Originally posted by CosmicComet
-He's not 'immune' or 'invulnerable' anywhere. Why you choose to blindly apply those words I don't know? Surely no one could be as fervently blind a fanboy as that to be able to claim so.Raziel hurt him in the first fight in Soul Reaver (cutscene certified, in the same cutscene where he strikes Raz with the Reaver seconds after).
Raziel was able to phase him and knock him back in Soul Reaver 2's intro with blunt force attacks.
And then Raziel in Defiance bore his claws through Kain's abdomen and tore out his heart. It was actually not through his chest as I first thought, so you can't claim Kain's chest was already cut open from the reaver slash since Raziel went through his stomach instead.
You'd think being 'invulnerable' to Raziel's physical attacks he wouldn't have been budged, let alone majorly hurt. Ever.
Dumah is the one invulnerable to Raziel's might. Kain is simply somewhat resistant.
-And despite Raz claiming a power increase, there was nothing suggesting a physical increase. His power base just grew after gaining TK from consuming Turel's soul. That's all.
-I addressed the slash on his chest already. The wound was shown on Kain's chest in the cutscene but Raziel actually ripped into Kain's abdomen.
-The quake has to be quite powerful to phase Raziel as it did. If you remember Nosgoth is plagued with quakes and in the beginning of SR when Raziel finds himself outside of Kain's citadel there was an earthquake. That earthquake did nothing but surprise Raziel somewhat. Dumah's earthquake is powerful enough to stop Raziel in his tracks, and it seems some essence of Raz's soul emanates from him because of the vibration.
Dumah may have fewer strength feats but the one he does have is an order of magnitude greater than anything Raziel or Kain have done. Raz in the beggining of SR 2 is weaker than Dumah because its the same Raziel that was weaker throughout SR...Ridiculous question.😬 Raziel knocked Kain back about 15 feet and held him up against a wall for a time, Raziel would never, ever, be able to do that to Dumah. A guy who laughs at anything he could try. Strength and durability go hand in hand, especially here.
-Raziel can exist wherever the Elder God does. And when does Raziel attack the Elder God again?
- Point out where Raziel cuts his body in the SR 2 intro please? and I am not a fanboy, I use facts...
Hurt him but caused no real damage
Their both strong but Kain actually manhandles Raziel when hes not overcome by Raziels speed quite easily....hes still not actually damaged at all.
Kain was slashed across the chest/abdomen with the reaver, he was still damaged from battle and both were greatly weakened.
Hes not damaged, and no he would be "budged" thats force not necesserily damage. Kain would have to be heavy not durable.
Dumah is invulerable in-game to Raziels attacks, cannonically his body has been impaled by human spears, how much of an increase his spectoral repossesion had given him is unkown. None of the vamp bosses can be killed or stopped by claw attacks..not even weak machiah who is supposedly the weakest of them all to the degree thats hes constantly rotting, its just gameplay.
"shrug" the wound is on the chest....either way he was already badly damaged. Raziel was also far far more powerful than the one against Dumah and had access to more abilities.
But only in gameplay....also the Earthquake was centralised from Dumah himself, he does not necesserily have a strong quake to shake raziel since hes simply close ,all he would have to do is make a tremur. His quake caused no real damage to Raziel.
Whats Dumahs strength feat? that quake? its an inconclusive and vage Gameplay manouver that your hyping based on how it shook Raziel....hardly 100 tons, and the only reason he could not do that to Dumah is because of his size...he could not do that to the other brothers either because their huge.
In the spectoral realm before the end.