Thanos vs Galactus

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Originally posted by Utrigita
Yeah please laugh Leonidas 🙂

My case is that Galactus have a stronger Telepathic assault then Thanos' defenses can withstand.

I asked a question and wanted it elaborated not because the question didn't suit me but because I saw it more as Willpower then telepathic skill a misunderstanding on my part possibly. And No now you are doing a great job of misunderstanding the question, I asked if those People that you mentioned that can lower their defenses is also capable of entering the Astral plan if they are asked too do it?

He can and has easily left when things didn't go his way. Galactus also commented on Thanos' own survival based on this.

Originally posted by Tenebrous
By "chains" I was speaking metaphorically about the machines into which Thanos had placed him and the SS.

Thanos was attempting to free Galactus and specifically was preparing to teleport away as soon as Galactus were freed. I don't have the scan as my desktop harddrive crashed some months ago but it is there.

Of course, before he actually finished freeing Galactus, he was killed. Nevertheless, his intent and wariness over Galactus was clearly stated.

Thanos wasn't going to be around when the shit hit the fan. Why would he be? Galactus is far more powerful than Thanos and had been busy studying him while in captivity. That's Thanos being smart.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos can easily leave this playing field as he did so. Galactus also explained that it's better for Thanos there than it is in reality further proving it's out of character for him to attack Thanos in this manner.

Moondragon isn't in this fight. Furthermore Galactus stated it's better for Thanos on the astral plane because many of Galactus' powers can't be brought to bear on the astral plane...there's no reference whatsoever to Thanos having impressive TP defences.

We know this because he was on the way to being KILLED before being evacuated by Moondragon

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos wasn't going to be around when the shit hit the fan. Why would he be? Galactus is far more powerful than Thanos and had been busy studying him while in captivity. That's Thanos being smart.

Fear and caution are not mutually exclusive

Originally posted by Tenebrous
Moondragon isn't in this fight. Furthermore Galactus stated it's better for Thanos on the astral plane because many of Galactus' powers can't be brought to bear on the astral plane...there's no reference whatsoever to Thanos having impressive TP defences.

We know this because he was on the way to being KILLED before being evacuated by Moondragon

I never said she was. I merely brought up the fact that even Galactus agrees with me. It's in character for him to destroy Thanos in reality.

What? Are you kidding me? He may not be up to Galactus' level but he was close enough to overwhelming him albeit briefly, but come on. Thanos left when he wanted to. Gaalctus didn't re -engage him he sent someone else to do his dirty work for him.

Originally posted by Tenebrous
Fear and caution are not mutually exclusive
It seems that my scans put to death your wild claims and your cbrish type fight.

Originally posted by Tenebrous
Of course, before he actually finished freeing Galactus, he was killed. Nevertheless, his intent and wariness over Galactus was clearly stated.

Ah, yes, of course. And during Infinity War, I believe, Thanos also demonstrated his prudence by shutting the help up when Galactus told him to.

Doesn't mean he'd beat him with the Power Gem, though. Just my opinion. I mean hell, Warlock with just the Power Gem took down a fully prepped, fully talismanned (is that a word?) Classic Strange pretty easily.

And before sneering at that (I admit, the defense seems weak), recall that a fully prepped Classic Doc would make someone like Galactus look foolish. And G is dealing with someone here who both tactically intelligence-wise and power-wise makes Classic Doc look like a scrub.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok, there was a barrier linked specifically to the surfer's powers. Then Galactus upon knowing of the power cosmic trying to escape the power through Doom halted him via astral projection. I won't deny this as something he can do as I had forgotten about this when doom stole his powers. The point is while this may easily take out Doom he has proven he cannot easily do so to Thanos. Thanos evaded him and quite easily I might add after his psychic attack failed. Thanos>Doom.

The point is that just because you can attack someone on the psychic plane that doesn't mean you cannot be defeated in doing so or not be evaded. Thanos defeated moondragon before and Galactus was getting the better of Thanos here.

Thanos can easily leave this playing field as he did so. Galactus also explained that it's better for Thanos there than it is in reality further proving it's out of character for him to attack Thanos in this manner.

I hadn't seen him do so prior to this and unlike tenebrous at least you back up your claims.

Yes, he will still take him on in reality despite his ca which had him powering Tyrant up and trying to overpower him with raw tech.

Thanos can leave the astral plane very easily and unlike Doom he can't freeze him in place.

When Drax was busy being dumb yes, but the guy isn't exactly a road scholar and Thanos won't have it in the pit of his stomach and actually will consciously tap into it as opposed to subconsciously.

So now you want to cite pis as all you have to do is teleport it away despite Thanos ability to teleport entire backgrounds and Strange's resume?

You need to back up your claim that Galactus can easily teleport the power gem away from Thanos.

Doom at that point of time didn't have the Surfers power iirc. He mentions the explosion that he sets off the incident you are refering to is probably this one.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Energy%20manipulation/misc/SilverSurfer-LTM02-18.jpg
The main point that the Thanos have presented throughout this entire discussion was either that Galactus couldn't draw people onto the Astral Plan ore attack him with Telepathic because that wasn't in his character, We now have four seperate incidents where Galactus have been the attacking part with his telepathic abilities either through the Astral Projection ore telepathic Bolts. True but the force bubble that Doom was trapped in I would like to see Thanos break, another incident of a stasisfield the third so far.

True but that is the Astral Plan, a Telepathic assault is if I understand it correctly much more difficult to withstand. That is correct hence I see no reason why he shouldn't do so again, and this time they are located infront of each other, nothing stops Galactus from either telepathic assaulting Thanos ore drawing Thanos onto the Astral Plan if Thanos should escape the first time the second time the third etc, it will wear down Thanos.

Thanos left the playingfield when he was the part inviting and with Moondragon in as backup. It's true that when Galactus was blasted across the planet by Thanos he teleported back and stomped Thanos with a energyblast, however to suggest that Galactus would also do it when Thanos have the power gem is to again disregard what we know of Galactus, Do you think Galactus has less located inside the skull then Drax?

The CA should be commen knowledge Q, what you have been debating so far is the Thanos encounter so no additionel scans have been required since all parties knew what was being discussed.

I have already mention numeroues times in other threads that I find the entire encounter Laughable, inconsistant and highly inlogical given the circumstances concerning the fight.

While it's correct that Thanos can leave the Astral Plan when Moondragon was acting as his Phone, he couldn't singlehandedly leave Thor's WM mind he needed the assistance of the others that was trapped aswell and Galactus Telepathic Skills far outweights those that Thor can present, I see no reason to believe that Thanos can withstand a prolonged Telepathic Assault by Galactus.

Whether ore Not Drax was being Dumb he still lost it in a physical confrontation to Thor. I'm fully aware of what Thanos will do with the Power Gem, However IIRC did Thanos even utilize the Power Gem a single time to amp his own attributes in his battle with the Elders over the gems?

No, I wouldn't I asked if they even tried it, if they didn't I see no reason why they shouldn't try it, and again Galactus can as Tenebrous claimed on already the first Page I believe Trap Thanos in a forcefield if that is what he desires.

Cool Galactus teleporting First Taa II to War World
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Energy%20manipulation/misc/SecretWars005-02.jpg
and then Galactus is teleporting a Galaxy.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Energy%20manipulation/misc/rom02721vt0.jpg
Teleporting Reed.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Energy%20manipulation/misc/SecretWars09-12.jpg

Now unless you are suggesting that the Power Gem is somehow immune to Teleportation ore is somehow to large a object for Galactus to Teleport I see no reason why this isn't a useable Tactic for Galactus, ore unless you want a scan of something else.

Originally posted by Enyalus
And before sneering at that (I admit, the defense seems weak), recall that a fully prepped Classic Doc would make someone like Galactus look foolish. And G is dealing with someone here who both tactically intelligence-wise and power-wise makes Classic Doc look like a scrub.

What incident are you refering to Enyalus?

Originally posted by Utrigita
Doom at that point of time didn't have the Surfers power iirc. He mentions the explosion that he sets off the incident you are refering to is probably this one.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Energy%20manipulation/misc/SilverSurfer-LTM02-18.jpg
The main point that the Thanos have presented throughout this entire discussion was either that Galactus couldn't draw people onto the Astral Plan ore attack him with Telepathic because that wasn't in his character, We now have four seperate incidents where Galactus have been the attacking part with his telepathic abilities either through the Astral Projection ore telepathic Bolts. True but the force bubble that Doom was trapped in I would like to see Thanos break, another incident of a stasisfield the third so far.

True but that is the Astral Plan, a Telepathic assault is if I understand it correctly much more difficult to withstand. That is correct hence I see no reason why he shouldn't do so again, and this time they are located infront of each other, nothing stops Galactus from either telepathic assaulting Thanos ore drawing Thanos onto the Astral Plan if Thanos should escape the first time the second time the third etc, it will wear down Thanos.

Thanos left the playingfield when he was the part inviting and with Moondragon in as backup. It's true that when Galactus was blasted across the planet by Thanos he teleported back and stomped Thanos with a energyblast, however to suggest that Galactus would also do it when Thanos have the power gem is to again disregard what we know of Galactus, Do you think Galactus has less located inside skull then Drax?

The CA should be commen knowledge Q, what you have been debating so far is the Thanos encounter so no additionel scans have been required since all parties knew what was being discussed.

I have already mention numeroues times in other threads that I find the entire encounter Laughable, inconsistant and highly inlogical given the circumstances concerning the fight.

While it's correct that Thanos can leave the Astral Plan when Moondragon was acting as his Phone, he couldn't singlehandedly leave Thor's WM mind he needed the assistance of the others that was trapped aswell and Galactus Telepathic Skills far outweights those that Thor can present, I see no reason to believe that Thanos can withstand a prolonged Telepathic Assault by Galactus.

Whether ore Not Drax was being Dumb he still lost it in a physical confrontation to Thor. I'm fully aware of what Thanos will do with the Power Gem, However IIRC did Thanos even utilize the Power Gem a single time to amp his own attributes in his battle with the Elders over the gems?

No, I wouldn't I asked if they even tried it, if they didn't I see no reason why they shouldn't try it, and again Galactus can as Tenebrous claimed on already the first Page I believe Trap Thanos in a forcefield if that is what he desires.

Cool Galactus teleporting First Taa II to War World
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Energy%20manipulation/misc/SecretWars005-02.jpg
and then Galactus is teleporting a Galaxy.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Energy%20manipulation/misc/rom02721vt0.jpg
Teleporting Reed.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Energy%20manipulation/misc/SecretWars09-12.jpg

Now unless you are suggesting that the Power Gem is somehow immune to Teleportation ore is somehow to large a object for Galactus to Teleport I see no reason why this isn't a useable Tactic for Galactus, ore unless you want a scan of something else.

I'd need to reread this comic. i read a reprint I believe years ago of Doom stealing the Surfer's powers and thought that scan was from it.

Galactus already engaged Thanos in tp battle and it was nothing like Doom's experience. You cannot substitute Doom for Thanos just because it helps your argument despite the fact we already have an example of these two meeting on the astral plane. Thanos easily exits. That's it.

Again, even according to his own words this isn't in Galactus' best interests when dealing with Thanos. Thanos can also easily exit.

Galactus was also ignorant enough to release Hunger and tired blasting it into nothingness. Thanos had to orchestrate his death despite Galactus' ca. Galactus is arrogant and foolishly believes himself to be above Thanos despite Thanos helping defeat the Hunger while Galactus was the fool who released him. Galactus despite your random scans blasts things into submission including Thanos.

Thanos can easily leave the astral plane when he wants to anyways. The sheer bulk of Galactus' appearances support my view of what he does in character.

How is ca common knowledge? Even so the guy has looked like an absolute moron when dealing with Tyrant and the Hunger just to name a few.

You want to dismiss something you don't like. I don't. That's the difference between us.

Drax lost the gem when he had it in his stomach. When tapping into it he was unbeatable against Thor. Context.

Thanos did leave, but this has nothing to do with his interaction with Galactus. Nothing. He left in both occasions. Thanos will start this battle with the intent to kill and will immediately bring the heat.

He didn't have to.

Again, many other characters have the ability to teleport and the pg isn't the size of galaxies so what's the point of these scans?

Many diffferent characters with the ability to teleport came into contact with Thor so provide proof it's this easy.

Originally posted by Utrigita
What incident are you refering to Enyalus?

When Warlock was holding the Infinity Gauntlet and Doctor Strange challenged him. He used one gem at a time to make his point to Strange. Similar to when Thanos used each gem to make his point to Surfer and Drax...and also to Quasar in a different book, I think.

Ummmmmm what good is teleporting someone who can also teleport

Let me ask you this Tene and Utri.... For the sake whether G would do this or that... IF IF

Big G fits in character like usual and decides to blast Thanos with the PG and his Tech Shields and go toe to toe with him to you believe Thanos would come out on top? I mean we clearly see a normal health Galactus blasted Thanos and comment that he's never seen a tougher shield to get through and clearly it weakened him that he needed to feed. If he tries that again do you at least concede that Thanos would come out on top? I'm not talking about other abilities Big G has that could make this a good fight or give him some wins. I already stated Big G could employ other methods. However, it is very likely that he will do what he usually does and has done with Thanos and others and blast them. We agree that is his normal tactic. So, if he does.. Does Thanos win?

Originally posted by Utrigita
Yeah please laugh Leonidas 🙂

My case is that Galactus have a stronger Telepathic assault then Thanos' defenses can withstand.

I asked a question and wanted it elaborated not because the question didn't suit me but because I saw it more as Willpower then telepathic skill a misunderstanding on my part possibly. And No now you are doing a great job of misunderstanding the question, I asked if those People that you mentioned that can lower their defenses is also capable of entering the Astral plan if they are asked too do it?

ahh, then i may have misundersood where you were going. my apologies if i did so.

anyway, i did answer your final question--i believe sage was capable of astral travel. magik (lilandra) could also travel astrally but had next to no other offensive tp skills. she was also immune to tp altogether.

i'm not sure it would be prudent for g to take the battle to the astral realm though. it seems the difefrence in power level between thanos and g is LESS on the astral plane because as tene said, g can't bring all his powers to bear. if he didn't feel he could overwhelm thanos on the ground FIRST, i could see him resorting to tp though. i'm still not convinced the power wouldn't amp thanos's tp though. were that NOT the case, strange and all his gizmos could have simply mindraped adam instead of battling him directly. speculation, but it seems to make sense.

i also don't think the gem can be teleported. thanos's tech is VERY uber, and yet he had to go around and physically gather the gems. galactus also had to gather them even when he knew where they were. if it could be teleported, all odin had to do was teleport it from thor. eternity would never have had to worry because HE could simply have teleported the gem from thor as well. maybe that's just PIS, but based on the evidence, no way the gem could be teleported away, imo.

the only way g gets a sure win here i think is if he utterly overwhelms thanos from the beginning of the fight before he can really amp himself with the gem.

Tech shielding would still get toasted.

Now, Thanos' own energy shielding...Big G isn't getting through that when it's backed by the Gem.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Tech shielding would still get toasted.

Now, Thanos' own energy shielding...Big G isn't getting through that when it's backed by the Gem.

Of course it would as he already has. However, the point is it drained Big G just to get through that and he needed to feed.

Originally posted by leonidas
ahh, then i may have misundersood where you were going. my apologies if i did so.

anyway, i did answer your final question--i believe sage was capable of astral travel. magik (lilandra) could also travel astrally but had next to no other offensive tp skills. she was also immune to tp altogether.

i'm not sure it would be prudent for g to take the battle to the astral realm though. it seems the difefrence in power level between thanos and g is LESS on the astral plane because as tene said, g can't bring all his powers to bear. if he didn't feel he could overwhelm thanos on the ground FIRST, i could see him resorting to tp though. i'm still not convinced the power wouldn't amp thanos's tp though. were that NOT the case, strange and all his gizmos could have simply mindraped adam instead of battling him directly. speculation, but it seems to make sense.

i also don't think the gem can be teleported. thanos's tech is VERY uber, and yet he had to go around and physically gather the gems. galactus also had to gather them even when he knew where they were. if it could be teleported, all odin had to do was teleport it from thor. eternity would never have had to worry because HE could simply have teleported the gem from thor as well. maybe that's just PIS, but based on the evidence, no way the gem could be teleported away, imo.

the only way g gets a sure win here i think is if he utterly overwhelms thanos from the beginning of the fight before he can really amp himself with the gem.

Mostly true and good points Leo. I do happen to believe it amps his TP abilities but that is neither here nor there. Point is with Big G using everything at his disposal he could certainly get some wins. With Big G fighting IN character like his typical arrogant self he gets blasted over and over again imo.

On another note I think how long Thanos has the PG first is the key. If he's had it for awhile and gotten used to it and tapped into it he can win this. If he JUST gets it and dropped into battle I think he losses more the wins.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
On another note I think how long Thanos has the PG first is the key. If he's had it for awhile and gotten used to it and tapped into it he can win this. If he JUST gets it and dropped into battle I think he losses more the wins.

i mostly agree. if he just gets the gem and he has no real time to access it, g could end him. if he gets a little time to amp his shields, the battle turns dramatically.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I'd need to reread this comic. i read a reprint I believe years ago of Doom stealing the Surfer's powers and thought that scan was from it.

Galactus already engaged Thanos in tp battle and it was nothing like Doom's experience. You cannot substitute Doom for Thanos just because it helps your argument despite the fact we already have an example of these two meeting on the astral plane. Thanos easily exits. That's it.

Again, even according to his own words this isn't in Galactus' best interests when dealing with Thanos. Thanos can also easily exit.

Galactus was also ignorant enough to release Hunger and tired blasting it into nothingness. Thanos had to orchestrate his death despite Galactus' ca. Galactus is arrogant and foolishly believes himself to be above Thanos despite Thanos helping defeat the Hunger while Galactus was the fool who released him. Galactus despite your random scans blasts things into submission including Thanos.

Thanos can easily leave the astral plane when he wants to anyways. The sheer bulk of Galactus' appearances support my view of what he does in character.

How is ca common knowledge? Even so the guy has looked like an absolute moron when dealing with Tyrant and the Hunger just to name a few.

You want to dismiss something you don't like. I don't. That's the difference between us.

Drax lost the gem when he had it in his stomach. When tapping into it he was unbeatable against Thor. Context.

Thanos did leave, but this has nothing to do with his interaction with Galactus. Nothing. He left in both occasions. Thanos will start this battle with the intent to kill and will immediately bring the heat.

He didn't have to.

Again, many other characters have the ability to teleport and the pg isn't the size of galaxies so what's the point of these scans?

Many diffferent characters with the ability to teleport came into contact with Thor so provide proof it's this easy.

Not to my knowledge no.

Not entirely true, it was Thanos that engaged Galactus, not the other way around, it was however Thanos that ran for his life because he knew that staying would result in his immidiate death. I'm not, I brought up the incident because it showed a incident where Galactus by his own free will went to the Astral Plan in order to deal with a Problem, I then recalled that prior in this Thread some discussion about Galactus trapping Thanos in a forcefield had taken place, I mentioned that now we have Three seperate incidents where Galactus utilized a forcefield/stasisfield against opponents. I'm fully aware of that Thanos can teleport out of the bubble that Doom was trapped in.

Not Regular Thanos no, Blasting, transmuting teleporting etc, would then be the most likely for Galactus to do against Thanos, however this isn't regular Thanos, somehow I feel you are forgetting that along with forgetting that Galactus has Cosmic Awareness, this is entirely disregarding the rules that they begin their battle with basic knowledge of the combatents, in this case I think basic knowlegde would be the fact that Thanos have the Power Gem, then again to suggest that Galactus will blast him like a moron is again thinking that Galactus doesn't have a Brain the size of a peanut.

Which was initially the right way to do it, The First Blasts succeeded in harming Hunger, According to Thanos IIRC the scan correctly it weakened Hunger enough to destroy it with the explosion brought up by the power of two colliding planets, unless you think that Galactus blasts < Planetary collision. I for one doesn't when you see how the Silver Surfer can tank a Supernova and get oneshotted by Galactus. And to suggest that Galactus will attack a being with the Power Gem with Energy Blast given Galactus knowlegde about the gems is to imo force into this debate Plot Induced Stupidity. Another thing entirely is what supports that Thanos can redirect the energy blast by Galactus? I know that the power gem reversed Strange and Silver Surfers attack, but have it ever reversed a attack that is like a million times stronger then Surfers?

Can you provide me with a single incident where Thanos have helped himself to the Astral Plan and exited it too, especially the exited part? The number of times where he deploys energy blast against his opponents? Actually you will find that the majority of those blast against lesser opponents are meant to either transmute them ore Teleport them, few are meant to just damage them like the Blast Galactus fired of against Thanos did.

Are you asking me whether ore not it's commen knowledge that Galactus has the Cosmic Awarness even though he has displayed it on several occasions??? I'm well aware of that, that is why in the Tyrant discussion have been the source of many arguments on the board, and Hunger succeeded in cheating Galactus, because it both managed to influence Galactus and his tech.

What exactly am I dismissing? Thanos couldn't singlehanded leave WM's Thors mind, and on the interaction with Galactus, Thanos had moondragon acting as the phone, you can easily post the scan where Moondragon and Thanos link up, if you somehow think that it doesn't support my argument.

So now you are claiming that he didn't tap into it when it was located in his stomach? Did he eat it willingly? You have provided me with Context I'm providing context that have another view then yours.

Sorry what? Thanos left the first interaction with Galactus because he was about to get killed, the second interaction nearly ended Thanos as well, in both cases it most certainly had something to do with Galactus. And exactly why wouldn't Galactus use his Cosmic Awareness, analyse the situation with his knowledge on the Power Gem and act accordingly? Because the Thanos bench for some reason think that Galactus have the brain the size of a peanut.

So we have no idea how Thanos will utilize the Gem in this battle? Great...

As mentioned above the power that Galactus can put into his teleporting > the power the combined heroes that meet Thor could.

Then providing a incident where one tried to teleport the Power Gem and failed should be rather easy Quanchi because else PIS seems like the most obvious choice to why they all suddenly forgot that they could teleport objects.

Originally posted by Enyalus
When Warlock was holding the Infinity Gauntlet and Doctor Strange challenged him. He used one gem at a time to make his point to Strange. Similar to when Thanos used each gem to make his point to Surfer and Drax...and also to Quasar in a different book, I think.

I was thinking the Galactus vs Classic Doctor Doom part.