Originally posted by Enyalus
Thanos doesn't have to stay at his base strength, either. 😬 Power Cosmic or mystic power amping FTW?
and i'd asked where there was evidence he'd actually AMPED his strength? i don't mean shiny-sparkly-power-thingees around his fist, but him actually going out of his way to make himself stronger somehow. if it's happened i've forgotten it or simply not seen it.
Originally posted by leonidas
and i'd asked where there was evidence he'd actually AMPED his strength? i don't mean shiny-sparkly-power-thingees around his fist, but him actually going out of his way to make himself stronger somehow. if it's happened i've forgotten it or simply not seen it.
Originally posted by Enyalus
But...I might have something like that, actually...Not positive. I'd have to look. And I'm feeling lazy right now. But bam! I'll throw it up sometime randomly, and then you'll be all amazed-like.
i can hardly wait. seriously the anticipation is building like a hurricane in me.
seriously.
😐
Originally posted by Master CourtStarted to read this, then got to the Thanos fears the Hulk fanboy myth, the stopped as you have no clue at all of what you are talking about.
You, uh, contradicted yourself there. A lil bit. Backhand versus tackling. You say the backhand shows obvious superiority, but a tackle shows nothing?Furthermore, as has been explained, Prof's showings don't count in any way towards the REAL Hulk. That is, Savage Hulk. The same Hulk that Thanos himself explicitly said he's cautious to fight. Now why would Thanos be concerned about Hulk? Well, what's Hulk KNOWN for more than anything? Strength. Hulk IS Marvel's goto strength guy. Like Onslaught's armor, the big mountain in Secret Wars, and many of Hulk's other feats that no one else managed to pull off.
Next, the durability thing. I probably can't crush a solid five pound rock in my bare hands, but I can lift it, throw it pretty far, and even kick it around. Thanos pimpsmacked Hulk(nevermind Thing, he's a second rater), and Hulk was indeed smacked. Great. It wasn't a strength contest though. It just means Thanos' strength is enough to challenge Hulk's DURABILITY.
Here's my point; If Thanos is leagues above Hulk in every way, why in the Hell would Thanos be cautious of Hulk? In his own words, he said that over the years he's sought to avoid an outright battle against the Hulk. Well, is he cautious Hulk might be him in the hop-skip-jump contest in the Olympics? The only offensive power the Hulk has is his strength. Logically, that HAS to be what Thanos is cautious of. Apocalypse himself, after measuring Hulk with the Celestial's technology, said that Hulk may actually have the potential to generate enough power to challenge the Celestial's themselves. Without taking that too much out of context, an ancient savvy dude like Apoc would know what he's talking about. I'm not saying step on Hulk's toes and he'll level the whole damn lot of them, but there's some kind of potential there. END POINT: Hulk's physically stronger than Thanos. It's the only explanation for these instances in question.
Hand to Hand; Really. How often does a guy like Thanos resort to fist fights? Hulk has experience dealing with whole armies, gods, cosmic entities, and all other manner of ultra-high powered beings. And given the nature of the Hulk, and his lack of versatility in the power department, almost all his battles are fist fights. He has no power blasts, no speed blitz, no telekinesis or telepathy. And he's beaten ALL of his enemies and opponents at least once. This includes Thor, Surfer, Namor, Hercules, the hordes of Hulk-villains, Sentry, entire teams of super heroes, sometimes multiple teams. As WWHulk, he proved that if Hulk simply did a little planning, he could take over the world. Not to mention he did so as Maestro as well. Hulk also took over Sakaar. So hand to hand? Thanos doesn't have much over on Hulk.
Thanos is a cosmic being with OTHER powers, and those are what he'll need to deal with the real Hulk. Cosmic power has always saved Surfer's ass in the past, and when he couldn't use it in Sakaar the Hulk dominated him. Same deal with Thanos, regardless if Thanos is greater than Surfer. If Thanos simply uses his other powers, he should deal with Hulk without much grief.
All that said; the stips in THIS fight SUCK! A Hulk that can't get stronger? Like Prof Hulk? Or Abomination? Wendigo? Sasquatch? Thing? These powerhouses that get leveled by anyone that feels like getting a warm-up? Hulk's power is limitless strength. Take that away, it's not Hulk. It's A Hulk. And Thanos can still use his cosmic powers? Unless this thread is simply for those guys that utterly adore Thanos and love to agree with themselves, you need to rethink the stips. I mean, Thanos already wins withOUT capping Hulk's strength, so why take it away? If Hulk has his capless strength, then a fight can actually be debated, but here we are simply comparing their powers... Why? Because we know Thanos wins with these stips. Remove them, and it's something I can work with.
You know, Leo, I would be a lot more impressed with Thanos if there have been no cases of him having amped his strength (I can't think of any save energy-encased fists). Placing the unlimited power source that Odin mentioned to a side as no one knows if Thanos can amp his strength via that avenue, I do think that it is nigh unquestionable that he can amp via PC. If he has accomplished his physical feats at base strength, that's a lot more impressive than if he had amped at any particular point in time.
Originally posted by Ouallada
You know, Leo, I would be a lot more impressed with Thanos if there have been no cases of him having amped his strength (I can't think of any save energy-encased fists). Placing the unlimited power source that Odin mentioned to a side as no one knows if Thanos can amp his strength via that avenue, I do think that it is nigh unquestionable that he can amp via PC. If he has accomplished his physical feats at base strength, that's a lot more impressive than if he had amped at any particular point in time.
i understand what you're saying. maybe be CAN amp his strength. it's just funny that everyone ASSUMES he can or does, but like i said, i've never SEEN it. i'm more inclined to think he uses his base strength, but maybe that's just me. 😬 if we assume he DOES amp, then . . . where has he done that? when has he battled without amping? how do we determine his base strength if we have no idea when he has or hasn't amped? do we simply assume he amps in his 'tougher fights'? why not progressively amp to battle thor? or did he? to just say he can increase his strength without ever seeing it, or without his actually SHOWING it . . . 😬
Originally posted by Nihilist
Started to read this, then got to the Thanos fears the Hulk fanboy myth, the stopped as you have no clue at all of what you are talking about.
Did you wake up with douche in your eyes? That'd explain why you can't read. Where the f**k did I say Thanos fears Hulk? Thanos doesn't fear s**t. Why would he? And neither does Hulk for that matter. That was proven during WWH.
Cautious doesn't mean afraid. And Thanos, by his own admission, is cautious of Hulk. Same as Steve Irwin was cautious around Crocodiles, but he obviously wasn't afraid of them.
And "fanboy"? I've already made it clear I know Thanos wins. WTF is fanboy about that?
My only points; Hulk is superior to Thanos in strength. And Thanos is NOT superior to Hulk in hand-to-hand skill. Hulk has gone the distance with Thor and defeated Hercules on numerous occasions, both are gods that heavily embody combat.
And as for people who STILL think Thor or Surfer are stronger than Hulk. Wake up. You don't have to be stronger than someone to punch them, or push them, or wrestle them against the wall. Fights involving top-tiers are not strength-versus-strength fights. They're strength-versus-durability-versus-skill fights. Thor himself recognized that Hulk is stronger, regardless of those ancient stalemates. The same way Superman knows Flash is faster. Strength is what Hulk is and does.
Yeah, I'm a huge Hulk fan, but I rarely say he wins "hands down" against real opponents like Juggernaut, Surfer, and the like. I'm the logical type. Logically, there's no proof Thanos is stronger or even AS strong as Hulk. And certainly no proof that Thanos is a better fighter.
Originally posted by leonidas
i understand what you're saying. maybe be CAN amp his strength. it's just funny that everyone ASSUMES he can or does, but like i said, i've never SEEN it. i'm more inclined to think he uses his base strength, but maybe that's just me. 😬 if we assume he DOES amp, then . . . where has he done that? when has he battled without amping? how do we determine his base strength if we have no idea when he has or hasn't amped? do we simply assume he amps in his 'tougher fights'? why not progressively amp to battle thor? or did he? to just say he can increase his strength without ever seeing it, or without his actually SHOWING it . . . 😬
The thing about Thanos as a character is that his showings have been nothing but incredibly consistent, allowing for a lower threshold of variance, of course. There isn't anything that strikes me as something Thanos could not have physically accomplished in any of his appearances without amping. I'll add this on top of the fact that Thanos has been shown to have access to the PC a grand total of once (iirc) and while this is frequently brought up on kmc and is indeed fair game as part of his powerset as per kmc rules, it isn't ridiculous to assume that he has not specifically been written to have amped himself at all. By Occam's razor, that would be a simpler assumption than the alternative, which would be to assume that Thanos amps himself at seemingly arbitrary times without any outward sign (again, ignoring energy fists) of said act or degree.
I would say that if I were a betting man, Vegas money would be on the absence of amping across the board, if only for simplicity's sake, even though it is a sketchy issue.
Cautious doesn't mean afraid. And Thanos, by his own admission, is cautious of Hulk. Same as Steve Irwin was cautious around Crocodiles, but he obviously wasn't afraid of them.
If I recall correctly, Thanos sought to avoid an encounter with the Hulk, which presents a different context from that which you brought up, never mind the fact that they have fought numerous times on panel.
I agree with the general consensus that without Thanos amping, Hulk starts off weaker but potentially ends up stronger. Thanos' battle-centric strength feats do not compare poorly against Hulk's. Staggering an IG-wielding (sans reality) Magus with a single punch is not to be scoffed at.
Originally posted by Ouallada
The thing about Thanos as a character is that his showings have been nothing but incredibly consistent, allowing for a lower threshold of variance, of course. There isn't anything that strikes me as something Thanos could not have physically accomplished in any of his appearances without amping. I'll add this on top of the fact that Thanos has been shown to have access to the PC a grand total of once (iirc) and while this is frequently brought up on kmc and is indeed fair game as part of his powerset as per kmc rules, it isn't ridiculous to assume that he has not specifically been written to have amped himself at all. By Occam's razor, that would be a simpler assumption than the alternative, which would be to assume that Thanos amps himself at seemingly arbitrary times without any outward sign (again, ignoring energy fists) of said act or degree.I would say that if I were a betting man, Vegas money would be on the absence of amping across the board, if only for simplicity's sake, even though it is a sketchy issue.
well said and i agree. 🙂
Originally posted by Master CourtThanos doesn't go looking for pointless brawls. Make no mistake he isn't even remotely scared of the Hulk as he has mocked his strength while his overpowering him and the Thing. He also bitchslapped him and Drax. Thanos also ordered him around during marvel's the end and separated him from Namor.
Did you wake up with douche in your eyes? That'd explain why you can't read. Where the f**k did I say Thanos fears Hulk? Thanos doesn't fear s**t. Why would he? And neither does Hulk for that matter. That was proven during WWH.Cautious doesn't mean afraid. And Thanos, by his own admission, is cautious of Hulk. Same as Steve Irwin was cautious around Crocodiles, but he obviously wasn't afraid of them.
And "fanboy"? I've already made it clear I know Thanos wins. WTF is fanboy about that?
My only points; Hulk is superior to Thanos in strength. And Thanos is NOT superior to Hulk in hand-to-hand skill. Hulk has gone the distance with Thor and defeated Hercules on numerous occasions, both are gods that heavily embody combat.
And as for people who STILL think Thor or Surfer are stronger than Hulk. Wake up. You don't have to be stronger than someone to punch them, or push them, or wrestle them against the wall. Fights involving top-tiers are not strength-versus-strength fights. They're strength-versus-durability-versus-skill fights. Thor himself recognized that Hulk is stronger, regardless of those ancient stalemates. The same way Superman knows Flash is faster. Strength is what Hulk is and does.
Yeah, I'm a huge Hulk fan, but I rarely say he wins "hands down" against real opponents like Juggernaut, Surfer, and the like. I'm the logical type. Logically, there's no proof Thanos is stronger or even AS strong as Hulk. And certainly no proof that Thanos is a better fighter.
Eny you've give me a woody in this thread I must admit.
Next are people really claiming Hulk is stronger at base levels and better at h2h combat? Does on panel proof mean nothing these days? Thanos has proven on panel to be superior to hulk in h2h combat. Strength they never arm wrestled or competed lifting stuff. However, I made a thread about this awhile ago. If you can CASUALLY backhand class 100+ people consistently that is a clear sign to me of strength superiority. Even backhanding somebody your relying on your strength and speed to deliever the blow. Your durability isn't backhanding them or making them go backwards it's the strength of your backhand. If you can casually do this to the hulk, thing, herc, drax etc yet thor can whail on the hulk with punches etc etc and have him still standing fighting back what does that say about a casual backhand from Thanos. Seem to me it says he's that much stronger base level then hulk
Shoot one of Hulk's own writers I forget which one said very clearly when asked if Thanos was stronger then the hulk... Thanos is in a class by himself in terms of strength. His own writer is saying this and yet your claiming his stronger then Thanos... LOL
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Eny you've give me a woody in this thread I must admit.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Shoot one of Hulk's own writers I forget which one said very clearly when asked if Thanos was stronger then the hulk... Thanos is in a class by himself in terms of strength.
Was apparently Peter David:
"Ramus, A frequent poster to the Marvel boards, had the opportunity to ask a true authority about the matter. Writer Peter David, who wrote the Hulk comic for about 12 years, is a subscriber on AOL. Ramus decided to e-mail David about the matter. He was very detailed in his questioning, desiring to avoid any confusion.
To quote Ramus, he asked "if he ( Peter David ) thought Thanos was on a physical strength level higher than Hulk at any time he was writing (meaning various incarnations)."
David's reply was simple, answering: "Yeah, probably. Thanos is kind of in his own weight class."
Nice, clear answer eh?"