Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Let me ask you this Tene and Utri.... For the sake whether G would do this or that... IF IFBig G fits in character like usual and decides to blast Thanos with the PG and his Tech Shields and go toe to toe with him to you believe Thanos would come out on top? I mean we clearly see a normal health Galactus blasted Thanos and comment that he's never seen a tougher shield to get through and clearly it weakened him that he needed to feed. If he tries that again do you at least concede that Thanos would come out on top? I'm not talking about other abilities Big G has that could make this a good fight or give him some wins. I already stated Big G could employ other methods. However, it is very likely that he will do what he usually does and has done with Thanos and others and blast them. We agree that is his normal tactic. So, if he does.. Does Thanos win?
First off KuRuPT Thanosi, I have already in another thread explained that I think the levels at which Galactus Blasted Thanos shields down is debatable at the very least, that aside if we are talking "My energy Blast is bigger then your" contest between them with Thanos having had the Power gem in his possession for a while then yes Thanos most likely wins. (I don't work with */10 sorry)
Originally posted by leonidas
i mostly agree. if he just gets the gem and he has no real time to access it, g could end him. if he gets a little time to amp his shields, the battle turns dramatically.
He doesn't need the time. Thanos has Power Gem. Bam. Thanos has infinite power. Just like that. His mind would be in sync with everything the Gem is pulling energy from (which is, quite literally, everywhere.)
Originally posted by Utrigita
I was thinking the Galactus vs Classic Doctor Doom part.
I honestly don't feel teleporting the gem is an option really. If so, Thanos,SS or shoot even Eternity would have done so easily. When Eternity was concerned about the threat thor was, I don't think teleporting is an option or why would he be concerned about Thor with PG. Don't really know but I think the evidence points to not being able to do so.
Originally posted by UtrigitaYes, meaning that Galactus has never attempted this method of attack against Thanos before and actually benefits Thanos' chances of survival. Ok, I wasn't aware of Galactus' entire history and was merely asking for examples which either Tenebrous wasn't aware of or refused to do so for whatever reason. I see it is a legitimate attack but one not likely against the mad titan imo as backed by Galactus's own words.
Not to my knowledge no.Not entirely true, it was Thanos that engaged Galactus, not the other way around, it was however Thanos that ran for his life because he knew that staying would result in his immidiate death. I'm not, I brought up the incident because it showed a incident where Galactus by his own free will went to the Astral Plan in order to deal with a Problem, I then recalled that prior in this Thread some discussion about Galactus trapping Thanos in a forcefield had taken place, I mentioned that now we have Three seperate incidents where Galactus utilized a forcefield/stasisfield against opponents. I'm fully aware of that Thanos can teleport out of the bubble that Doom was trapped in.
Not Regular Thanos no, Blasting, transmuting teleporting etc, would then be the most likely for Galactus to do against Thanos, however this isn't regular Thanos, somehow I feel you are forgetting that along with forgetting that Galactus has Cosmic Awareness, this is entirely disregarding the rules that they begin their battle with basic knowledge of the combatents, in this case I think basic knowlegde would be the fact that Thanos have the Power Gem, then again to suggest that Galactus will blast him like a moron is again thinking that Galactus doesn't have a Brain the size of a peanut.
Which was initially the right way to do it, The First Blasts succeeded in harming Hunger, According to Thanos IIRC the scan correctly it weakened Hunger enough to destroy it with the explosion brought up by the power of two colliding planets, unless you think that Galactus blasts < Planetary collision. I for one doesn't when you see how the Silver Surfer can tank a Supernova and get oneshotted by Galactus. And to suggest that Galactus will attack a being with the Power Gem with Energy Blast given Galactus knowlegde about the gems is to imo force into this debate Plot Induced Stupidity. Another thing entirely is what supports that Thanos can redirect the energy blast by Galactus? I know that the power gem reversed Strange and Silver Surfers attack, but have it ever reversed a attack that is like a million times stronger then Surfers?
Can you provide me with a single incident where Thanos have helped himself to the Astral Plan and exited it too, especially the exited part? The number of times where he deploys energy blast against his opponents? Actually you will find that the majority of those blast against lesser opponents are meant to either transmute them ore Teleport them, few are meant to just damage them like the Blast Galactus fired of against Thanos did.
Are you asking me whether ore not it's commen knowledge that Galactus has the Cosmic Awarness even though he has displayed it on several occasions??? I'm well aware of that, that is why in the Tyrant discussion have been the source of many arguments on the board, and Hunger succeeded in cheating Galactus, because it both managed to influence Galactus and his tech.
What exactly am I dismissing? Thanos couldn't singlehanded leave WM's Thors mind, and on the interaction with Galactus, Thanos had moondragon acting as the phone, you can easily post the scan where Moondragon and Thanos link up, if you somehow think that it doesn't support my argument.
So now you are claiming that he didn't tap into it when it was located in his stomach? Did he eat it willingly? You have provided me with Context I'm providing context that have another view then yours.
Sorry what? Thanos left the first interaction with Galactus because he was about to get killed, the second interaction nearly ended Thanos as well, in both cases it most certainly had something to do with Galactus. And exactly why wouldn't Galactus use his Cosmic Awareness, analyse the situation with his knowledge on the Power Gem and act accordingly? Because the Thanos bench for some reason think that Galactus have the brain the size of a peanut.
So we have no idea how Thanos will utilize the Gem in this battle? Great...
As mentioned above the power that Galactus can put into his teleporting > the power the combined heroes that meet Thor could.
Then providing a incident where one tried to teleport the Power Gem and failed should be rather easy Quanchi because else PIS seems like the most obvious choice to why they all suddenly forgot that they could teleport objects.
Galactus does have ca but that didn't aid him against his very creation. I don't think he would fight any different or at least employ another astral plane battle. Galactus blasted Tyrant which actually further powered him up and also tried overtaking his tech which also completely backfired. That was his own creation and he seemed at a loss with prep with how to handle Tyrant so why is Thanos any different. He isn't. Galactus also tried blasting the Hunger into submission. It usually works and Galactus needed Thanos' direction in how to defeat the Hunger when this failed.
They harmed him but also provided him with further nourishment. If Galactus was powerful enough to do so he would have let him blast away. The point is in the same arc Galactus was at a loss with how to defeat this parasite without being able to just blast it into submission just like I said.
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The example was the time Thanos actually exited against Galactus. Thanos also freed himself with the help of the others against Thor's awesome madness. Again, they met once on the astral plane via Thanos setting it up and he easily left.. Galactus also agreed it was beneficial to Thanos's existence.
Why wouldn't Thanos be able to redirect a Galactus blast when Thor could when only subconsciously tapping into it? It has no limits and can draw power from anywhere in the entire universe. Sorry, but Galactus isn't more powerful than the power gem.
It wasn't mentioned as such and was thrown out of his stomach. When the power gem wasn't in his stomach and when he was tapping into it Thor couldn't beat him. It isn't relevant because we saw what kind of force he was when tapping into it outside of his tummy.
Thor feigned them into a false sense of security and then sprung his attack launched by his awesome personality and madness. Thanos and the others still prevailed. Yet again Thanos escapes. Galactus already states why he won't take Thanos into the astral plane. Quit citing something he himself already agrees he wouldn't do to Thanos.
Galactus didn't use his ca against Tyrant his very own creation. He also followed Thanos' lead against the Hunger which he himself allowed entry into our reality. Sorry, but the guy's power usually gets it done and when it doesn't he seems at a loss in how to handle himself.
If you understand the power gem's abilities and his keen mind and the fact he first assembled them together and tapped into their true potential we know how he can use it.
No one has ever easily teleported the power gem away from a user and even Eternity who is >Galactus mentioned Thor as a possible threat who was only subconsciously tapping into it.
If you can't provide an example then you can't prove it. Quit acting like teleportation is all that is required when tackling the power gem. You're virtually ignoring every comic with the gem to sell your point.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, meaning that Galactus has never attempted this method of attack against Thanos before and actually benefits Thanos' chances of survival. Ok, I wasn't aware of Galactus' entire history and was merely asking for examples which either Tenebrous wasn't aware of or refused to do so for whatever reason. I see it is a legitimate attack but one not likely against the mad titan imo as backed by Galactus's own words.Galactus does have ca but that didn't aid him against his very creation. I don't think he would fight any different or at least employ another astral plane battle. Galactus blasted Tyrant which actually further powered him up and also tried overtaking his tech which also completely backfired. That was his own creation and he seemed at a loss with prep with how to handle Tyrant so why is Thanos any different. He isn't. Galactus also tried blasting the Hunger into submission. It usually works and Galactus needed Thanos' direction in how to defeat the Hunger when this failed.
They harmed him but also provided him with further nourishment. If Galactus was powerful enough to do so he would have let him blast away. The point is in the same arc Galactus was at a loss with how to defeat this parasite without being able to just blast it into submission just like I said.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thanos0515-1.jpg
The example was the time Thanos actually exited against Galactus. Thanos also freed himself with the help of the others against Thor's awesome madness. Again, they met once on the astral plane via Thanos setting it up and he easily left.. Galactus also agreed it was beneficial to Thanos's existence.
Why wouldn't Thanos be able to redirect a Galactus blast when Thor could when only subconsciously tapping into it? It has no limits and can draw power from anywhere in the entire universe. Sorry, but Galactus isn't more powerful than the power gem.
It wasn't mentioned as such and was thrown out of his stomach. When the power gem wasn't in his stomach and when he was tapping into it Thor couldn't beat him. It isn't relevant because we saw what kind of force he was when tapping into it outside of his tummy.
Thor feigned them into a false sense of security and then sprung his attack launched by his awesome personality and madness. Thanos and the others still prevailed. Yet again Thanos escapes. Galactus already states why he won't take Thanos into the astral plane. Quit citing something he himself already agrees he wouldn't do to Thanos.
Galactus didn't use his ca against Tyrant his very own creation. He also followed Thanos' lead against the Hunger which he himself allowed entry into our reality. Sorry, but the guy's power usually gets it done and when it doesn't he seems at a loss in how to handle himself.
If you understand the power gem's abilities and his keen mind and the fact he first assembled them together and tapped into their true potential we know how he can use it.
No one has ever easily teleported the power gem away from a user and even Eternity who is >Galactus mentioned Thor as a possible threat who was only subconsciously tapping into it.
If you can't provide an example then you can't prove it. Quit acting like teleportation is all that is required when tackling the power gem. You're virtually ignoring every comic with the gem to sell your point.
So now in a Versus Battle you have to have tried the attack against the opponents before it can be used as a valid way to defeat the opponent? But Cool Thanos (ore any other wielder for that matter) have never tried to use the Power Gem on a semi Abstract being, so we have no idea if it will work... is that the way the discussions on this board should be? Tenebrous was fully aware of it, but again why should be post it when the entire debate so far had been around scans that everybody knew what was in? Galactus never used it as a attack against Thanos, Thanos attacked Galactus, Galactus defended himself, now this may be a farstretch but iirc Thanos asked for Professor Xaviers help against the Goddess, that could from my point of view point to the fact that Thanos = Xavier in terms of Telepathy, now we know for a fact from the two attempts by Xavier that Xaviers Telepathy is far below Galactus own.
See below. So again you think Galactus fights against a Wielder of the power gem like a idiot? You think we have a Writer on this battle? If you want to debate the Tyrant incident go and revive a thread concerning that, I'm sure Celestialdemon will happily join in. It would have been extremely boring for the Plot had Galactus been portrayed as he had been in the recent Nova comic wouldn't you agree? Ofcause Galactus has to ask help by the main "hero" of the Comic serie (which funny enough was Thanos'😉, because it would have been damm boring if Galactus hadn't said a word and 1. Uses his Cosmic awareness to locate Thanos, and either teleports to him ore engages him again with his telepathy either way Thanos = Dead 2. Galactus gathers the Infinity Gems, releases Hunger, Blasts it a few Times realise that it isn't going to work, and then Teleports the entire Planet into a black Hole ore Supernova ore bombards it with Meteors. Damm that would have been boring especially since Galactus wouldn't have said a word. You are Basing this entire battle on one of the many portrayals that Galactus have had over the years that is imo a entirely wrong way to look at it.
In the beginning the energy blasts harmed Hunger, Hunger then Adapted, if Hunger hadn't Adapted Galactus would have defeated Hunger on the spot. No that wasn't what you said, but either way also again I find it really funny how Galactus just suddenly forgets everything that he can do, he wouldn't in a Versus Battle.
I have my doubts because Galactus blasts in much more potent then anything The Silver Surfer and Doctor Strange could throw at Thor, hence I find it interesting to know if that is the only incident where the Power Gem have redirected energy blasts, I'll just leave Galactus insatiable Hunger and his abilities to feast on Energy in all it's forms out of this.
So because it was located in his stomach he couldn't draw into it's power? Scan of that statement please. We also have a entirely different scenario where WM Thor overpowers Drax even though Drax still have the power gem, because It's located inside (and how did it get there in the first place?) it shouldn't be impossible to draw energy from it, still you are still in contact with it.
That doesn't change anything concerning the fact that Galactus telepathic abilities far outweights those of Thors, and if Thor was capable of trapping Thanos with Thanos unable to leave by himself, I see absolutely no reason to assume that Thanos can leave when Galactus engages him. And now you are forgetting the context Quanchi Galactus have never stated that he wouldn't take Thanos to the Astral plan in a Versus debate neither has he in a comic, he mentions that killing Thanos ofcause wouldn't be that easy but in this Scenario Galactus isn't after the Infinity Gems, Thanos is his direct enemy, that means that Galactus will do whatever is within his power to destroy Thanos and the other way around too. Theirfore what Galactus stated can't in anyway be translated into what you are saying.
I have already in other threads given my opinion on the Tyrant Matter and I have also in this thread mentioned what I think about the encounter, It is correct that he assembled the crucifix that allowed Hunger to access oure reality, and Hunger knew that Galactus was in the 616 Reality the best man he could get for the job of collecting the Gems. That is why I said PIS for instance in the Magus incident, Galactus knew that his own personal power wasn't sufficiant (for some reason) and asks to have the Infinity Gems restored to their former might, so just because he was acting like a idiot in the Hunger incident there is no reason why he should act like a idiot here where PIS is disabled.
I know the gems abilities, I'm asking you if you have any idea concerning the way Thanos will fight ore use the gem in this battle according to how he used it in the comics but since he have never used the Power Gem in order to amp his own abilities in the comics, it's a moot point.
Again, have anyone ever tried? And again the numbers that is a threat to reality seem to increase by the day.
I can provide numerous incidents where Galactus teleports objects through time and space without any effort whatsoever, it is you that doesn't think that Teleportation of the gem is a valid move, then it's you that is going to provide Proof that it can't be done not me.
Originally posted by UtrigitaIt makes Thanos more powerful and one blast has sent Galactus flying before. One blast from Galactus also depplted his vital energies. One. Thanos can't be put down here. Galactus is going to weak and quickly. It's common sense using how they have matched up before with their histories.
So now in a Versus Battle you have to have tried the attack against the opponents before it can be used as a valid way to defeat the opponent? But Cool Thanos (ore any other wielder for that matter) have never tried to use the Power Gem on a semi Abstract being, so we have no idea if it will work... is that the way the discussions on this board should be? Tenebrous was fully aware of it, but again why should be post it when the entire debate so far had been around scans that everybody knew what was in? Galactus never used it as a attack against Thanos, Thanos attacked Galactus, Galactus defended himself, now this may be a farstretch but iirc Thanos asked for Professor Xaviers help against the Goddess, that could from my point of view point to the fact that Thanos = Xavier in terms of Telepathy, now we know for a fact from the two attempts by Xavier that Xaviers Telepathy is far below Galactus own.See below. So again you think Galactus fights against a Wielder of the power gem like a idiot? You think we have a Writer on this battle? If you want to debate the Tyrant incident go and revive a thread concerning that, I'm sure Celestialdemon will happily join in. It would have been extremely boring for the Plot had Galactus been portrayed as he had been in the recent Nova comic wouldn't you agree? Ofcause Galactus has to ask help by the main "hero" of the Comic serie (which funny enough was Thanos'😉, because it would have been damm boring if Galactus hadn't said a word and 1. Uses his Cosmic awareness to locate Thanos, and either teleports to him ore engages him again with his telepathy either way Thanos = Dead 2. Galactus gathers the Infinity Gems, releases Hunger, Blasts it a few Times realise that it isn't going to work, and then Teleports the entire Planet into a black Hole ore Supernova ore bombards it with Meteors. Damm that would have been boring especially since Galactus wouldn't have said a word. You are Basing this entire battle on one of the many portrayals that Galactus have had over the years that is imo a entirely wrong way to look at it.
In the beginning the energy blasts harmed Hunger, Hunger then Adapted, if Hunger hadn't Adapted Galactus would have defeated Hunger on the spot. No that wasn't what you said, but either way also again I find it really funny how Galactus just suddenly forgets everything that he can do, he wouldn't in a Versus Battle.
I have my doubts because Galactus blasts in much more potent then anything The Silver Surfer and Doctor Strange could throw at Thor, hence I find it interesting to know if that is the only incident where the Power Gem have redirected energy blasts, I'll just leave Galactus insatiable Hunger and his abilities to feast on Energy in all it's forms out of this.
So because it was located in his stomach he couldn't draw into it's power? Scan of that statement please. We also have a entirely different scenario where WM Thor overpowers Drax even though Drax still have the power gem, because It's located inside (and how did it get there in the first place?) it shouldn't be impossible to draw energy from it, still you are still in contact with it.
That doesn't change anything concerning the fact that Galactus telepathic abilities far outweights those of Thors, and if Thor was capable of trapping Thanos with Thanos unable to leave by himself, I see absolutely no reason to assume that Thanos can leave when Galactus engages him. And now you are forgetting the context Quanchi Galactus have never stated that he wouldn't take Thanos to the Astral plan in a Versus debate neither has he in a comic, he mentions that killing Thanos ofcause wouldn't be that easy but in this Scenario Galactus isn't after the Infinity Gems, Thanos is his direct enemy, that means that Galactus will do whatever is within his power to destroy Thanos and the other way around too. Theirfore what Galactus stated can't in anyway be translated into what you are saying.
I have already in other threads given my opinion on the Tyrant Matter and I have also in this thread mentioned what I think about the encounter, It is correct that he assembled the crucifix that allowed Hunger to access oure reality, and Hunger knew that Galactus was in the 616 Reality the best man he could get for the job of collecting the Gems. That is why I said PIS for instance in the Magus incident, Galactus knew that his own personal power wasn't sufficiant (for some reason) and asks to have the Infinity Gems restored to their former might, so just because he was acting like a idiot in the Hunger incident there is no reason why he should act like a idiot here where PIS is disabled.
I know the gems abilities, I'm asking you if you have any idea concerning the way Thanos will fight ore use the gem in this battle according to how he used it in the comics but since he have never used the Power Gem in order to amp his own abilities in the comics, it's a moot point.
Again, have anyone ever tried? And again the numbers that is a threat to reality seem to increase by the day.
I can provide numerous incidents where Galactus teleports objects through time and space without any effort whatsoever, it is you that doesn't think that Teleportation of the gem is a valid move, then it's you that is going to provide Proof that it can't be done not me.
I don't think he did. Either way I don't respect debaters who bring something up and don't even provide a page number. Even you say this is a stretch because well it is. I think Moondragon has gotten the better of Xavier before once and Thanos beat her. Abc logic doesn't apply as we saw them duke it out already on the astral plane. Galactus has his number but it's one Thanos can easily evade and one in which Galactus wouldn't attempt either way.
Again, this is how Galactus is portrayed. You are trying to dismiss some of his showings and cbr him to victory when even he himself agrees he won't try this tactic on Thanos. Thanos can easily evade it anyways. Galactus was an absolute moron against Tyrant and was at a loss to deal with the Hunger after he knew what he was and the threat he posed. His ca doesn't mean he always knows how to defeat a threat and don't act like it does.
I base battles characters have with each other not battles they have had vs Doom. That's the difference.
I'm not saying he forgets everything, but he sticks with his bread and butter and loses. Thanos will easily exit the astral plane and even Galactus agrees it's stupid for him to attempt to kill Thanos there.
Thor is physically unbeatable with the power gem while Galactus isn't. Pretty simple. Galactus wastes valuable energy with just one blast getting to Thanos. Galactus was already run off by normal Thor and the power he possesses. 🙂
No, the only reason he got it out of his stomach was due to it being in his stomach. We have a battle with Thor in the blood and thunder madness battling him once with it inside his stomach and once outside it. Completely different results which further supports my point. The comics always back me up.
Thanos and the rest went in their with their guard down while Thanos' guard wasn't down against Galactus. Abc logic doesn't apply here. We saw what Thanos and Galactus are like on the astral plane.
Thanos can easily leave as evidenced in their confrontation. Thanos then proceeds to destroy Galactus. Comics back me up like always.
Keep crying pis when things don't go your way. You just don't like how Galactus is being portrayed. He needed Thanos' help while the supreme being needed it in marvel's the end so there's no shame in needing the mad titan's help.
Yes, he will make himself A LOT MORE POWERFUL with no limits instantly. He won't subconsciously tap into it which Thor would have posed a problem to Eternity who is higher than Galactus in the food chain. Thanos wins.
You need to prove it's valid as many capable, powerful beings have never done so before.
