character's personality is an integral part of the match and dictates how they will perform. This is the crux of the rules we've come up with. It doesn't come down to powers, it comes down to the man or woman that weilds them.
In accordance with this, several factors come in to play in debates:
The Opponent, Basic Information, the Arena and the Character's Personality and Experience
Those four are key.
Example:
If Martian Manhunter fights say, Juggernaut.
MM doesn't personally know Juggernaut (Opponent). So he has Basic Information. This is categorised as being what the general public would know about the Juggernaut. It goes by averages. If that average man or woman on the street knows that Juggernaut is super strong, then MM knows. The average man or woman doesn't know, however, that the Juggernaut is weak against psionics. J'onn would approach with caution, not knowing whether Juggernaut was in his weight class, and not knowing the full extent of the man's powers.
However. If Martian Manhunter went up against Amazo, he would know to go for broke right at the start, because he KNOWS Amazo (Personality and Experience). He will use his speed, his strength, his shapeshifting. This is because if he knows what it takes to bring down Amazo, or he believes his standard attacks won't work. If J'onn was fighting Juggernaut, there would come a point when he would realise that normal attacks won't work, and would up his game. Any character that doesn't suffer from Rhino-esque stupidity is capable of this. Even with this, though, the Arena comes in to play. If civilians are in danger, J'onn won't shapeshift in to a fire breathing dragon. Juggernaut on the other hand doesn't care, so wouldn't hesitate to toss cars and trucks full of civilians at the Martian.
Examples:
Thor knows he can't out-brawl Hulk, so uses exotic powers sooner than he would against the likes of Superman, as Superman is an unknown to him.
Superman would go all out against Doomsday or Despero because he knows how powerful they are. Against the Hulk, he's going to take a few punches before realising he'll have to use something rather than slugging it out. He won't bathe the street in heat vision either, because there are civilians nearby.
It ALL comes down to the CHARACTER, not the POWERSET.
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A lot of the people on Apoc team could get one shotted but 1 of the people that will get oneshotted has a powerful tool against supes and diana and thats cyclops.
If cyke decides to not hold back and use his full optic blast, he could injure them tremendously but it would have to be a sneak attack; he would have to be in the back while the more powerful people fight.
Originally posted by carver9
A lot of the people on Apoc team could get one shotted but 1 of the people that will get oneshotted has a powerful tool against supes and diana and thats cyclops.If cyke decides to not hold back and use his full optic blast, he could injure them tremendously but it would have to be a sneak attack; he would have to be in the back while the more powerful people fight.
cyclops won't do crap to superman or diana, even with an off my lawn blast. he'd knock them down, maybe, but after the first blast, both of them are fast enough to dodge anything he can throw at them.
he'd have to literally stand over them while theyre being held down to be able to do the kind of damage you're talking about...
Originally posted by carver9
A lot of the people on Apoc team could get one shotted but 1 of the people that will get oneshotted has a powerful tool against supes and diana and thats cyclops.If cyke decides to not hold back and use his full optic blast, he could injure them tremendously but it would have to be a sneak attack; he would have to be in the back while the more powerful people fight.
Wut da hellz iz u taking abote????!!?!?12
Originally posted by Raoul
cyclops won't do crap to superman or diana, even with an off my lawn blast. he'd knock them down, maybe, but after the first blast, both of them are fast enough to dodge anything he can throw at them.he'd have to literally stand over them while theyre being held down to be able to do the kind of damage you're talking about...
Cyke blast is like being punched by a 100 tonner continuously and its a wide beam, it would cause some damage and would mess them up if you ask me.
Originally posted by carver9
Cyke blast is like being punched by a 100 tonner continuously and its a wide beam, it would cause some damage and would mess them up if you ask me.
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Originally posted by carver9
Cyke blast is like being punched by a 100 tonner continuously and its a wide beam, it would cause some damage and would mess them up if you ask me.
it's never shown even near the power required to injure superman or diana in one shot. i'd love it if it had, seriously, but unless i missed some issue, then he hasn't...
Originally posted by Raoul
it's never shown even near the power required to injure superman or diana in one shot. i'd love it if it had, seriously, but unless i missed some issue, then he hasn't...
I'm not referring to one shot, I mean a none stop shot.
A wide beam blast should be able to knock them out of the sky and then he could just pour it on but I agree, its very unlikely for this to happen.
Originally posted by Charmander
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Couldnt pull it up because I'm at work but I can kind of guess what it is, is it when he fought against hulk?
Originally posted by carver9
I'm not referring to one shot, I mean a none stop shot.A wide beam blast should be able to knock them out of the sky and then he could just pour it on but I agree, its very unlikely for this to happen.
they're far too fast and far too smart to give him a second shot. now, cyclops is pretty quick, to be fair to the guy, but what happened against northstar is likely to happen again...
Originally posted by Charmander
First one is Havok expending all his energy.Second one is Cyke.
Against Captain Britain. 😐
cyke's had a decent upgrade since then. now, he can knock down cl100's easily enough.
