Thanos vs Galactus

Originally posted by Tenebrous
You're comparing Thanos' mental capabilities to Galactus'? Moreover, that Thor was WM, emphasis on Madness.

What's Thanos' moniker again? The Mad Titan?

Originally posted by Tenebrous
Let's not ignore the fact that Thanos blatantly stated on my scan that Galactus' TP was beyond him.

And that's about that.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When has Galactus ever taken an unwilling participant to the astral plane? I put up the scans and still people are using this misrepresented scene.

You can't easily teleport the power gem away or else Thanos, Strange, et.l would easily have done so to Thor.

Galactus has used his Astral Projection to immidiate intercept Doom when he set of a explosion that reacted to the Shield placed around the earth by Galactus, a second incident was against Terrax where Galactus either levels what was around Thanos ore draws his to the Astral Plan, either way that was one Telepathic Bolt from Galactus was enough. Two incidents where Galactus used his Astral Projection to directly attack/intercept a being have been brought forward wasn't that what you wanted? Furthermore you are to some extent either deliberately ore unknowingly ignoring your own scans, Moondragon clearly stats that someone in the past have tried a Psychic Defense against Galactus, so while Galactus haven't directly drawn people into the Astral Plan, we know (according to Moondragon) that Galactus have attacked people with his mind alone before this incident.

And those people certainly have the same level of teleporting objects as Galactus right? Please show me when Thanos ore Strange moved a Galaxy I'm curious. I also recall numerous people stating that the power gems wield can't be physical overpowered yet I recall that exact situation Happening to Drax when he fought WM Thor.

Originally posted by Enyalus

Stated blatantly, for real? 'Cause I all I saw was "Galactus exhibited telepathic skills never before in evidence." Which, you know, would be the standard response to someone who had never seen Galactus use any TP whatsoever before.

And that's about that. [/B]

Yet Thanos was fully aware of the fact that Galactus had Telepathic skills, else Thanos wouldn't have asked Galactus to lower his defenses and come to the Astral Plan would he?

i've been enjoying all this too much to really weigh in on it, but i'll be damned if quan hasn't run wild in this thread. 😂

he's right--it would be hard enough for g to overpower thanos without actually taking him to a place where thanos is even HARDER to kill (and that from g's own mouth).

and it's fully possible for someone to have crazy-uber psi defenses, but not be particularly (or at all) potent with offensive psi powers. logan is a perfect example, as are the new gods. even thor has strong natural defenses.

Originally posted by leonidas
and it's fully possible for someone to have crazy-uber psi defenses, but not be particularly (or at all) potent with offensive psi powers. logan is a perfect example, as are the new gods. even thor has strong natural defenses.

And they can raise and lower those defenses as they see fit?

Originally posted by Utrigita
And they can raise and lower those defenses as they see fit?

yes. at least some can, to some extent. sage is an example. wolverine can do something similar. he CAN consciously lessen his defenses to let someone in. if logan doesn't want you in his mind, it's hell getting in, but people like charlie who have been ALLOWED access can roam around to some degree. free reign? no, but still, logan's agreement is essential.

another example that comes immediately to mind is sue storm--she allowed psi-lord access to her mind at one point during the malice nonsense.

so, yes, to your question. at least in some cases.

Originally posted by leonidas
yes. at least some can, to some extent. sage is an example. wolverine can do something similar. he CAN consciously lessen his defenses to let someone in. if logan doesn't want you in his mind, it's hell getting in, but people like charlie who have been ALLOWED access can roam around to some degree. free reign? no, but still, logan's agreement is essential.

another example that comes immediately to mind is sue storm--she allowed psi-lord access to her mind at one point during the malice nonsense.

so, yes, to your question. at least in some cases.

So those you mentioned can lower their defenses and then blink their eyes and then be present on the Astral Plan?

And Thanos have mindread Sue Storm effortlessly on other occasion.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Galactus has used his Astral Projection to immidiate intercept Doom when he set of a explosion that reacted to the Shield placed around the earth by Galactus, a second incident was against Terrax where Galactus either levels what was around Thanos ore draws his to the Astral Plan, either way that was one Telepathic Bolt from Galactus was enough. Two incidents where Galactus used his Astral Projection to directly attack/intercept a being have been brought forward wasn't that what you wanted? Furthermore you are to some extent either deliberately ore unknowingly ignoring your own scans, Moondragon clearly stats that someone in the past have tried a Psychic Defense against Galactus, so while Galactus haven't directly drawn people into the Astral Plan, we know (according to Moondragon) that Galactus have attacked people with his mind alone before this incident.

And those people certainly have the same level of teleporting objects as Galactus right? Please show me when Thanos ore Strange moved a Galaxy I'm curious. I also recall numerous people stating that the power gems wield can't be physical overpowered yet I recall that exact situation Happening to Drax when he fought WM Thor.

It's not the same thing as far as you are describing. I need to see the scans or an issue where he intercepted Doom. I'm not implying you aren't right but I've been burned in the past when I take someone at their word.

I never said he doesn't have psychic defenses. Not one time so you are getting confused as to what I am saying. I am saying it isn't in character for Galactus to do so and especially against Thanos as he himself agreed it's beneficial for Thanos as opposed to having an encounter in reality. Thanos was almost killed by a single blast. This also further supports my stance. Thanos left when his attack failed and galactus didn't just re-summon him. I have more than proved my case.

What does moving a galaxy have to do with teleporting the pg away from it's user? I mean seriously. Eternity acted like Thor would be a threat to even himself had Thor continued to run around unchecked but all he has to do is teleport the gem away? 😂

First off he wasn't in the state of warrior madness and second off.

Pwned.

Originally posted by Utrigita
So those you mentioned can lower their defenses and then blink their eyes and then be present on the Astral Plan?

And Thanos have mindread Sue Storm effortlessly on other occasion.

😂

i already know thanos has strong tp. stronger than sue's defenses, i guess. so what?

you asked a question and didn't like the answer. my claim was that people CAN possess strong defenses but NOT powerful offenses. i proved that with several examples, now you're changing the question and asking if those people ALSO show strong offensive potential. nice.

anyway, to answer this NEW point, of those i mentioned i think sage might be able to travel the astral plane, but her offensive tp is still (or was at one point) very weak.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I'd like a scan or an issue number referring to the doom incident as I am not familiar with it. Sending a tp bolt isn't the same as taking someone and placing them inside the astral plane. Moondragon lost via mental war before with Thanos and she helped set this whole meeting up. That is another example of someone else initiating a mental war and losing. That doesn't mean Thanos runs around participating in mind wars, does it?

It's not the same thing as far as you are describing. I need to see the scans or an issue where he intercepted Doom. I'm not implying you aren't right but I've been burned in the past when I take someone at their word.

I never said he doesn't have psychic defenses. Not one time so you are getting confused as to what I am saying. I am saying it isn't in character for Galactus to do so and especially against Thanos as he himself agreed it's beneficial for Thanos as opposed to having an encounter in reality. Thanos was almost killed by a single blast. This also further supports my stance. Thanos left when his attack failed and galactus didn't just re-summon him. I have more than proved my case.

What does moving a galaxy have to do with teleporting the pg away from it's user? I mean seriously. Eternity acted like Thor would be a threat to even himself had Thor continued to run around unchecked but all he has to do is teleport the gem away? 😂

First off he wasn't in the state of warrior madness and second off.

Pwned.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Mind%20and%20Senses/Daredevil037-17.jpg

It was still a Astral Projection of Galactus and a example of Galactus using his telepathic abilities offensively against a (at that time) enemy. And why exactly is that important to the debate Quanchi? Does it show that Thanos by himself is incapable of entering the Astral Plan? Ore does it show that Thanos needed Moondragons help to stand a chance? Please what relevance does the fact that Moondragon acted as the phone have on this debate? As mentioned we know have two (three) seperate incidents where Galactus have used his Telepathy to engage Opponents, unless you want to argue that Thanos Telepathic Abilities surpass those of Galactus, then it have been shown that Galactus can if he will engage a opponent with his telepathic skills.

Whether ore not my describtion fit, it still shows that Galactus can and has engaged people with his Telepathic, to then go a step further and suggest that he can't draw people into the Astral Plan when he effortlessly owned and restored and entirely dominated Professor Xavier when he was on the astral plan is a far reach imo.

No I'm not confused the slightest, According to Moondragon Someone (we doesn't get a name) in the past (could have been 10.000 years ago) tried to defend themselves from Galactus by utilizing Telepathy now you can either look at it as a battle on the astral plan ore purely mind vs mind, but either way Galactus won as the attacking part. There is now three seperate incidents where Galactus have utilized either his Astral Form ore his Telepathy either to damage ore restore, that you are under the belief that Galactus will begin Blasting Thanos like a mindless Brute when he knows what Thanos have in his possession is imo a entire miscalculation of Galactus as a character imo. So instead of pulling engaging him in a mindbattle where Galactus almost killed him, you think he will just begin Blasting away, even though Galactus have cosmic Awareness and to avoid a little shout that "Galactus doesn't have Cosmic Awareness" ore the like, Secret wars (and If I read the the link correctly Volume 7 page 13 and again in Volume 10 page 6 and then in Dazzler Volume 11 page 4.

That the force which can be applied to the teleport is much greater in Galactus case then either Thanos ore Doctor Strange could produce... Did they even try, ofcause not that would have wreaked the plot, but did they try? And SS have defeated a being that could be a threat to the reality itself, the amount of beings that can destroy the universe ore cause damage to it seem to increase by the day.

Then under what Circumstances did he get it Quanchi? I recall Thor hitting Drax in the stomach and then the Power Gem popped out from Drax's mouth, but I'm sure you will provide the context. 🙂

Originally posted by Enyalus
Stated blatantly, for real? 'Cause I all I saw was "Galactus exhibited telepathic skills never before in evidence." Which, you know, would be the standard response to someone who had never seen Galactus use any TP whatsoever before.

And that's about that.

No, absolutely not.

"Galactus exhibited telepathic skills never before in evidence" would be the standard response to someone who had never seen that level of skill before. Galactus has used TP before Thanos and it was quite clear that Thanos was afraid of Galactus' TP, as referenced by "that makes you a liability" in reference to Moondragon.

If Thanos were really saying "I've never seen Galactus use TP whatsoever before" his reaction should be more surprise. Instead, he clearly is concerned about the level of skill, as he banishes Moondragon from his starship without a word on the very next page, and she does not appear for the rest of the series.

So Thanos merely felt Surprise? Not at all. There was some surprise there, but that is clearly trumped by his feelings of trepidation.

And that, is that.

Originally posted by leonidas
😂

i already know thanos has strong tp. stronger than sue's defenses, i guess. so what?

you asked a question and didn't like the answer. my claim was that people CAN possess strong defenses but NOT powerful offenses. i proved that with several examples, now you're changing the question and asking if those people ALSO show strong offensive potential. nice.

anyway, to answer this NEW point, of those i mentioned i think sage might be able to travel the astral plane, but her offensive tp is still (or was at one point) very weak.

Yeah please laugh Leonidas 🙂

My case is that Galactus have a stronger Telepathic assault then Thanos' defenses can withstand.

I asked a question and wanted it elaborated not because the question didn't suit me but because I saw it more as Willpower then telepathic skill a misunderstanding on my part possibly. And No now you are doing a great job of misunderstanding the question, I asked if those People that you mentioned that can lower their defenses is also capable of entering the Astral plan if they are asked too do it?

Originally posted by leonidas
he's right--it would be hard enough for g to overpower thanos without actually taking him to a place where thanos is even HARDER to kill (and that from g's own mouth).

Where do you get that?

Originally posted by Tenebrous
So Thanos merely felt Surprise? Not at all. There was some surprise there, but that is clearly trumped by his feelings of trepidation.

And still, there's the Power Gem to contend with. It and the Titan's own formidable psychic defenses.

Originally posted by Tenebrous
Where do you get that?

Read the scans Quan posted. By Big G own words it's even harder to kill Thanos on the Astral Plan and when Thanos saw he coudn't win he just effortless left. Big G didn't try and keep him there and even said it was harder to kill him there and yet you think he will employ that tactic.

Furthermore, as I clearly stated before they have to fight IN character that is IN THE RULES. Galactus when he faces off with someone does he take them to the Astral plan or blast away more? We all know the answer. It is IN CHARACTER for him to try and blast Thanos away. It's not IN character to take him to the astral plane. Yes they fight to their full potential but in character. Big G when facing someone one v. one how many times has he taken them to the Astral Plan. It better be sometimes to fight your argument. The fact is it hasn't happened or if it has maybe once or twice. That is hardly in character and especially considering by his own words it is harder to kill Thanos there and yet your "tactician" theory says he'll take him there.... Doubtful

Originally posted by Enyalus
Indeed. He clearly felt Moondragon was out of her league, and told her so. 😛 He's clearly not intimidated by Galactus, because he stands over him and lectures him about the folly of his ways, etc etc, at the very end of the arc, when Galactus is no more than a dozen feet away.

And still, there's the Power Gem to contend with. It and the Titan's own formidable psychic defenses.

Yes, when he's looming over Galactus after Starlin's "60% chance of survival" nuclear explosion.

The same Thanos that ran after Galactus was unleashed from his chains in Annihilation.

Originally posted by Utrigita
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Mind%20and%20Senses/Daredevil037-17.jpg

It was still a Astral Projection of Galactus and a example of Galactus using his telepathic abilities offensively against a (at that time) enemy. And why exactly is that important to the debate Quanchi? Does it show that Thanos by himself is incapable of entering the Astral Plan? Ore does it show that Thanos needed Moondragons help to stand a chance? Please what relevance does the fact that Moondragon acted as the phone have on this debate? As mentioned we know have two (three) seperate incidents where Galactus have used his Telepathy to engage Opponents, unless you want to argue that Thanos Telepathic Abilities surpass those of Galactus, then it have been shown that Galactus can if he will engage a opponent with his telepathic skills.

Whether ore not my describtion fit, it still shows that Galactus can and has engaged people with his Telepathic, to then go a step further and suggest that he can't draw people into the Astral Plan when he effortlessly owned and restored and entirely dominated Professor Xavier when he was on the astral plan is a far reach imo.

No I'm not confused the slightest, According to Moondragon Someone (we doesn't get a name) in the past (could have been 10.000 years ago) tried to defend themselves from Galactus by utilizing Telepathy now you can either look at it as a battle on the astral plan ore purely mind vs mind, but either way Galactus won as the attacking part. There is now three seperate incidents where Galactus have utilized either his Astral Form ore his Telepathy either to damage ore restore, that you are under the belief that Galactus will begin Blasting Thanos like a mindless Brute when he knows what Thanos have in his possession is imo a entire miscalculation of Galactus as a character imo. So instead of pulling engaging him in a mindbattle where Galactus almost killed him, you think he will just begin Blasting away, even though Galactus have cosmic Awareness and to avoid a little shout that "Galactus doesn't have Cosmic Awareness" ore the like, Secret wars (and If I read the the link correctly Volume 7 page 13 and again in Volume 10 page 6 and then in Dazzler Volume 11 page 4.

That the force which can be applied to the teleport is much greater in Galactus case then either Thanos ore Doctor Strange could produce... Did they even try, ofcause not that would have wreaked the plot, but did they try? And SS have defeated a being that could be a threat to the reality itself, the amount of beings that can destroy the universe ore cause damage to it seem to increase by the day.

Then under what Circumstances did he get it Quanchi? I recall Thor hitting Drax in the stomach and then the Power Gem popped out from Drax's mouth, but I'm sure you will provide the context. 🙂

The point is that just because you can attack someone on the psychic plane that doesn't mean you cannot be defeated in doing so or not be evaded. Thanos defeated moondragon before and Galactus was getting the better of Thanos here.

Thanos can easily leave this playing field as he did so. Galactus also explained that it's better for Thanos there than it is in reality further proving it's out of character for him to attack Thanos in this manner.

I hadn't seen him do so prior to this and unlike tenebrous at least you back up your claims.

Yes, he will still take him on in reality despite his ca which had him powering Tyrant up and trying to overpower him with raw tech.

Thanos can leave the astral plane very easily and unlike Doom he can't freeze him in place.

When Drax was busy being dumb yes, but the guy isn't exactly a road scholar and Thanos won't have it in the pit of his stomach and actually will consciously tap into it as opposed to subconsciously.

So now you want to cite pis as all you have to do is teleport it away despite Thanos ability to teleport entire backgrounds and Strange's resume?

You need to back up your claim that Galactus can easily teleport the power gem away from Thanos.

Originally posted by Tenebrous
The same Thanos that ran after Galactus was unleashed from his chains in Annihilation.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Read the scans Quan posted. By Big G own words it's even harder to kill Thanos on the Astral Plan and when Thanos saw he coudn't win he just effortless left. Big G didn't try and keep him there and even said it was harder to kill him there and yet you think he will employ that tactic.

Furthermore, as I clearly stated before they have to fight IN character that is IN THE RULES. Galactus when he faces off with someone does he take them to the Astral plan or blast away more? We all know the answer. It is IN CHARACTER for him to try and blast Thanos away. It's not IN character to take him to the astral plane. Yes they fight to their full potential but in character. Big G when facing someone one v. one how many times has he taken them to the Astral Plan. It better be sometimes to fight your argument. The fact is it hasn't happened or if it has maybe once or twice. That is hardly in character and especially considering by his own words it is harder to kill Thanos there and yet your "tactician" theory says he'll take him there.... Doubtful

He never said it's harder to kill Thanos there...saying it ensures his continued existence does not equate to Thanos having some beefed up TP defenses, that was never stated. Simply that on the astral plane, many of Galactus' powers cannot be brought to bear directly against Thanos. Clearly, that also does not mean Thanos was entirely safe, he had to be evacuated by Moondragon before he was actually KILLED.

And again, your argument is all well and good but "someone" does not refer to Thanos. Thanos is the exception to the rule of "Galactus fighting entity x" because there's a specific "in character" trait that Galactus possesses that does not apply to 99.99% of the persons/entities that he faces; namely he has the intent to KILL Thanos. You cannot apply blanket statements of "it's not in Galactus' character to attack with method x against opponent y" because NONE of those opponents have the specific "in character" Galactus trait of Galactus wanting to KILL. For example...the FF, the Beyonder, SS, Thor, Avengers, whomever...he never actually was depicted as having the intent to kill. As I said, you want to support the in character displays of Galactus blasting character x, so be it. You violate the "in character" motivation of wanting to kill Thanos as none of those attacks are performed with the intent to kill/exact vengeance.

As the mod said, if Superman were facing a "new enemy" then he would enter into parlay before laying the smack down.

However if Superman is facing Doomsday (the EXCEPTION to the norm, as I've been arguing), then, going with past encounters and knowledge of Doomsday's intent, Superman pulls out ALL the stops and does whatever is necessary.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I think I might be mixing things up or not understanding you. By 'chains' you mean after Galactus was freed from being a walking bomb, right? Thanos was already dead, and was the one who attempted to free him to begin with. So if that's what you're referring to, Thanos didn't run.

By "chains" I was speaking metaphorically about the machines into which Thanos had placed him and the SS.

Thanos was attempting to free Galactus and specifically was preparing to teleport away as soon as Galactus were freed. I don't have the scan as my desktop harddrive crashed some months ago but it is there.

Of course, before he actually finished freeing Galactus, he was killed. Nevertheless, his intent and wariness over Galactus was clearly stated.