Kain vs Dumah

Not instant, but a few of them, combined with Kain's telekenesis, Dumah is going to be burnt crispy again.

Dumah's skin was pierced by stakes pre-revival. His soul was still lingering after that 'death' in the spectral realm and thus he got stronger.

As he said after Raziel revived him: "The centuries in limbo (spectral realm) have honed my strength, not even Kain is my equal"

After being revived were those stakes able to pierce him? No. Not even the reaver did ANYTHING.

And lol @ the 'gameplay mechanic' claim. Some of you clearly have no grasp of what the phrase even means.

Dumah LAUGHS at you when you hit him with the reaver. Kain is hurt when hit with the reaver. Zephon could be hurt with the Reaver, Turel in Defiance could be hurt with the reaver.

Kain's pyro magic is moot as well, unless you can prove that he can generate walls of flames as large and as explosive in manner as those of the super furnace that Raziel fries Dumah with. And you can't, because they aren't. The fire glyph magic that Raziel has did nothing to do Dumah as well.

So its not that fire is a 'vulnerability' for Dumah the way sunlight is for Rahab, its just that such a level of fire that it took to fry Dumah is too much for anyone in the Legacy of Kain series.

Super furnace, there was nothing super about it. Dumah died by getting lit on fire, and he obviously isn't Kain's equal because he was killed by Raziel. If Dumah is stupid enough to get lured into a furnace then he's going to be killed, and reminded why Kain is his master.

I'm afraid it's impossible for you to play it down with such trite descriptions. Zephon died by getting 'lit on fire'. (More specifically fire lit eggs being thrown at his head)

Dumah died by being trapped between two large walls of flame followed by an explosion that covered the entire ground floor of the room and then some. It was a super furnace.

And he is obviously Kain's superior barring intelligence. Raziel ripped into Kain's chest with his bare hands. Raziel was laughed at by Dumah for anything he could try.

And I'm afraid, as per my op, any resourceful tactics that Raziel employed that Kain would try to emulate would be non existent here. Kain only has his powers and the reaver at his disposal. This is an arena type match.

Kain's fire magic would be ineffective. And he can't suck out the blood of Dumah as he does with weak humans, for all intents and purposes Dumah being a spectral creature like Raziel and wraith vampires doesn't even have blood.

The soul reaver as already highlighted, useless.

How will Kain win? He will attempt to get in close with the Reaver as he will figure is his best option. Dumah will swipe at him and suck out his soul gradually if he tries. And he will make earthquakes as he punches the ground if Kain tries to run.

Wait... are you trying to say Dumah can devour souls like Raziel...? I don't remember him doing anything even ballpark to that. Dumah is still a vampire, and requires blood to survive. Prove to me otherwise. The Soul Reaver is never useless, he can go mist behind Dumah and jam the reaver into his heart, that will kill him.

Dumah is technically a revived vampire. He does not feed on blood. Just like Raziel.

Like the vampire wraith enemies with their soul suck maneuver, Dumah does the same after he swipes at you. He breathes in a blue stream of soul energy from the source (Raziel).

What do you mean the soul reaver is never useless? Ofcourse it is, if it can't harm Dumah, and it can't, it's useless.

Originally posted by Foxy Shazam
Raziel's Reaver isn't intagible, it's the Physical blade in energy form. If it was intangible it wouldn't do anything. Dumah was killed by fire, honestly Kain doesn't even need the Reaver in this fight...

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
What do you mean the soul reaver is never useless? Ofcourse it is, if it can't harm Dumah, and it can't, it's useless.

Fire? Raziel is susceptible to that.

Remember the knights with flame throwers?

Where's BT at?

My immediate thought when looking through the replies. lol

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
What do you mean the soul reaver is never useless? Ofcourse it is, if it can't harm Dumah, and it can't, it's useless.

Kain's Reaver was able to harm the Elder God, if your all saying that it will fail to harm Dumah then you all need your heads examined.

Just for the record Raziel is not just a "revived vampire" he was ressurected by the Elder God as a devourer of souls, to bring Kain and the other vampires back to the cycle of death and rebirth, Dumah is nothing like that. Dumah is still more or less a vampire.

At any rate, whose to say Dumah can kill Kain? He has survived worse than Dumah.

Edit: I forgot Kain also gained the power immolation in BO2, which allows him to raise a barrier of intense flame around his opponent. Kain has more than enough literal "fire power" in his aresenal, Dumah is going to get fried again.

The reaver didn't harm Dumah, so, no, it doesn't harm Dumah. See how that works?

Very observant of you. Kain's reaver is the true Reaver, the physical blade, combinied with Raziel's spirit/the wraith. Raziel's is just the wraith blade, thus only half of the true blade, making it less powerful. The true Reaver would kill the crap out of Dumah.

I dont even have to enter this thread, Dumah have no real feats, merely a few words which could easily be hyperbole or nonsense, most likely infact.

Originally posted by Burning thought
I dont even have to enter this thread, Dumah have no real feats, merely a few words which could easily be hyperbole or nonsense, most likely infact.

Sounds like this thread is right up your alley.

Dumah shrugged off the reaver and laughed, that makes him more durable than Kain.

By the end of defiance where Kain is actually badly harmed by the reaver Raziel had endowed it with far more powers than he had then, not to mention Dumah being more durable than Kain is irrelvent considering Dumah cannot reform through mist nor control his body on a gas particle level, further more Dumah has no real powers, certainly not to harm Kain and can be defeated through immolation, which funnily enough, is one of Kains spells.

Originally posted by Burning thought
By the end of defiance where Kain is actually badly harmed by the reaver Raziel had endowed it with far more powers than he had then, not to mention Dumah being more durable than Kain is irrelvent considering Dumah cannot reform through mist nor control his body on a gas particle level, further more Dumah has no real powers, certainly not to harm Kain and can be defeated through immolation, which funnily enough, is one of Kains spells.

Wow. Kain can reform himself through mist and control his body on a gas particle level. And you got all this from him being able to dash in a supposed "mist form"?