Originally posted by james2099
First of all...... I want you to show me supes or WW fighting at lightspeed. It is a writers FACT that they cannot, not mines. The writers themselves in supes bios and showings where fights take place at light or near lightspeed, chose to show superman not able to compete. Flash in DC has those feats in bios and showings. Supes and WW are far behind flash, and zoom blitzed them all. Now as to cable equal part.... what will you put up on the bet??
how is it a writer's fact? what writer said it?
Superman has thought and reacted at light speed. that implies the ability to fight at lightspeed. i named the arcs/issue numbers in which it was stated.
Flash is far ahead of them because lightspeed is nothing to guys like Wally and Barry. When Wally fought zoom, he had a massive boost and was barely keeping up with zoom. that's far beyond lightspeed.
you want to make an actual bet of it? sure. what do you want, and what do you have to offer?
Originally posted by Harbinger
This discussion again?
i know. i don't feel like wasting my time again.
Originally posted by RaoulYou keep claiming that he reacted to something faster than light, thats fine. The claim that you make is that he can fight at those speeds, which he cannot do. Gladiator reacted to an explosion and then hit a KNOWN speed of 100 times light speed.... Does that mean he can fight at that speed?? after all, he knew where he was going, so he had to pinpoint his directions and end point. We dont know if he can fight at that speed, but we KNOW how fast he was going... You have to guess about sups and WW. Flash and zoom were fighting at near light speed... not far beyond it.... even after the boost flash got, and supes could not react or increase his speed to help him. i CAN give you on-panel proof with numbers pertaining to flash, SS, northstar, thor, gladiator and many others, yet you cannot give a single instant of WW or supes being clocked or recorded at lightspeed let alone fighting at those speeds. You need another superman for that. Current cannot do it. And as for stryfe.. it is stated that he is more powerful than cable because he is not infected. Hell, i lost money stating that supes can fight at lightspeed using current supes when i really ment pre-crisis supes... MY friends had a field day on my mistake, and they are joining this site.
how is it a writer's fact? what writer said it?Superman has thought and reacted at light speed. that implies the ability to fight at lightspeed. i named the arcs/issue numbers in which it was stated.
Flash is far ahead of them because lightspeed is nothing to guys like Wally and Barry. When Wally fought zoom, he had a massive boost and was barely keeping up with zoom. that's far beyond lightspeed.
you want to make an actual bet of it? sure. what do you want, and what do you have to offer?
i know. i don't feel like wasting my time again.
Originally posted by james2099
You keep claiming that he reacted to something faster than light, thats fine. The claim that you make is that he can fight at those speeds, which he cannot do. Gladiator reacted to an explosion and then hit a KNOWN speed of 100 times light speed.... Does that mean he can fight at that speed?? after all, he knew where he was going, so he had to pinpoint his directions and end point. We dont know if he can fight at that speed, but we KNOW how fast he was going... You have to guess about sups and WW. Flash and zoom were fighting at near light speed... not far beyond it.... even after the boost flash got, and supes could not react or increase his speed to help him. i CAN give you on-panel proof with numbers pertaining to flash, SS, northstar, thor, gladiator and many others, yet you cannot give a single instant of WW or supes being clocked or recorded at lightspeed let alone fighting at those speeds. You need another superman for that. Current cannot do it. And as for stryfe.. it is stated that he is more powerful than cable because he is not infected. Hell, i lost money stating that supes can fight at lightspeed using current supes when i really ment pre-crisis supes... MY friends had a field day on my mistake, and they are joining this site.
reacting by its very nature implies that he can move and perform acts at those speeds.
superman while travelling has broken the lightspeed barrier several times. it's on panel and can't be denied.
proof that flash and zoom weren't going beyond light speed?
lulz. superman has performed those feats. all it takes is to read the comics and put two and two together. it's quite simple. current has done it. it's ON PANEL.
we all know he is stated as being more powerful than STANDARD cable because of the lack of infection, he has, to my recollection, NEVER displayed the kind of power that god cable did. there's a distinction there.
also, your friends are wrong, or else they simply didn't read enough comics. no offence, but reacting on panel, turning and speaking to someone travelling at light speed is a hell of a lot more challenging than simply swinging an arm or a leg.
Then why is he a statue here??...http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8030/13qo5.jpg...... He had no idea what was going on. Zoom blitzed supes and WW, under the speed of light..... They could not react to that...... Frozen in place as zoom and flash fought?? Even if they were fighting at lightspeed, superman, WW and any other could not help..... SS and gladiator would have laughed their AZZES off at the whole thing of not being able to help a friend fight at such low speeds..... hmmm, link not working... but you know the one in question.
Hey. Just got back from vacation so I'm not up-to-date on the debate, but Superman OR Wonderwoman could take any horsemen team that Apoc can come up with, barring guys like Hulk.
As for YOUR team. As long as Supes dodges Havok and Psyclops, it should be no prob.
As long as above-standard-Hulk and Eddie McDonough's out of the picture, Supes usually comes out on top.
Originally posted by Master CourtStyrfe would mindrape havok and cyclops as well as superman.
Hey. Just got back from vacation so I'm not up-to-date on the debate, but Superman OR Wonderwoman could take any horsemen team that Apoc can come up with, barring guys like Hulk.As for YOUR team. As long as Supes dodges Havok and Psyclops, it should be no prob.
As long as above-standard-Hulk and Eddie McDonough's out of the picture, Supes usually comes out on top.
Originally posted by james2099
Then why is he a statue here??...http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8030/13qo5.jpg...... He had no idea what was going on. Zoom blitzed supes and WW, under the speed of light..... They could not react to that...... Frozen in place as zoom and flash fought?? Even if they were fighting at lightspeed, superman, WW and any other could not help..... SS and gladiator would have laughed their AZZES off at the whole thing of not being able to help a friend fight at such low speeds..... hmmm, link not working... but you know the one in question.
your link didnt work, as you said, and you still haven't said why it's under the speed of light. the fact that they were going as fast as they were does more to hint that they were above the speed of light than under it.
Originally posted by james2099
Styrfe would mindrape havok and cyclops as well as superman.
yeah, cos superman has never gone up against top tier telepaths before.
oh wait, he has. plenty of them. stryfe isn't going to do it unless superman is battered and bloody and weak enough to be taken down.
You can't use Zoom as an example of Supes not being >C. 😬 Zoom's powers operate by Chronokinesis. He manipulates time around himself. Thus, he's not using pure speed at all. He's not even that fast in terms of speed.
But, because he controls time, he's automatically faster than almost anyone else in comics. His speed is enough to punk Wally at his best and he can blitz people like Wondy, Superman, etc. Wally had to jack speed from his friends and use Johnny Quick's formula to get enough speed to fight Zoom equally. They were actually moving faster than time, if you want to put a qualifier on it.
As for TPs Superman has fought: Martian Manhunter, Fernus, Manchester Black, Sleez, Darkseid, Despero, Aquaman, MAH-GEH-DUN, etc.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestFlash was not moving faster than light when he and zoom were fighting while superman was a statue.... Superman has been mindraped by far lesser TPs than the ones you named.... There is nothing be it scans or bios or anything else that states supes is lightfast or fights at lightspeed.... But there are plenty of scans, bios and even supes himself claiming that he is not that fast. That fight took place in seconds... supes could not perceive it, he could not match that speed... He was useless to flash. Now how fast was flash moving??? OUTRUNNING TIME????? That fight was clocked in seconds, so they were not even close to outrunning time. Go look at the WRITERS review of that fight and it will clearly state that they were at nearlight speed in that fight and supes was lost and frozen like a statue.
You can't use Zoom as an example of Supes not being >C. 😬 Zoom's powers operate by Chronokinesis. He manipulates time around himself. Thus, he's not using pure speed at all. He's not even that fast in terms of speed.But, because he controls time, he's automatically faster than almost anyone else in comics. His speed is enough to punk Wally at his best and he can blitz people like Wondy, Superman, etc. Wally had to jack speed from his friends and use Johnny Quick's formula to get enough speed to fight Zoom equally. They were actually moving faster than time, if you want to put a qualifier on it.
As for TPs Superman has fought: Martian Manhunter, Fernus, Manchester Black, Sleez, Darkseid, Despero, Aquaman, MAH-GEH-DUN, etc.
Originally posted by RaoulCould he help flash at a mere 1.7?? He was a statue. They could have blitz him at a mere 1.7??? Superman cannot move or fight or react at lightspeed. Flash flat out told you when he said that supes along with the others were useless to him.... And the icing on the cake is when the writers themselves showed superman as the statue. Now will you challenge the writers?? They didnt think he could compete. And who did zoom go after?? The speedsters?? Was supes included?? NO.
why?
Originally posted by james2099
Could he help flash at a mere 1.7?? He was a statue. They could have blitz him at a mere 1.7??? Superman cannot move or fight or react at lightspeed. Flash flat out told you when he said that supes along with the others were useless to him.... And the icing on the cake is when the writers themselves showed superman as the statue. Now will you challenge the writers?? They didnt think he could compete. And who did zoom go after?? The speedsters?? Was supes included?? NO.
a MERE 1.7? that's almost twice the speed of light.
the writer said nothing of the sort. 1.7 is a guess at best (no offence eny). zoom is so far beyond wally that wally needed a boost just to keep up with him. he needed what, THREE? and it still wasn't enough to keep up with zoom. it's 1.7 at the very LEAST.
Superman has ON PANEL feats of processing information and reacting at light speed. pulling up a panel from a flash comic where the speed isn't even specified is a weak argument verus something that's explicitly stated on panel.
Originally posted by Raoul
a MERE 1.7? that's almost twice the speed of light.the writer said nothing of the sort. 1.7 is a guess at best (no offence eny). zoom is so far beyond wally that wally needed a boost just to keep up with him. he needed what, THREE? and it still wasn't enough to keep up with zoom. it's 1.7 at the very LEAST.
Surface area of Earth ~ 510,000,000 km. Times 12. 6,120,000,000 km. That's 20,400x FTL.
So, it might be either one. Take your pick. lol
Originally posted by Enyalus
Just saying. Circumference of Earth ~ 40,000 km. Times 12. 480,000 km. Speed of light is 300,000 km per second. That's 1.6x FTL.Surface area of Earth ~ 510,000,000 km. Times 12. 6,120,000,000 km. That's 20,400x FTL.
So, it might be either one. Take your pick. lol
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i don't know where i got the figure, but i always thought that to circle the earth at the speed of light, you'd do it 23 times per second.
