Originally posted by Raoul
they're far too fast and far too smart to give him a second shot. now, cyclops is pretty quick, to be fair to the guy, but what happened against northstar is likely to happen again...cyke's had a decent upgrade since then. now, he can knock down cl100's easily enough.
Combat wise northstar>Supes and diana and I was talking about cyke hiding THEN shooting while supes and diana not paying him any of attention, not him fighting them straight up.
Originally posted by carver9
Combat wise northstar>Supes and diana and I was talking about cyke hiding THEN shooting while supes and diana not paying him any of attention, not him fighting them straight up.
i disagree, tbh. i see no reason why northstar is faster than superman.
plus, cyclops' blast is dodgeable, even if he hides.
Originally posted by carver9
Cyke blast is like being punched by a 100 tonner continuously and its a wide beam, it would cause some damage and would mess them up if you ask me.
he would not be able to tag them, any of them. They're just to fast for him to even lock in a shot. Hell, Daredevil's closed the range on Cyclops.
Originally posted by Raoul
i disagree, tbh. i see no reason why northstar is faster than superman.plus, cyclops' blast is dodgeable, even if he hides.
I think northstar is much faster combat wise because he actually have on panel proof that he can fight at light speed and its basically a guess that superman can even fight past the speed of sound.
A cyclops using his full optic blast would be a blast that would cover the sky, it would be hard for either of them to dodge it.
Originally posted by carver9
I think northstar is much faster combat wise because he actually have on panel proof that he can fight at light speed and its basically a guess that superman can even fight past the speed of sound.A cyclops using his full optic blast would be a blast that would cover the sky, it would be hard for either of them to dodge it.
superman has thought and reacted at lightspeed ON panel. speed of sound? please. even his usual combat speed feats are well above that.
his blast isn't that big. with their reaction speeds, they'd be damn near impossible to hit for him. superman could probably tank it too.
Originally posted by Raoul
superman has thought and reacted at lightspeed ON panel. speed of sound? please. even his usual combat speed feats are well above that.his blast isn't that big. with their reaction speeds, they'd be damn near impossible to hit for him. superman could probably tank it too.
Thought at light speed 😕 when did this happen and reacted at light speed, when did this happen also? Superman fighting speed is a mystery.
Naah, I dont think superman will tank a blast at full force from cyke. The juggernaut felt a full force blast from cyke, I know for a fact superman would be hurt from it.
Originally posted by carver9
Thought at light speed 😕 when did this happen and reacted at light speed, when did this happen also? Superman fighting speed is a mystery.Naah, I dont think superman will tank a blast at full force from cyke. The juggernaut felt a full force blast from cyke, I know for a fact superman would be hurt from it.
he thought at light speed during up up and away, and was actually processing information at that speed. reacting at light speed to barry allen in FC 7.
he's blitzed bizarro and doomsday, two people with superhuman reflex speed.
there are tons of examples of reflexes being over the speed of sound. if its a mystery, its only one in the sense that we don't know his limits, because he is WELL above the speed of sound. there are tons of showings to prove that. catching most bullets alone is a feat over the speed of sound.
he'd get knocked down by the first one, but he's tanked a hell of a lot worse and been fine. cyke would be no different.
Originally posted by Raoul
he thought at light speed during up up and away, and was actually processing information at that speed. reacting at light speed to barry allen in FC 7.he's blitzed bizarro and doomsday, two people with superhuman reflex speed.
there are tons of examples of reflexes being over the speed of sound. if its a mystery, its only one in the sense that we don't know his limits, because he is WELL above the speed of sound. there are tons of showings to prove that. catching most bullets alone is a feat over the speed of sound.
he'd get knocked down by the first one, but he's tanked a hell of a lot worse and been fine. cyke would be no different.
During final crisis darkseid also seen flash, does that mean he can react and think at light speed. Both seen flash come out of a portal, then flash took off.
I agree, he blitzed bizarro AND doomsday but how fast are they, doomsday clones has been tagged and killed by batman with an ax, doomsday speed is a mystery also and is very overrated.
I never said that superman speed is the speed of sound, his flight speed is amazing but again his combat speed is the mystery, not his flight speed.
Cyke blast is like being hit by a 100 tonner continuously, you're basically saying that supes could stand there and take a blast that the juggernaut and WWH even felt, thats crazy.
Originally posted by carver9
During final crisis darkseid also seen flash, does that mean he can react and think at light speed. Both seen flash come out of a portal, then flash took off.I agree, he blitzed bizarro AND doomsday but how fast are they, doomsday clones has been tagged and killed by batman with an ax, doomsday speed is a mystery also and is very overrated.
I never said that superman speed is the speed of sound, his flight speed is amazing but again his combat speed is the mystery, not his flight speed.
Cyke blast is like being hit by a 100 tonner continuously, you're basically saying that supes could stand there and take a blast that the juggernaut and WWH even felt, thats crazy.
darkseid has similar reflexes to clark, yes.
doomsday clones are heavily inferior to the actual doomsday, so that doesn't count. doomsday has proven superspeed, so no, it's not a mystery.
bizarro is as fast and as strong as superman.
i was talking about his combat speed, which is PROVEN to be well above the speed of sound.
it's not like being blitzed by 100 tonners, though, and superman has tanked a lot worse, as i said. he might get knocked down, but the damage done will be minimal.
Originally posted by Raoul
darkseid has similar reflexes to clark, yes.doomsday clones are heavily inferior to the actual doomsday, so that doesn't count. doomsday has proven superspeed, so no, it's not a mystery.
i was talking about his combat speed, which is PROVEN to be well above the speed of sound.
it's not like being blitzed by 100 tonners, though, and superman has tanked a lot worse, as i said. he might get knocked down, but the damage done will be minimal.
So you honestly think darkseid can react and see at light speed?
Doomsday has no speed feats and I only remember one saying where he actually had any kind of speed; he has no speed feats besides people saying he kept up with wonder woman, superman, martian manhunter, etc....
What fighting scene are you basing it off of that superman can fight past the speed of sound (OMG I try to limit my discussions about this, especially against a moderator).
Not blitzed by a 100 tonner but being hit by a lot of 100 ton punches. Not comparing wolverine to supes but wolverine has been hit by some of the most powerful being in mu but a mad cyke optic blast him with one full shot and koed him. This is the same guy that withstood punches from wwh, sasquash, wendigo, etc....
Originally posted by carver9
So you honestly think darkseid can react and see at light speed?Doomsday has no speed feats and I only remember one saying where he actually had any kind of speed; he has no speed feats besides people saying he kept up with wonder woman, superman, martian manhunter, etc....
What fighting scene are you basing it off of that superman can fight past the speed of sound (OMG I try to limit my discussions about this, especially against a moderator).
Not blitzed by a 100 tonner but being hit by a lot of 100 ton punches. Not comparing wolverine to supes but wolverine has been hit by some of the most powerful being in mu but a mad cyke optic blast him with one full shot and koed him. This is the same guy that withstood punches from wwh, sasquash, wendigo, etc....
yes.
he has plenty of reflex speed feats, even during DOS when he was crap.
fight past the speed of sound? the average rifle bullet is two to three times faster than the speed of sound, and superman can pull them out of the air like this:
if he can do that, then throwing a punch is child's play, and that is well above the speed of sound. by FAR.
it's not a lot of 100 ton punches, it's a few. superman has stood up to GL blasts and Omega Beams, and both of those would have more power than Cyclops' blast.
and wolverine isn't exactly consistent, tbh...
Originally posted by Raoul
yes.he has plenty of reflex speed feats, even during DOS when he was crap.
fight past the speed of sound? the average rifle bullet is two to three times faster than the speed of sound, and superman can pull them out of the air like this:
if he can do that, then throwing a punch is child's play, and that is well above the speed of sound. by FAR.
it's not a lot of 100 ton punches, it's a few. superman has stood up to GL blasts and Omega Beams, and both of those would have more power than Cyclops' blast.
and wolverine isn't exactly consistent, tbh...
Back on topic, supes speed fluctuates, in that scan supes is catching bullets at a pretty good rate, in another instance you have people shooting bullets and superman needing the aid of flash to stop the bullets (forgot the comic but I hope you know what I'm talking about. Its the comic where flash count the bullets and it say that it was five hundred bullets.). Then you have day after tomorrow where supes speed got some civilians killed, he wasnt fast enough to stop the bullets.
Just to set things off a little, rogue has done the same thing from faster bullets and she's no where close to fighting at the speed of sound.
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Originally posted by carver9
Back on topic, supes speed fluctuates, in that scan supes is catching bullets at a pretty good rate, in another instance you have people shooting bullets and superman needing the aid of flash to stop the bullets (forgot the comic but I hope you know what I'm talking about. Its the comic where flash count the bullets and it say that it was five hundred bullets.). Then you have day after tomorrow where supes speed got some civilians killed, he wasnt fast enough to stop the bullets.Just to set things off a little, rogue has done the same thing from faster bullets and she's no where close to fighting at the speed of sound.
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superman has more consistent feats showing him catching bullets than failing to catch them. those are low showings. remember:
"Faster than a speeding bullet."
Tis in the name.
if those bullets were the same speed as normal rifle rounds, then she would have been faster than the speed of sound by a fair amount.
the difference is that Superman catches bullets all the time. He does it on a very regular basis. Rogue doesn't.
