The Protege vs The Fury

Originally posted by Mr Master
The Fury may have looked the same,
but its energy stores were depleted, (he was fighting GOD for crying out loud)
making it damaged goods until it regenerates again.

take this example : there this time Sentry is fighting ultron (she-ultron iirc). she has super hard armor but this guys badass, and in the end shes losing the fight so she run away. does dat mean her adamantium wuz someho softer at the end of the fight? 🤨

Now discussing whether or not Fury was weakend after battling Jaspers is a moot argument,
because it's a 100% undebatable fact.

That's Clairemont's Fury, not Moore's.

He put PIS in the story to defeat Fury,

Wow, id continues to fail at trying.

Originally posted by Mr Master
You're still confusing yourself by the phrased term I attached the feat with.

If this is what has you in circles,
then forget about that and stick to the meat of the debate.

Actually, the whole point of this debate is the way you classified the attack as "Omniversal/Temporal" if you concede the fact that this is a mental attack, I will concede the fact that it is a mental attack that expands one's consciousness across time and space? That's fair right?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Does Scatterbrain expand one's Consciousness across the Omniverse,
in a Time-based fashion?

(again, NOT controlling Time itself, just one's Consciousness across Time)

See? If you said this from the very beginning, there would be no argument here. My problem is classifying the attack as an Omniversal/Temporal attack, therefore alluding to the fallacy that the Fury resisted anything that had to do with Time/Space manipulation cuz he resisted this attack.

I'm sure there are many feats out there that shows the Fury resisting Time/Space manipulation. It's just not this one.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Irrelevant attempts at being funny.

Therefore inconsequential.

Please, as heated as our discussion has become,
don't turn into a total A-Hole like your only supporter

Not trying to be an A-Hole, I apologize if I came out like that, but this is exactly how I feel about your fallacious classification of the attack/feat in general. I'll tone down my sarcasm if you tone down your aggressive attitude, that fair?

Originally posted by Mr Master
You still here?

The Mind is where the Consciousness derives from,
the Mind resinates from the brain.

So, ok, I'll give you the Fury switching it's Consciousness to another brain.

See I'm a man,
but will you concede it's a second Consciousness that Fury switched to,
that just happens to be in the brain?

The "Consciousness" no?

I'd love to agree with this just to put the debate to rest. 'Cept that nothing in the scan would indicate this. In fact the choice of words by the writer:

"...and it switches its consciousness to the auxiliary nervous system in the small of its back"

...seems to point out that it is the same consciousness only a different brain. I don't know how this can be relevant to the debate, just pointing out that I can't agree with the statement (even tho, I really want to).

hmm, seems to me that she attacks an individual's PERCEPTION of spacetime. an outside observer wouldn't perceive any changes, hence it's not a temporal assault in the traditional time-manipulation sense. in that sense, it is a mental assault--it is specifically targetted at a single individual's mind, expanding their perception/consciousness beyond the point that the individual can process the influx of info.

i agree with mr m in that it is nearly identical to what jean did to mastermind--there she briefly shared her perceptual consciousness with mastermind and he was overwhelmed but what she could see. scatterbrain doesn't 'share' like phoenix did though, (scatterbrain herself lacks cosmic awareness) rather she forces someone to the overwhelmed state.) i'm also not sure i'd say she grants 'cosmic consciousness'. to me that implies some sense of control, or the ability to actually PERCEIVE what was shown. i can see WHY you'd term it such, but we also don't know just what exactly the person can percieve, even BEFORE they are overwhelmed. cosmic consciousness implies a level of knowledge that we have no evidence scatterbrain imparts.

so . . . i guess in a sense i'd say you're both right--it is a mental assault that impacts an individual's ability to perceive spacetime, expending that perception to such a degree that the individual cannot cope with the influx of information. exactly akin to what phoenix did to mastermind.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Wow, id continues to fail at trying.

And you continue to be a cheerleader.

I do cheer for you.

Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, seems to me that she attacks an individual's PERCEPTION of spacetime. an outside observer wouldn't perceive any changes, hence it's not a temporal assault in the traditional time-manipulation sense. in that sense, it is a mental assault--it is specifically targetted at a single individual's mind, expanding their perception/consciousness beyond the point that the individual can process the influx of info.

i agree with mr m in that it is nearly identical to what jean did to mastermind--there she briefly shared her perceptual consciousness with mastermind and he was overwhelmed but what she could see. scatterbrain doesn't 'share' like phoenix did though, (scatterbrain herself lacks cosmic awareness) rather she forces someone to the overwhelmed state.) i'm also not sure i'd say she grants 'cosmic consciousness'. to me that implies some sense of control, or the ability to actually PERCEIVE what was shown. i can see WHY you'd term it such, but we also don't know just what exactly the person can percieve, even BEFORE they are overwhelmed. cosmic consciousness implies a level of knowledge that we have no evidence scatterbrain imparts.

so . . . i guess in a sense i'd say you're both right--it is a mental assault that impacts an individual's ability to perceive spacetime, expending that perception to such a degree that the individual cannot cope with the influx of information. exactly akin to what phoenix did to mastermind.

Agreed. So, it's NOT an Omniversal/Temporal attack. ^_^ but a mental attack with consciousness expanding properties.