Black Adam vs Superman

Originally posted by carver9
Travel speed, I agree, combat speed, they are even. Everything else is even also and going by showing, Black Adam has the edge since he did take on the entire team of JSA.

Anyways, I give this to Superman 6/10 due to heat vision.

Aren't there examples of Superman actually deferring to Captain Marvel to catch a speedster because he has the speed of Mercury?

Adams power set comes from different gods, but they're essentially the same power set, and anything that goes for Cap should go for Adam (Outside of skill based stuff, like how they use their lightning and their combat ability..)

Originally posted by cdtm
Aren't there examples of Superman actually deferring to Captain Marvel to catch a speedster because he has the speed of Mercury?

Adams power set comes from different gods, but they're essentially the same power set, and anything that goes for Cap should go for Adam (Outside of skill based stuff, like how they use their lightning and their combat ability..)

That was KC Superman and Captain Marvel.

I know where Adams powerset comes from and Adam isnt Cap; Cap durability seems to be better than Adams.

I think Superman and Adam are peers BUT heat vision is the deciding factor in this fight (even though magic can also change this but Adam rarely uses magical punches) and that is why I am giving Supes the edge.

Originally posted by carver9
That was KC Superman and Captain Marvel.

I know where Adams powerset comes from and Adam isnt Cap; Cap durability seems to be better than Adams.

I think Superman and Adam are peers BUT heat vision is the deciding factor in this fight (even though magic can also change this but Adam rarely uses magical punches) and that is why I am giving Supes the edge.

Terresect in the head is a pretty good durability showing... And he was tanking Supermans punches in their brawl.

Originally posted by cdtm
Terresect in the head is a pretty good durability showing... And he was tanking Supermans punches in their brawl.

I know Adam isnt dropping immediately by Supermans punches, I never said that, I am giving Supes the edge due to his versatility. Without that everything else is equal to me, Superman is just more versatile and have a weapon (heat vision) that would hurt Adam. Look at how Captain Marvel react every time he is being hit by heat vision.

Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't error idiot. I spoke the truth. Either you didn't understand the english or you don't believe it. If you don't believe it then say "Scans please". But don't accuse someone of telling a mistruth when you don't know for sure.

FYI, I never said you were lying, genius. I said you were wrong. Being proven wrong and then not manning up to it affects your credibility. Try and keep up. Sheesh.

But I really shouldn't talk credibility with you, it's been looooooong too late for you to save whatever credibility you might have had with your combo to KO antics and failcomicphysics authorotah.

Originally posted by h1a8
If I said Superman moved a planet without pulling help then either I'm lying or not. I know that most of us here are comic experts and have seen just about all of the most popular characters best feats. So why would I say such a thing?

Like I said, either you're lying or not OR just plain wrong. 3 possibilities. Not 2. I guess the 3rd possibility escapes you. Not really as smart as you think you are, eh (but then again, who IS?)?

Originally posted by h1a8
Because it is true.

Superman pulled the Earth against Starbreaker by himself. GL didn't help in the PULLING. I proved this a year ago. Also He turned the wheels of mageddon by himself. He moved objects the size of moons by himself.

This is what I said

Where is the error?

If you read the rules and THRU YOUR OWN argumentation in the past, ANY kind of possible assistance (such as when you tried to disprove Thor being able to inflict the type of impact thru his hammer by stating that his Hammer helped him deal the damage by spinning/moving at FTL speeds by itself even though it's never been even implied on panel with the scans provided, remember that argumentation you made?) INVALIDATES a feat. Your OWN words. Not mine.

Now the Starbreaker feat had a GL surrounding the planet with a construct. Using NORMAL real-world physics (your OWN fail debating style, not mine), this isn't possible without some sort of gravity negation as this cause destruction on continental scale on the planetary surface. Using the same argumentation that I stated above (again, YOUR own argumentation), this isn't possible either. But let me guess. SOMEHOW even though it was NEVER explained on-panel that it was only Superman that pulled the planet and that the GL construct CONVENIENTLY did not contribute anything to the feat.

Yeah, sure. Hypocrisy much?

Originally posted by h1a8
I proved this a year ago.

You never did. Debate ended in a stalemate at best for you. THIS comment is either a lie or just plain wrong. Don't worry, I don't think you're lying. Just very delusionally wrong as always. 🙂

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
FYI, I never said you were lying, genius. I said you were wrong. Being proven wrong and then not manning up to it affects your credibility. Try and keep up. Sheesh.

But I really shouldn't talk credibility with you, it's been looooooong too late for you to save whatever credibility you might have had with your combo to KO antics and failcomicphysics authorotah.

Like I said, either you're lying or not OR just plain wrong. 3 possibilities. Not 2. I guess the 3rd possibility escapes you. Not really as smart as you think you are, eh (but then again, who IS?)?

Here is my statement, prove the error: "Superman moving planets, objects bigger than planets, flying to other galaxies in moments, etc."

If you read the rules and THRU YOUR OWN argumentation in the past, ANY kind of possible assistance (such as when you tried to disprove Thor being able to inflict the type of impact thru his hammer by stating that his Hammer helped him deal the damage by spinning/moving at FTL speeds by itself even though it's never been even implied on panel with the scans provided, remember that argumentation you made?) INVALIDATES a feat. Your OWN words. Not mine.

I never said Superman didn't have help pulling a planet. That is why I said my statement wasn't wrong. I said he didn't receive any pulling help.

Now the Starbreaker feat had a GL surrounding the planet with a construct. Using NORMAL real-world physics (your OWN fail debating style, not mine), this isn't possible without some sort of gravity negation as this cause destruction on continental scale on the planetary surface. Using the same argumentation that I stated above (again, YOUR own argumentation), this isn't possible either. But let me guess. SOMEHOW even though it was NEVER explained on-panel that it was only Superman that pulled the planet and that the GL construct CONVENIENTLY did not contribute anything to the feat.

Yeah, sure. Hypocrisy much?

The mere fact that Superman felt Starbreakers pull proves GL wasn't negating all of it (if any). Thus Superman was pulling the whole Earth along with against at least some of Starbreakers pull.

Originally posted by h1a8
Prove my statement was wrong then. Quote it exactly then prove it wrong. I dare you. Put up or shut up.

Here is my statement, prove the error: "Superman moving planets, objects bigger than planets, flying to other galaxies in moments, etc."

Nice sidestep attempt. Well, actually no. It's a pretty lousy attempt. I didn't call you out on this, quan did. AND ONLY on the first part (moving planets). You've never been able to prove that canon Supes has been able to move a planet by himself without help. The fact that he had help invalidates the feat and I simply said that you retract the portion where you stated "Superman moving planets" as this is false.

Try and keep up. You seem to be one step behind in this debate. Sheesh.

Originally posted by h1a8
Correct. Thor's hitting power is not just based off his strength but the command of Mjolnir. It moves forward with the strength of Thor. Two strengths combined. This is proved since Thor can make Mjolnir fly at any direction at will. This is how Thor actually flies. In the fight against Gladiator Thor used Mjolnir to both fly towards him and strike. Mjolnir is clearly adding power to Thor's own strenght.

It was NEVER indicated on those scans that he was specifically commanding the hammer to move or spin at FTL speeds. You can neither prove one or the other. What you have here are all base assumptions.

And so what you're saying is that SINCE Thor's hammer HAS SHOWN that it CAN go FTL speeds IF Thor commands them. Then the hammer was assisting and thus, made the feat invalid as a strength feat?

Here's a little food for thought, Mr. Wannasoundintelligent: HAS the GL rings been SHOWN to lift/push/move objects of a large, near-planetary scale? I can help you with scans if you like..

Think about it. I'm sure you'll figure it out.

Originally posted by h1a8
I never said Superman didn't have help pulling a planet. That is why I said my statement wasn't wrong. I said he didn't receive any pulling help.
Physics isn't a complete science. When I call nonsense or impossibility it is due to common sense or contradiction, not due to the known laws of physics. You can't say something is impossible if you don't know all the possible ways something can happen. Gravity can be negated (in theory) but mass cannot. It doesn't matter if there was no gravity pulling on the Earth (from Starbreaker or the sun). The fact is, to move the Earth's mass alone in a significant time takes more than 50 Earth weights of force. Adding in the Sun's gravity and Starbreaker pull it becomes astronomical. But negating those two and Superman still proved to move a planet with no pulling help.

See above.

Originally posted by h1a8
The mere fact that Superman felt Starbreakers pull proves GL wasn't negating all of it (if any). Thus Superman was pulling the whole Earth along with against at least some of Starbreakers pull.

Base assumption. He COULD have felt the pull but the extent of the pull that he was "feeling" was never indicated. You can be pulling against a car with the help of a 10-wheeler truck and "feel" some of the car's weight.

Adam

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Nice sidestep attempt. Well, actually no. It's a pretty lousy attempt. I didn't call you out on this, quan did. AND ONLY on the first part (moving planets). You've never been able to prove that canon Supes has been able to move a planet by himself without help. The fact that he had help invalidates the feat and I simply said that you retract the portion where you stated "Superman moving planets" as this is false.

Try and keep up. You seem to be one step behind in this debate. Sheesh.

It was NEVER indicated on those scans that he was specifically commanding the hammer to move or spin at FTL speeds. You can neither prove one or the other. What you have here are all base assumptions.

And so what you're saying is that SINCE Thor's hammer HAS SHOWN that it CAN go FTL speeds IF Thor commands them. Then the hammer was assisting and thus, made the feat invalid as a strength feat?

Here's a little food for thought, Mr. Wannasoundintelligent: HAS the GL rings been SHOWN to lift/push/move objects of a large, near-planetary scale? I can help you with scans if you like..

Think about it. I'm sure you'll figure it out.

Base assumption. He COULD have felt the pull but the extent of the pull that he was "feeling" was never indicated. You can be pulling against a car with the help of a 10-wheeler truck and "feel" some of the car's weight.

If both are equals physically then Superman wins due to extra powers (like HV).

But Superman is superior to BA physically (after the blocks come off) and still have the extra powers. Thus Superman wins a large majority.

Originally posted by h1a8
The statement "Superman moving planets." doesn't imply he was moving them without help. In my next post I was even specific and said Superman moved planets without Pulling help. That implies he had other help but not of the pulling kind.

Which feats are you talking about (and it better be a planet, don't be doing no sidestepping now, y'hear!)? And please PROVE he had no help.

Because all you specifically mentioned was the Starbreaker feat and he had help there.

Originally posted by h1a8
I understand. But just because it is not mentioned doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Thor hits astronomically with more power with the hammer than without. That means some extra power is being added somewhere. I believe some Thor writers believe Thor to spin the hammer by partly or wholly commanding it to spin. You never see circular motion from Thor's arm in ANY scan. Thus the hammer moves itself.
Yes the moon. But this is irrelevant to Superman having feats where he moved a planet WITHOUT PULLING HELP.

You mentioned the Starbreaker feat. And at that time, he had help from a GL construct.

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/103/supermanmovesplanetfm9.jpg

Hell, even the freakin dialogue states that they were helping EACH OTHER pull the planet.

"WE'VE got to restore the Earth's proper orbit"
"WE'VE got yo pull the planet back into place"
"Just ADD your power to mine"

Now IF you have any other feats out there with him pulling planets, be my guest and show scans.

Originally posted by h1a8
My point is that Superman was at least moving JUST the Earth alone. At best he was moving the Earth and against both the Sun's gravity and Starbreaker's force. Taking just the Earth alone and neglecting the other two forces Superman was exerting more than 50 Earth weights of force. Do you need to see the calculations? Also in the feat where him, WW, and MM move the Earth he still exerted more than 50 Earth weights of force. I can show you the calculations for that too.

I saw your BS computations. The fact that the GL construct exists and COULD have been helping him pull the planet, negate or redirect outside forces such as gravity, etc. means that this feat is nonquantifiable. Thing is, no one here can prove WHAT the exact forces existed that he was pulling against. THUS IT MAKES THIS FEAT (thru your OWN logic) INVALID as an exclusively strength feat.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Which feats are you talking about (and it better be a planet, don't be doing no sidestepping now, y'hear!)? And please PROVE he had no help.

Because all you specifically mentioned was the Starbreaker feat and he had help there.

SUPERMAN HAD HELP. IT WASN'T OF THE PULLING KIND THOUGH.

You mentioned the Starbreaker feat. And at that time, he had help from a GL construct.

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/103/supermanmovesplanetfm9.jpg

Hell, even the freakin dialogue states that they were helping EACH OTHER pull the planet.

"WE'VE got to restore the Earth's proper orbit"
"WE'VE got yo pull the planet back into place"
"Just ADD your power to mine"

I saw your BS computations. The fact that the GL construct exists and COULD have been helping him pull the planet, negate or redirect outside forces such as gravity, etc. means that this feat is nonquantifiable. Thing is, no one here can prove WHAT the exact forces existed that he was pulling against. THUS IT MAKES THIS FEAT (thru your OWN logic) INVALID as an exclusively strength feat.

A feat is quantifiable in terms of bounds if it can be proven to have a lower bound. Superman AT LEAST pulled a solo Earth. Anything unknown ADDS to this amount and doesn't take away. This is like Superman lifting a huge mountain. We don't have to know how much the mountain weighs to prove that Superman lifted more than a tank weight (65tons). At most he pulled a solo Earth against Sun's gravity and Starbreaker's pull. Superman pulling the Earth without those two other forces (just Earth's mass alone) has a minimal need of 50 Earth weights of force.

BA

Originally posted by Black bolt z
BA

How? Assuming they are near equals in the physical department Superman still have more powers. We've already seen what HV can do to BA.

with out pis black adam would dodge the hv

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
with out pis black adam would dodge the hv

Not if Superman incorporates it in his attacks. For example Superman can punch/kick and HV at the same time. Or grapple with BA while blasting him with HV.

Originally posted by h1a8
Not if Superman incorporates it in his attacks. For example Superman can punch/kick and HV at the same time. Or grapple with BA while blasting him with HV.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When has Superman done what you just described?

heat visioned while punching/kicking/charging? against plenty of people.

Originally posted by -Pr-
heat visioned while punching/kicking/charging? against plenty of people.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When has Superman done what you just described?