The Protege vs The Fury

Originally posted by Mr Master
According to on panel/Handbook corroborated evidence,
the Fury was severely weakend
after battling MJJ616 ("GOD"😉 acrossd UniverseS.

😐 I don't know, uhh, by taking damage from "GOD?"

???

That was before the CPU absorption.

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/8990/1701.jpg

cept for a bit of smoke else it look intact (weaker but not damaged)
the same armor & all that. the purple stuff or w/e its made of. it didnt loo, different heck there wasnt even crack in it 🤨
did they say it evolved xtra layer of armor or something?

oh btw there the ep with Blink 😛

Originally posted by Mr Master
Your consciousness expands across the Omniverse in an instant,
that's what Scatterbrain does to ya if she wishes to fry your brain.

Your consciousness literally travels across time on an Omniversal scale,
it's simple as that.

If you can't accept that, that's cool friend, but those are the facts.

As for Fury shutting it's brain off, yes of course, your consciousness comes from your brain.

Which still points out that this is a MENTAL attack not a time/space attack. Stop calling it a omniversal attack. Scatterbrain's ability wasn't really all that impressive.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

Which still points out that this is a MENTAL attack not a time/space attack.

Like Xavier for instance, he's a master of the mind,
but he can't expand your consciousness even across a city block.

It just so happens that your consciousness derives from your brain,
but the consciousness is much more than just the organ it originates from.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

Stop calling it a omniversal attack.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

Scatterbrain's ability wasn't really all that impressive.

Imo though, Scatterbrain is no joke.

Joyboy, another member of Technet, attacks you mentally,
not Scatterbrain though,
who attacks your actual consciousness,
literally forcing it to expand across the entire Omniverse.

This means you become one (consciously) with everything in all Timelines across the Omniverse.

If you need the on panel proof, supported by the Handbooks, holla. 🙂

Originally posted by SoulDevourer

yeah but it looked the same before/after the cave thing, before:/after fight with mjj

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/8990/1701.jpg

cept for a bit of smoke else it look intact (weaker but not damaged)
the same armor & all that. the purple stuff or w/e its made of. it didnt loo, different heck there wasnt even crack in it
did they say it evolved xtra layer of armor or something?

Now discussing whether or not Fury was weakend after battling Jaspers is a moot argument,
because it's a 100% undebatable fact.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer

oh btw there the ep with Blink 😛

He put PIS in the story to defeat Fury,
but he at-least kept it real concerning Jaspers,
although, the story alludes to it not really being either of them.

Originally posted by Mr Master
If it was just "mental" ... then your consciousness would not be affected,
just the mind.

The way the Fury negated the attack seems to point out that it requires that its brain was the one affected more than it's consciousness. It didn't switch off it's consciousness did it?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Like Xavier for instance, he's a master of the mind,
but he can't expand your consciousness even across a city block.

Different abilities, different effects. Calling Cyclops' and Human Torch's powers as "energy projection abilities" doesn't mean they have similar effects to each of them.

Originally posted by Mr Master
It just so happens that your consciousness derives from your brain,
but the consciousness is much more than just the organ it originates from.

The Fury didn't turn off his consciousness during the attack did it? It switched off it's physical brain.

No time to reply to the rest. I'll be back later to reply to the rest. 🙂

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

The way the Fury negated the attack seems to point out that it requires that its brain was the one affected more than it's consciousness. It didn't switch off it's consciousness did it?

When Fury shut off its brain,
it shut of its consciousness,
this is why the Moore clearly points out,
that the Fury is now relying on instinct,
since it lost its ability to process thought with consciousness,
due to it shutting down it's brain.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

Different abilities, different effects. Calling Cyclops' and Human Torch's powers as "energy projection abilities" doesn't mean they have similar effects to each of them.

Fascination (Scatterbrain) attacks the consciousness,
Xavier attacks just the mind.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

No time to reply to the rest. I'll be back later to reply to the rest.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually, you should read the book before commenting on it,
this is what I always advise members in order to avoid circles.

When Fury shut off its brain,
it shut of its consciousness,
this is why the Moore clearly points out,
that the Fury is now relying on instinct,
since it lost its ability to process thought with consciousness,
due to it shutting down it's brain.

I'll have to reread the scan, I don't recall anything that said that the consciousness was switched off, but even then, it seemed to point to a more "physical" consciousness more than the intangible consciousness you alluded to.

You fail to see my point. It seems to be indicated in the scan that the "consciousness" they alluded to wass simply a part of the brain's function (or at least the Fury's brain). Meaning that the attack is NOT AN OMNIVERSAL/TEMPORAL attack. But one that targets the brain.

Meaning, we still need to go back to my point that being able to resist Scatterbrain's attack has NOTHING to do with resisting anything Omniversal OR Temporal.

Again, an example would be that Sentry throws enemies into the sun as a means to defeat them, being able resist being thrown into the sun by avoiding him grabbing you does NOT mean that you can resist the sun's heat.

Originally posted by Mr Master

No doubt.

Fascination (Scatterbrain) attacks the consciousness,
Xavier attacks just the mind.

Both are attacks that target a brain function with different effects. Calling one simply a TP attack and the other an "Omniversal-Temporal" attack is just silly.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Unles you'r gonna post proof to support your opinions,
don't bother.
I on the other hand will post the evidence, tomorrow,
when I get home from work.

Cool. Post the scan, even tho I've seen the scan 100x already. It would be nice to get a refresher. I believe that you simply read into it too much and exaggerated the effect like 1000000fold.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

I'll have to reread the scan, I don't recall anything that said that the consciousness was switched off, but even then, it seemed to point to a more "physical" consciousness more than the intangible consciousness you alluded to.

(a combination of the two is undebatable, if it's just On Panel showings, that's good enough)

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

You fail to see my point. It seems to be indicated in the scan that the "consciousness" they alluded to wass simply a part of the brain's function (or at least the Fury's brain). Meaning that the attack is NOT AN OMNIVERSAL/TEMPORAL attack. But one that targets the brain.

Scatterbrain expands the actual Consciousness across the Omniverse,
it is stated On Panel to be a Time-based effect!!

Scatterbrain can manipulate the scale of this attack,
so as to not fry everyone she uses it on.

Good lord.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

Meaning, we still need to go back to my point that being able to resist Scatterbrain's attack has NOTHING to do with resisting anything Omniversal OR Temporal.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

Again, an example would be that Sentry throws enemies into the sun as a means to defeat them, being able resist being thrown into the sun by avoiding him grabbing you does NOT mean that you can resist the sun's heat.

This has nothing to do with Scatterbrain, and her power.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

Both are attacks that target a brain function with different effects. Calling one simply a TP attack and the other an "Omniversal-Temporal" attack is just silly.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

Cool. Post the scan, even tho I've seen the scan 100x already. It would be nice to get a refresher. I believe that you simply read into it too much and exaggerated the effect like 1000000fold.

And you call me "silly?" 😆

And I "exaggerated the scan 1000000fold?"

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Look down below in the next Post ...

... then see who's talking out of their ass,

calling others "silly"

and accusing others of "exaggerating the scans 1000000fold" ...

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The debate here between D_Dude and I is,

is Scatterbrain's power a Time-Based Attack on an Omniversal scale or not?

Ok true debaters (no haters please) weigh in your stance according to the On Panel evidence.

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"Time distorts around her.
Motion breaks down into juddering stroboscopic images.
Seconds stretch into centuries.
Aeons condense into instants"

..........................................................................................................

Fascination (Scatterbrain) wasn't even trying to hurt Brian,
and she knocked him out cold.

When Scatterbrain wants to hurt you,
this TIME affect expands across the Omniverse!

"And with her touch,
the guard finds his Consciousness
instantly expanded across the Infinite breadth of the Omniverse"

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I'm such a "silly" person, that "exaggerates scans 100000xfold" ... srugdoped

swank

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So ... we noticed (with On Panel) evidence,
that Scatterbrain's power is a Time-based attack, (by expansion and/or contraction)
that specifically targets one's consciousness.

By way of On Panel evidence we see this effect can be controlled by her,
to K.O you, or to fry your brain.

In the case of the Fury, did she also attack his "Consciousness?" hm

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Now imagine the kind of attack
Scatterbrain unleashed on the Fury after he killed some of her team mates:

"Everything is suddenly moving so slowly ...
...female interfering with Temporal Lobe of brain ...
and so it shuts its brain down ...
and it switches its Consciousness to the auxiliary nervous system in its back"

"And then it hits her ... it learns ... it learns fast"

..........................................................................................................

Her touch is all that's needed,
yet she clawed her fingers into the Fury's head like a savage!

Fury immediately adapted, and owned Scatterbrain,
and Brian who tried to help.

..........................................................................................................

Respect the Fury dogs. ✅

Again, it's a "consciousness expanding" mental attack. What you see there in the narration is how the effects felt as experienced by its victims, writers do that sometimes to make the sensation a bit more personal. There is no time manipulation here, only overstated opinions on how it works.

In fact, the Fury's analysis of the attack fits my argument perfectly:

"Female is Interfering with the Temporal Lobe of Brain"

That's all her attack does. Interfere with the Temporal Lobe...

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

Again, it's a "consciousness expanding" mental attack. What you see there in the narration is how the effects felt as experienced by its victims, writers do that sometimes to make the sensation a bit more personal.

This tells me, you ain't gonna budge, since you've entered the realm of intransigence.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

There is no time manipulation here,

only overstated opinions on how it works.

"Time distorts around her.
Motion breaks down into juddering stroboscopic images.
Seconds stretch into centuries.
Aeons condense into instants"

("Time distorts around her?" ... 🤨 but, but I thought it was all in his head ... 😐)

No dogs, the Consciousness is something meta-physical, it can actually travel outside the brain.

... oohh, ahh, I see. 👆

...yes ... this is why ... (below)

"And with her touch,
the guard finds his Consciousness
instantly expanded across the Infinite breadth of the Omniverse"

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

In fact, the Fury's analysis of the attack fits my argument perfectly:

"Female is Interfering with the Temporal Lobe of Brain"

That's all her attack does. Interfere with the Temporal Lobe...

Again, and as I stated before,
the Consciousness derives from the brain,
so, of course the Fury needs to make his TEMPORAL lobe, obsolete,
in order to escape the Omniversal Consciousness expanding Time-based attack.

***

Have a good day Dude, this argument has been sealed,
whether you concede or not is no consequence to me.

If by what you mean:

"And it switches its consciousness to the auxiliary nervous system in the small of its back"

This actually helps my argument more than yours. O_O What the Fury did was switch to a second brain (w/c it apparently has). This actually shows that the attack has nothing to do with anything "intangible" about the consciousness being affected (thus simply switching to a different brain works in negating the attack) but more of a physical consciousness derived from the function of the brain.

There's no point in arguing with you, you'll keep insisting that a simple narration style will support your ludicrous argument wherein on panel events (how the Fury negated the attack) seem to contradict everything you say. The whole thing is stated on panel and anyone with a firm grip on reality would actually understand what really happened here.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

If by what you mean:

"And it switches its consciousness to the auxiliary nervous system in the small of its back"

This actually helps my argument more than yours. O_O

You're so caught up in your unsupported stance,
that you can't even see what that means.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

What the Fury did was switch to a second brain (w/c it apparently has).

This actually shows that the attack has nothing to do with anything "intangible" about the consciousness being affected (thus simply switching to a different brain works in negating the attack) but more of a physical consciousness derived from the function of the brain.

Where the hell did you get that the Fury switched to a "second brain?"

Are you going to star making shit up for the sake of winning a debate?
(I hate when people do that)

The Fury didn't switch to any "second brain" ... that's a fallacy.

The Fury SHUT it's Brain DOWN!!! (NOT one of it's brains)
(there's no mention of the Fury ever having a "second brain" anywhere at any time)

The Fury switched to a secondary "Nervous System"

Which obviously means it was then acting on instinct,
with ONLY a "Nervous System" to react with.

***

Or were you under the impression that the "Nervous System" and the "Brain" are the same thing? 😐
(yea sure they compliment each other, but they're surely NOT the same thing)

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

There's no point in arguing with you, you'll keep insisting that a simple narration style will support your ludicrous argument wherein on panel events (how the Fury negated the attack) seem to contradict everything you say. The whole thing is stated on panel and anyone with a firm grip on reality would actually understand what really happened here.

When you post evidence that Fury has a second brain, we'll continue this,
until then you can trick yourself into believing you're right all you want.

As for your other fallacy that claims it's the "physical consciousness" that's affected.

I'd love to know how the hell is Time distorted outside the mind,
if it's just in the brain where the attack takes place?

I'd also love to know,
how the guard's Consciousness was expanded across the Omniverse,
if again, it's all in his head?

Of course you gots nothing to address these questions,
you'll come back with more supposition and personal unsupported opinions,
while simultaneously trying to re-write in your own words what Moore meant,
rather than just simply reading what is stated on panel with the artistic depictions.

Sigh.

aux⋅il⋅ia⋅ry
–adjective
1. additional; supplementary; reserve: an auxiliary police force.
2. used as a substitute or reserve in case of need: The hospital has an auxiliary power system in case of a blackout.
3. (of a boat) having an engine that can be used to supplement the sails: an auxiliary yawl.
4. giving support; serving as an aid; helpful: The mind and emotions are auxiliary to each other. Passion is auxiliary to art.

A reserve/additional/supplementary nervous system.

You DO know that the brain is PART of a nervous system?

Central Nervous System

The central nervous system (CNS) is the largest part of the nervous system, and includes the brain and spinal cord. The spinal cavity holds and protects the spinal cord, while the head contains and protects the brain. The CNS is covered by the meninges, a three layered protective coat. The brain is also protected by the skull, and the spinal cord is also protected by the vertebrae.

Hm. I'm beginning to see, that the problem here might not be that you're actually exaggerating the effects of the ability. Maybe you just misinterpreted/don't understand the words?

It’s a mental attack. Scatterbrain does nothing more then expand the conscious mind, in efforts to overwhelm its foe.

The whole, "time distorts around her". Is nothing more then narration to explain the effects, of what the victim is experiencing.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Sigh.

aux⋅il⋅ia⋅ry
–adjective
1. additional; supplementary; reserve: an auxiliary police force.
2. used as a substitute or reserve in case of need: The hospital has an auxiliary power system in case of a blackout.
3. (of a boat) having an engine that can be used to supplement the sails: an auxiliary yawl.
4. giving support; serving as an aid; helpful: The mind and emotions are auxiliary to each other. Passion is auxiliary to art.

A reserve/additional/supplementary nervous system.

You DO know that the brain is PART of a nervous system?

Central Nervous System

The central nervous system (CNS) is the largest part of the nervous system, and includes the brain and spinal cord. The spinal cavity holds and protects the spinal cord, while the head contains and protects the brain. The CNS is covered by the meninges, a three layered protective coat. The brain is also protected by the skull, and the spinal cord is also protected by the vertebrae.

Absolutely nothing concerning Scatterbrain and her power.

Already stated that they compliment each other, so ... 😐
But the Nervous System is not a second brain.

*The nervous system is like a network that relays messages back and forth
from the brain to different parts of the body.

This is how the "Brain" is involved with the "Nervous System."

You just copied and pasted from Wiki,
and didn't take the time to read further ... shame on you.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

Hm. I'm beginning to see, that the problem here might not be that you're actually exaggerating the effects of the ability. Maybe you just misinterpreted/don't understand the words?

I'm beginning to see,
that the problem here might not be that you're actually just making shit up to win.
Maybe you just misinterpreted/don't understand the On Panel evidence?

See, it's easy to just post gibberish.

Originally posted by id369

It’s a mental attack.
Scatterbrain does nothing more then expand the conscious mind,
in efforts to overwhelm its foe.

"And with her touch,
the guard finds his Consciousness
instantly expanded across the Infinite breadth of the Omniverse"

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If its just a "mental attack" (which as you're suggesting is contained withIN the mind)
how is one's Consciousness being expanded across all of time?

hum

Originally posted by id369

The whole, "time distorts around her".
Is nothing more then narration to explain the effects,
of what the victim is experiencing.

Scatterbrain expands your Consciousness across all of time in the Omniverse.

That's been my claim from the beginning,
that's my claim now,
and it's confirmed On panel. 👆

Anything else?

Originally posted by Mr Master

"[b]Time distorts around her.
Motion breaks down into juddering stroboscopic images.
Seconds stretch into centuries.
Aeons condense into instants"

[/B]

There it is, the effects of having your conscious expanded.

Originally posted by Mr Master

If its just a "mental attack" (which as you're suggesting is contained withIN the mind)
how is one's Consciousness being expanded across all of time?

hum

Post the proof where Moore said this.

[b]Scatterbrain expands your Consciousness across all of time in the Omniverse.

That's been my claim from the beginning,
that's my claim now,
and it's confirmed On panel. 👆

Anything else? [/B]

The victims conscious is being expanded to such degree. Not that actual time manipulation is taking place.

Originally posted by id369

There it is, the effects of having your conscious expanded.

The victims conscious is being expanded to such degree.

Not that actual time manipulation is taking place.

Originally posted by Mr Master

Your consciousness expands across the Omniverse in an instant,
that's what Scatterbrain does to ya if she wishes to fry your brain.

Your consciousness literally travels across time on an Omniversal scale,
it's simple as that.

If you can't accept that, that's cool friend, but those are the facts.

As for Fury shutting it's brain off,
yes of course, your consciousness comes from your brain.

Originally posted by Mr Master

Scatterbrain though,
who attacks your actual consciousness,
literally forcing it to expand across the entire Omniverse.

This means you become one (consciously) with everything in all Timelines across the Omniverse.

In Marvel comics,

"Cosmic Consciousness" ... is awareness on a Cosmic scale.

Therefore, Scatterbrain gives you Cosmic Consciousness,
but on an Omniversal scale.

This effect though is instant,
and therefore overwhelming for the victim.

Sorta like when Phoenix gave Mastermind Cosmic awareness on a Universal scale,
she did so by expanding his Consciousness across the Universe.

Originally posted by Mr Master

Now this is not controlling time in anyway,
I hope that's not mis-understood,
but she does control one's perception of time on any scale she wishes,
while literally expanding one's Consciousness across all of Time .

Only proves that one's Consciousness is billowing outside the mind,
and into the greater concept of Time,
which is infinitely broader than what's contained in one's mind.

I think in this regard, we agree no?