Originally posted by inimalist
I'd not leave a tip if there was a really good reason for it. Not something stupid like they get the meal wrong or something. But pretty much any other situation I'm with your wife. Sometimes funds don't allow for it, but you get the drift.
But, normal is 15-18%. over 20 means that you were really satisfied with their service.
Originally posted by inimalistim guessing your a waiter or have been one before since your taking the not leaving tips thing such a big deal. and explain why would you need to leave a tip if your the one doing the work ?
lol. That is your prerogative, Mr. Pinkthe request? no.
I figure word gets around, at least that is what my friends in the food service business tell me. And not just crappy fast food, greasy spoon or family places either!
I'd not leave a tip if there was a really good reason for it. Not something stupid like they get the meal wrong or something. But pretty much any other situation I'm with your wife. Sometimes funds don't allow for it, but you get the drift.
Originally posted by dadudemonit should go by performance not how much the tab was.
But, normal is 15-18%. over 20 means that you were really satisfied with their service.
table # 1 orders about $35 in food and the waiter did verry good with serving and taking their orders and was kind
table #2 orders about $75 in food bigger family. but the waiter brought the wrong drinks at 1st and took to long to refill the drinks as well espcially after the waiter served the food.
now which waiter deserves a bigger tip ?
Originally posted by dadudemon
But, normal is 15-18%. over 20 means that you were really satisfied with their service.
or that you are a gracious customer
to be honest, I'm sure lots of it is that I want to appear socially to be both financially sound and generous.
Regardless, I still think it is basic decorum for 15%
Originally posted by chomperx9
im guessing your a waiter or have been one
nope, I'm a scientist 🙂
Originally posted by chomperx9
before since your taking the not leaving tips thing such a big deal.
I also find manners and civility to be of the utmost importance, for instance, I cover my mouth when I yawn, say excuse me if I burp, and try to leave the table if I'm going to fart.
nobody is going to force you to do those things, like tipping, but it is pretty much decent human behaviour.
Originally posted by chomperx9
and explain why would you need to leave a tip if your the one doing the work ?
why would you go out for food if you could stay home and make it yourself?
don't get defensive man. All I said was that people who don't tip get their food spit on, and that it is your prerogative not to.
Originally posted by chomperx9
it should go by performance not how much the tab was.table # 1 orders about $35 in food and the waiter did verry good with serving and taking their orders and was kind
table #2 orders about $75 in food bigger family. but the waiter brought the wrong drinks at 1st and took to long to refill the drinks as well espcially after the waiter serived the food.
now which waiter deserves a bigger tip ?
ooooooooooooooooooooh, and can you make a tipping algorithm?
Originally posted by inimalisti tip on performance. and yeah i agree with you on the spitting part you order pizza and you dont tip the delivery guy. the next time he delivers hes gonna spit.
or that you are a gracious customerto be honest, I'm sure lots of it is that I want to appear socially to be both financially sound and generous.
Regardless, I still think it is basic decorum for 15%
nope, I'm a scientist 🙂
I also find manners and civility to be of the utmost importance, for instance, I cover my mouth when I yawn, say excuse me if I burp, and try to leave the table if I'm going to fart.
nobody is going to force you to do those things, like tipping, but it is pretty much decent human behaviour.
why would you go out for food if you could stay home and make it yourself?
don't get defensive man. All I said was that people who don't tip get their food spit on, and that it is your prerogative not to.
i make my own food at home sometiems but thats not answering my question if you eat out at a buffet and you get your own food and drinks why would you need to leave a tip ?
Originally posted by chomperx9
i make my own food at home sometiems but thats not answering my question if you eat out at a buffet and you get your own food and drinks why would you need to leave a tip ?
because it is basic social decorum
the same could be asked of many other "manners"
you are free to question them, and be unbound by societies rules of civility, however, it does make you look cheap. Not to mention that the salaries of waitresses are cut to account for the tips they are expected to receive on any given night.
But really, you agreed with my point, and now you are trying to justify not tipping, which, well, I don't agree with.
Like, do you have a problem with holding doors for people? Pulling out chairs for your date?
Originally posted by inimalistil help out an elderly person or handicaped person sit down or open the door for them. anyone that needs the help as well like if they are carrying something.
because it is basic social decorumthe same could be asked of many other "manners"
you are free to question them, and be unbound by societies rules of civility, however, it does make you look cheap. Not to mention that the salaries of waitresses are cut to account for the tips they are expected to receive on any given night.
But really, you agreed with my point, and now you are trying to justify not tipping, which, well, I don't agree with.
Like, do you have a problem with holding doors for people? Pulling out chairs for your date?
and i always tip. but for the 4th time i go by performance not how much it was. just cause something is more expensive doesnt change the fact of how good your service was. and yes they dont make alot unless its one of those fancy restaraunts but thats their choice to work there no one elses.
last year i saw this hair salon for only $5 a haircut was asians that worked there they didnt understand that i only wanted a trim she went over board cutting. and after paying the $ 5 bucks she reached out saying tip please. i was like what the hell you dont ask for tip and no im not gonna leave her one anyways especially after messing up after i tolder her i just want a trim. if she doesnt know what trim is then shes got no business working at a hair salon till she knows english better.
now would you have tipped her ?
Originally posted by chomperx9
who deserves more money left
A 15% tip, which is standard, on $75 is 11.25
A 15% tip on $35 is 5.25
For Table A to leave more money than table B, one would have to tip table B at 7% (less than half of standard, or an insult) or Table A more than double standard.
Does getting the wrong drink constitute bad service for you? really?
Originally posted by inimalist
Does getting the wrong drink constitute bad service for you? really?
It constitutes a failure of service at some level.
If they apologize for it, seriously, then I am okay with getting a wrong drink.
However, if they do that the whole night, getting everything wrong. No matter how much they apologize, they failed at being a server and should not get a tip. How are they to learn? Maybe they don't have the mind for waiting?
These are things the Americans can convey to those who work in tipping positions. You are doing a favor to that person by either under tipping or not tipping them, IF they mess up. You could increase, in the long run, how much money they make if they KNOW they screwed up. There's a difference between "knowing" and KNOWING that you screwed up. I'm sure they'll remember that they messed up and take steps to amends.
Both my wife and I worked as servers in our teenage years. This is how I know...and why she wants to over tip.
Originally posted by inimalisti was just using an example of which deseves a better tip when one was slow and messed up the order and the other was quick and did much better with service.
A 15% tip, which is standard, on $75 is 11.25A 15% tip on $35 is 5.25
For Table A to leave more money than table B, one would have to tip table B at less than 10% (essentially a third less than standard) or Table A more than double what they are getting.
Does getting the wrong drink constitute bad service for you? really?
nevermind you wont get it or just dont want to get it obviously
youd rather give a bigger tip to someone who Fs up the order and was bad with service then to leave a tip to someone who did a much better job with the service even though your meal didnt cost alot
which is stupid
and you still leave tips after a person askig for a tip i mean come on.
yeah youve been a waiter before alright
Originally posted by dadudemon
It constitutes a failure of service at some level.If they apologize for it, seriously, then I am okay with getting a wrong drink.
However, if they do that the whole night, getting everything wrong. No matter how much they apologize, they failed at being a server and should not get a tip. How are they to learn? Maybe they don't have the mind for waiting?
These are things the Americans can convey to those who work in tipping positions. You are doing a favor to that person by either under tipping or not tipping them, IF they mess up. You could increase, in the long run, how much money they make if they KNOW they screwed up. There's a difference between "knowing" and KNOWING that you screwed up. I'm sure they'll remember that they messed up and take steps to amends.
Both my wife and I worked as servers in our teenage years. This is how I know...and why she wants to over tip.
fair enough. I wish I were so important that someone making mistakes could ruin a meal for me.
I'm a person, I **** up all the time, maybe that is why I understand it.
And seriously man, wtf, helping them, don't even pretend.
Originally posted by chomperx9
i was just using an example of which deseves a better tip when one was slow and messed up the order and the other was quick and did much better with service.
actually, thats why I clarified, because you don't even understand the question you are asking.
Originally posted by chomperx9
nevermind you wont get it or just dont want to get it obviously
you are correct. I don't, nor do I want to, understand the mentality behind not wanting to be generous.
Originally posted by chomperx9
youd rather give a bigger tip to someone who Fs up the order and was bad with service then to leave a tip to someone who did a much better job with the service even though your meal didnt cost alotwhich is stupid
I did not say that. You asked the question incorrectly. I would give a larger percentage of the check as a tip for better service, which is not what you asked. I can not really conceive of a situation where a $35 bill would get a larger, in absolute terms, tip than a $75 bill, unless I was trying to **** the waitress or insult them.
This is basic math dude, learn it please.
Originally posted by chomperx9
and you still leave tips after a person askig for a tip i mean come on.
lol, I'd leave a tip for someone who asked me not to
Originally posted by chomperx9
yeah youve been a waiter before alright
nope 🙂
it is nice what that reveals about your internal thought processes when it comes to rationalizing contentious information. Looking for reasons to dismiss 🙂
Originally posted by inimalist
fair enough. I wish I were so important that someone making mistakes could ruin a meal for me.
If I'm paying $90 for some food, I certainly expect $90 service. If I'm paying $5 for my food, I expect $5 service.
Originally posted by inimalist
I'm a person, I **** up all the time, maybe that is why I understand it.
This is why a couple of mistakes are expected. But is it REALLY that hard to remember two drinks? If it is...write the sh*t down. 😐
Originally posted by inimalist
And seriously man, wtf, helping them, don't even pretend.
It certainly helped me in my first week as a server. I certainly didn't forget when I was undertipped or not tipped. The mistake is not forgotten. That was even covered in my training for being a server.
Edit - Think of it this way: You're helping the chicken get out of the egg. If you act like a customer, then you are allowing them to get out of the egg themselves. You are doing harm to both the person and to future customers by giving a full tip for poor service.