Weakest sith to ever exist

Nah, its a legitimate insult. It's olde-english for an overly-flamboyant homosexual, so its more than applicable here.

Originally posted by Advent
You're a complete popinjay,

I never questioned whether or not he was the most powerful (in fact, I openly admitted it in this thread), only whether or not Lucas said so.

Try to keep up with your own debate.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Nah, its a legitimate insult. It's olde-english for an overly-flamboyant homosexual, so its more than applicable here.

I was talkin to Gid.

Originally posted by ~:Mr.Anderson:~
No, i didn't even claim to be able to keep up with this claim, but nevertheless it is valid.

You're arguing in circles, Anderson.

If it's valid, then why did you admit that you were wrong in saying it was true?

If you will go back and use your eyes and your brain to read it, the statement "sideous is the most powerful in history" was used as an example, not as a direct argument. The validity of the statement has no effect on the example.

Here's what you said and what I responded to:

Originally posted by ~:Mr.Anderson:~
Since george lucas officially stated that Sidious is the most powerful sith, sidious is the most powerful sith. This is not to be twisted by your interpretation.

Here's what I said:

Originally posted by Advent
George Lucas never officially stated anything about that, as far as I'm aware. If he did, please show me such and I'll go away forever.

Here's what you responded with:

Originally posted by ~:Mr.Anderson:~
Yes he did, in his rots commentary. And its been common knowledge, what planet have you been on since 2005?

Here's what you later admit to:

Originally posted by ~:Mr.Anderson:~
I heard from word of mouth that George Lucas say that Sidious was the most powerful.

Stop trolling.

I didn't think we were debating about the strength of sidious, but on how power =/= the ability to win in a situation. either way you are wrong.

I'm wrong either way? How can I be wrong on something I'm not arguing? Oh? What's that? I can't? You're using a strawman? And in the most obvious way? Good game.

Firstly, quotes - my Buddha, quotes stating "the most powerful of X". Not showings of power, not the character's knowledge or abilities, but simply: a quote. As I've explained, these quotes about "being the most powerful ever (past, present, future)" are just bullshit. The problem I have is when you state that according to canon character X is better than character Y based on just these encompassing quotes, which are not descriptive action or anything of the sort.

Using Leland Chee's words, they don't have any "power charts" documenting the entirety of the mythos. Hence why Gideon's comments were taken out of context. For example, there is nothing that he looks to that says -absolutely- Sidious is more powerful than Ragnos or Nihilus. It's dependent on the author and his interpretation of the characters or what's needed for the story. Which Chris Cerasi, editor for LucasBooks, confirms.

That means, in most cases, that we're examining the characters and deciding who's better than who. That's the whole point of a hypothetical Vs. match and the entire sub-forum! LucasBooks' canon apparently doesn't give a shit about Yoda vs. Caedus...so, is it their view that Yoda is more powerful than Caedus? We don't know. We have no idea if Yoda could beat Caedus in a straight fight. Nothing canon says definitively.

Simply, Ms. Marvel's post exemplifies my point:

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
[b]im not talking about sideous. i never was. im a firm believer in his dominance. but not because there is some quotes saying that he is. [/B]

That's all. "Not because some quotes saying that [they] are". And this is why the Vs. forum exists. Instead of hiding behind ambiguous phrases and hyperbole, we actually put down some substance. Or am I wrong? Do you guys enjoy "LOL YODA CONFIRMED MOST POWERFUL JEDI UP TO PT! ROTS NOVEL NUB. U LOSE!" type of debate?

It is at least C cannon, and as I have no intention of watching rots ever again, much less rots with commentaries, much less posting the video on youtube for the sole purpose of proving a person commonly known on this forum as a moron wrong, who decided, instead of directly challenging my debate to challenge the validity of a statement used as an example, i will leave it at C cannon.

Yawn.

I'm "commonly known as a moron"? That's news to this whole forum again. You should become the KMC Newscaster. You are such a coxcomb. Did you realize people [at least when I debated regularly] considered me among the most knowledgeable, proficient debaters? Yes, that includes Lightsnake, Dr. McBeefington, Elite Hunter and the resident forum troll retired debater: Gideon. Hell, my first mega-post on the forum earned praise from Janus, IKC and Illustrious. From Janus so much so that he invited me to his original forum when it first started and even asked me to take over in a debate for him.

Frankly, if I had a phallus on this forum, it'd be huge. But enough about my accolades on the Vs. forum, what have you done here other than cement your stupidity in history with non-editable posts?

Now, my idiotic freind, I leave you to reply and prove yourself more stupid.

Yes, considering you can't even spell "friend" right, I'm not sure why you feel to the need to attempt to please your clearly undersized e-peen by challenging my intellect.

But if the case is that there are no power charts, and all are equal, you are saying that Bandon is as powerful as Sidious, wwhich we all know he is not. You are saying that a sith that died and didnt even have a line, just "and there was a corpse in the left hand corner of a sith" that he is as powerful as Sidious. If that were the case, he wouldnt be a corpse in the left hand corner that didnt even have a line or name, now would he?

plz correct me if my idea is wrong. And plz give reasons as to why it is wrong.

Originally posted by Advent
Yawn.

I'm "commonly known as a moron"? That's news to this whole forum again. You should become the KMC Newscaster. You are such a coxcomb. Did you realize people [at least when I debated regularly] considered me among the most knowledgeable, proficient debaters? Yes, that includes Lightsnake, Dr. McBeefington, Elite Hunter and the resident forum troll retired debater: Gideon. Hell, my first mega-post on the forum earned praise from Janus, IKC and Illustrious. From Janus so much so that he invited me to his original forum when it first started and even asked me to take over in a debate for him.

Frankly, if I had a phallus on this forum, it'd be huge. But enough about my accolades on the Vs. forum, what have you done here other than cement your stupidity in history with non-editable posts?

Originally posted by Advent
Yes, considering you can't even spell "friend" right, I'm not sure why you feel to the need to attempt to please your clearly undersized e-peen by challenging my intellect.

😐

Could this be the same woman who underwent a colossal b1tchfit about my ego?

Surely not.

And it's not nice to call other people trolls. You're not exactly Ms. Sensitivity when it comes to debating.

Honey, your hypocrisy's showing.

😍

What? No, I'm not at all saying they are equal. If you want to use the word "equal" in my argument, you could say that all the characters start off equally in the Vs. realm. Then we factor in what they have done, their powers, their abilities and from there, you can see who's better than who. I'm saying that no power chart of the entire mythos exist.

Originally posted by Gideon
😐

Could this be the same woman who underwent a colossal b1tchfit about my ego?

Surely not.

And it's not nice to call other people trolls. You're not exactly Ms. Sensitivity when it comes to debating.

Honey, your hypocrisy's showing.

😍

Troll post, moving along.

And for the millionth time (and with all due respect), that's WRONG

Tehn we aparently made one, unofficaial as it is. Or the Vs forum wouldnt exist..........

Originally posted by Advent
What? No, I'm not at all saying they are equal.

I'm glad you cleared that up. We were quite literally on the verge of having you committed.

If you want to use the word "equal" in my argument, you could say that all the characters start off equally in the Vs. realm.

I'm with you so far.

Then we factor in what they have done, their powers, their abilities and from there, you can see who's better than who.

Not really, since by the quotes you provided from Chris Cerasi, we can't even trust the source material.

I'm saying that no power chart of the entire mythos exist.

Once again, Mr. Chee ought to consider taking it up with Mr. Lucas.

Originally posted by Incanus
Tehn we aparently made one, unofficaial as it is. Or the Vs forum wouldnt exist..........

EXACTLY!

Originally posted by Advent
Actually, canon doesn't put anyone "on top", it's all in this forum's mentality.

So, really, it is "we", and by "we", I mean, you. And by "you", I mean some members of this forum. Did I do that right?

MY GOD, INCANUS. YOU ARE A GENIUS!

YOU HAVE JUST GONE UP +1 IN MY BOOK, SIR.

Originally posted by Advent
Troll post, moving along.

You use that word a lot, anymore.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
And for the millionth time (and with all due respect), that's [b]WRONG [/B]

No, because I fear Advent is a graduate of Illustrious's School of Selective Logic.

Anakin, for example, still has the highest potential evar, even though all that confirms it are... quotes.

Originally posted by Gideon
Anakin, for example, still has the highest potential evar, even though all that confirms it are... quotes.

George Lucas' words are considered gospel, however. One thing I should point out, as it's terribly important - when I responded to Wolverine and Ms. Marvel's discussion, I wasn't fully aware of what Ms. Marvel was arguing.

Her view is that no quotes from anyone can tell her what's right. My view slightly differs in that I hold George Lucas' words as absolute G-canon, since they are according to the canon policy.

Originally posted by Advent
George Lucas' words are considered gospel, however.

Please provide the quote that says Anakin has the highest potential to use the Force evar, plz.

One thing I should point out, as it's terribly important - when I responded to Wolverine and Ms. Marvel's discussion, I wasn't fully aware of what Ms. Marvel was arguing.

I accept your concession.

Her view is that no quotes from anyone can tell her what's right. My view slightly differs in that I hold George Lucas' words as absolute G-canon, since they are according to the canon policy.

Guess the boss had better take it up with his employer. Seems like they have some stuff to work out.

So why did you claim i didn't fully understand canon when i argued to ms marvel that what lucas say = law in canon? I know that i was wrong in some posts but i was right when it came to the lucas quotes.

Just look at ms marvels post, she even claimed that she wouldn't believe lucas despite being the "gospel".

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
if lucas came out and said that jett zukassa was the most talented duelist in the order id say that he was full of shit and id denounce the quote as so. if that means im breaking kmc rules then so be it. id rather leave the forum then lower my intelligence to such a level that i ignore basic logic that even a small child can understand.

Originally posted by Gideon
Please provide the quote that says Anakin has the highest potential to use the Force evar, plz.

We all know it's true.

I accept your concession.

If that's what stimulates you.

Guess the boss had better take it up with his employer. Seems like they have some stuff to work out.

Chris Cerasi agrees that George Lucas' words are G-Canon. He was referring to the materials under G-canon level.

Wolverine,

Originally posted by Wolverine2179
What the authors says is fact, cold hard fact weather it makes sense or not it is still fact, if you can't accept that then don't bother arguing with anybody in this forum.

Chris Cerasi:

The further one branches away from the movies, the more interpretation and speculation come into play. LucasBooks works diligently to keep the continuing Star Wars expanded universe cohesive and uniform, but stylistically, there is always room for variation. Not all artists draw Luke Skywalker the same way. Not all writers define the character in the same fashion. The particular attributes of individual media also come into play. A comic book interpretation of an event will likely have less dialogue or different pacing than a novel version. A video game has to take an interactive approach that favors gameplay. So too must card and roleplaying games ascribe certain characteristics to characters and events in order to make them playable.

Originally posted by Advent
We all know it's true.

You mean like Mr. Anderson "know[s] it's true" that Lucas proclaimed Sidious the most powerful Sith "lawl evar!!1!" in the RotS commentary?

Yeah, no. Sorry. I'll need that quote by the end of business.

plz.

If that's what stimulates you.

You stimulate me, baby.

😍

Chris Cerasi agrees that George Lucas' words are G-Canon. He was referring to the materials under G-canon level.

Quote, plz?

And since Chris Cerasi is not George Lucas, then we cannot trust Chris's own words that he accepts Lucas's words as G-canon.

The window might be foggy.

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Lucas stated that Anakin had the potential to be twice as powerful as Sidious. That's enough for me.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Lucas stated that Anakin had the potential to be twice as powerful as Sidious. That's enough for me.

Well, we really don't know how powerful Sidious is, do we? According to Advent, the quotes, feats, and events are all invalid.

I'm twice as powerful as my goldfish (well, maybe). Doesn't mean I'm the best evar!!1!