Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that you needed help to rebut HWKN. I should have remember what level of intelligence you have to work with. I'll be more careful in the future.
Interestingly enough, your argument was the exact same as mine...just a shorter version. So, by saying that about me, you're making fun of yourself.
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that you needed help to rebut HWKN. I should have remember what level of intelligence you have to work with. I'll be more careful in the future.
Oh, you cheeky bastard!
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
And what evidence is there that Sidious's palace is any better protected? Sidious himself went on the Death Star and still it wasn't that well protected from within.
Do you mean in ROTJ? Or in TFU when Galen had to fight through hundreds of stormtroopers to get there? And then only becuase teh Emperor sensed him and let him come.
And again, Sidious would not prepare for a massed assault from Force users because 1. he is arrogant and 2. there weren't enough Jedi left that were organized enough to pose a threat.
Oh, I was assuming that CIS was off in the fight. Becuase if it isn't then Luke would never come up with a plan like this. And he would never condone assasination.
And in this case he is invading a galaxy where teh Jedi are strong. he won't act like he will when he had teh galaxy as his *****.
Well it isn't true. To my knowledge only Luke has done this.
Its actually quite a common technique.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_cloak
Anakin knew it for christs sake! And he's just awful!
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that you needed help to rebut HWKN. I should have remember what level of intelligence you have to work with. I'll be more careful in the future.Oh, you cheeky bastard!
[quote]Definitely far faster than Sidious.
'Definately?' And you can prove this right? And you can prove that they can track him through his own palace while fending off legions of stormtroopers?
I thought that shadow bombs can't be detected...Luke and his allies could just make a more powerful version of it and bomb the palace to bits...or use a superpowered laser.
Prove it. Surprisingly your argument doesn't have a single shred of evidence. And no they wouldn't. Luke doesn't assasinate people. And gtfo with th superpowered laser shit.
N
Prove it.
You'll be here a while, if that's what you're waiting for.
N
Surprisingly your argument doesn't have a single shred of evidence.
Remember RN's CONTRADICTION CORNER? If you hang a left, you'll be on SPECULATION STREET, which is where this argument operates.
LOL LUKE'S IQ WILL RAZE 45 POINTS AND HE'll INVENT A MAGICAL BOMB AND SIDIOUS WILL DIE LOL CUZ I SAY SO LAWL LULZ LOL
N
And no they wouldn't. Luke doesn't assasinate people. And gtfo with th superpowered laser shit.
I'm going to call this fight; N wins by virtue of K.O.
Originally posted by NephthysDo you mean in ROTJ? Or in TFU when Galen had to fight through hundreds of stormtroopers to get there? And then only becuase teh Emperor sensed him and let him come.
Both; oh, and Tarkin was on the Death Star in ANH and didn't put up even the slightest bit of internal security cameras or anything; just a lot of stormtroopers.
The book Star Wars: Death Star stated that the Death Star had pathetic internal security.
And Sidious was on the Death Star many times. He would very well be on it at least a few times, especially to use his BM.
Oh, I was assuming that CIS was off in the fight. Becuase if it isn't then Luke would never come up with a plan like this. And he would never condone assasination.
Luke condoned the assassination of Darth Caedus. Sidious is in this case much more evil and dangerous than Caedus.
And in this case he is invading a galaxy where teh Jedi are strong. he won't act like he will when he had teh galaxy as his *****.
Good point.
Its actually quite a common technique.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_cloak
Anakin knew it for christs sake! And he's just awful!
"Quite common"? Wookieepedia said it was rare, and Sidious wasn't shown being able to use it.
'Definately?' And you can prove this right? And you can prove that they can track him through his own palace while fending off legions of stormtroopers?
Given how powerful Sidious is in the Force, finding him won't be difficult. Oh, and Luke back when he wasn't as powerful killed thousands of YV warriors, who are > stormtroopers.
Prove it. Surprisingly your argument doesn't have a single shred of evidence. And no they wouldn't. Luke doesn't assasinate people. And gtfo with th superpowered laser shit.
Luke has shown to be willing to assassinate people, or at least approve of it, when necessary for the good of the galaxy (LOTF).
What's wrong with the superpowered laser idea, or simply the shadow bombs barrage idea? The former is well within the technological capabilities of the GFFA, and the latter is already used in SW.
Originally posted by Gideon
You'll be here a while, if that's what you're waiting for.Remember RN's CONTRADICTION CORNER? If you hang a left, you'll be on SPECULATION STREET, which is where this argument operates.
LOL LUKE'S IQ WILL RAZE 45 POINTS AND HE'll INVENT A MAGICAL BOMB AND SIDIOUS WILL DIE LOL CUZ I SAY SO LAWL LULZ LOL
I'm going to call this fight; N wins by virtue of K.O.
"magical bomb"? Shadow bombs have been used in SW before, so stop insulting over me stating a canon fact.
Both; oh, and Tarkin was on the Death Star in ANH and didn't put up even the slightest bit of internal security cameras or anything; just a lot of stormtroopers.
The book Star Wars: Death Star stated that the Death Star had pathetic internal security.
And Sidious was on the Death Star many times. He would very well be on it at least a few times, especially to use his BM.
Again, why the hell are we talking about the Death Star. I've exlained to you why its completely different from Palpatines palace before, so stop wasting screen time.
Luke condoned the assassination of Darth Caedus. Sidious is in this case much more evil and dangerous than Caedus.
That must be why Luke walked up behind him, cloaked and unsensable and stabbed him in the heart then. Or why when Caedus was at his mercy he just cut his effing head off. Or why he explicitly said that he couldn't assasinate him.
Luke doesn't assasinate people. End of story.
"Quite common"? Wookieepedia said it was rare, and Sidious wasn't shown being able to use it.
Anakin Skywalker knew it, so it can't be all that rare. Asajj bloody Ventress knew it. Anakin was taught it by the order. As of ROTJ Sidious had all of teh orders knwledge and was believed to know all techniques. I'm no expert on Sidious, but I don't thnk it would be unknown to him.
Given how powerful Sidious is in the Force, finding him won't be difficult. Oh, and Luke back when he wasn't as powerful killed thousands of YV warriors, who are > stormtroopers.
Context is great. YV warriors fight with H2H. Luke was in a narrow corridor when they had to fight him one at a time. Here they're in a massive complex. Did you see Palaptine's throne room? Its concievable that hundreds of troopers could be firing at the group constantly. And it doesn't even matter if they succeed becuase Palpatine can just move to a clone body.
Luke has shown to be willing to assassinate people, or at least approve of it, when necessary for the good of the galaxy (LOTF).
Luke specifically says that he can't be teh one to assasinate Caedus. Theres also the fact that he really wasn't thinking straight throughout the series, especially over the man who tortured his son and killed his wife.
But really, when I was talking about CIS, I was more thinking about how this plan is something Luke and co would never even think up. They are complete thicko's. I doubt its ever even crossed Lukes mind to combine cloak and hiding in the Force. He's never, ever, ever displayed a level of competance to suggest that he'd do so now. Ever. That goes for his JM squad as well, who appear to share a braincell between them.
What's wrong with the superpowered laser idea, or simply the shadow bombs barrage idea? The former is well within the technological capabilities of the GFFA, and the latter is already used in SW.
You can't fit a superlaser on a dinky one-man ship. 🙄
And I throw up my hands and admit it. Yeah, they could shadow bomb the place. And yeah, it might actually work. 4 problems though. It might not do shit to Palpatine, as in it might not penetrate enough. Palpatine probably won't be in his palace at all, since thats where everyone will think he is, so thats exactly where he won't be. Luke wouldn't do it. And plapatine would just resurrect anyway.
So yeah, congratulations. Wooooo! trumpet
Luke decided against personally killing Caedus because he feared that it might turn him to the DS due to it being a vengeance motivated kill. Luke has no qualms with killing evil people that are a threat to innocents and that aren't willing to repent (such as Sidious).
Oh, and I congragulate you on being open minded and reasonable.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Your first idea still sucked a donkey though.
Nah
Seriously, it was completely doable. Plus, Sidious won't always be in that palace of his. If he goes anywhere else, he's pretty much screwed.
Oh, and I have another somewhat far fetched but still plausible plan. Luke and the Council could sneak into the (horribly guarded) Death Star, bust into the Moffs' room, and force them to surrender control of the Death Star. Luke and the Council then, in the Death Star, go to Coruscant, and blast Sidous's palace (the Death Star's superlaser can fire at lower power levels if it wants to; it did this in the book Star Wars: Death Star) to bits.
what exactly, is the point of your comment?
When you put two factions against each other, we generally look at the military strength of both. Following scenarios where either team goes after the leader of the other is an endless game that gives an unfair scenario. Technically the Empire could use all its resources to destroy the seat of GA government, demoralizing and shattering resolve of the LOTF galaxy, but what is the point in figuring that.
In a thread like this, you almost have to consider that each and every man will fight to the death, or its pointless.
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallOh god. NO. This isn't a plan lukes gonna want to chose, being supreme pussy of the jedi, and there are so many variables that can't even be factored.
NahSeriously, it was completely doable. Plus, Sidious won't always be in that palace of his. If he goes anywhere else, he's pretty much screwed.
Oh, and I have another somewhat far fetched but still plausible plan. Luke and the Council could sneak into the (horribly guarded) Death Star, bust into the Moffs' room, and force them to surrender control of the Death Star. Luke and the Council then, in the Death Star, go to Coruscant, and blast Sidous's palace (the Death Star's superlaser can fire at lower power levels if it wants to; it did this in the book Star Wars: Death Star) to bits.
stop with it. you dump.
Originally posted by truejedi
what exactly, is the point of your comment?When you put two factions against each other, we generally look at the military strength of both. Following scenarios where either team goes after the leader of the other is an endless game that gives an unfair scenario. Technically the Empire could use all its resources to destroy the seat of GA government, demoralizing and shattering resolve of the LOTF galaxy, but what is the point in figuring that.
In a thread like this, you almost have to consider that each and every man will fight to the death, or its pointless.
I agree that in a conventional war the Empire technically would win, but my plan is within the thread specifications and completely doable, so I don't see what's wrong with it.
Originally posted by One Free Man
Oh god. NO. This isn't a plan lukes gonna want to chose, being supreme pussy of the jedi, and there are so many variables that can't even be factored.stop with it. you dump.
1. Look again. You insulted my post without actually providing a logical rebuttal. Which isn't that surprising, coming from the guy that said that Exile could beat Obi Wan because "omg she knew more forms (that was literally your entire argument)"
2. Luke is actually a very effective Grand Master of the Jedi, which is why the Council is a failure without him, as the events of Fate of the Jedi, especially Allies, have shown.
3. The plan is very doable.
Its doable until Palpatine notices that theres a ventalation shaft just jutting out there. Plus there's no way 20 jedi can take over something the size of a moon. Get the **** outta here with that shit.
edit: Plus Palps will have AGES to evacuate. Plus he could ressurect. Plus theres just too many variables. Plus they can't take over teh ****ing Death Star with 20 people in the first place. Plus all your plans are intrinsically shite just ecause you made them. etc.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsallwhen was this?
1. Look again. You insulted my post without actually providing a logical rebuttal. Which isn't that surprising, coming from the guy that said that Exile could beat Obi Wan because "omg she knew more forms (that was literally your entire argument)"
YES BUT HES A ****IN NICE ****ER. HES NOT GOING TO DO SOME STUPID INFILTRATION RECON COLD-BLOOD ASSASSINATION SHIT. GET THIS THROUGH YOUR ****ING HEAD.
2. Luke is actually a very effective Grand Master of the Jedi, which is why the Council is a failure without him, as the events of Fate of the Jedi, especially Allies, have shown.3. The plan is very doable.
*straightens bow-tie*
thank-you.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Its doable until Palpatine notices that theres a ventalation shaft just jutting out there. Plus there's no way 20 jedi can take over something the size of a moon. Get the **** outta here with that shit.edit: Plus Palps will have AGES to evacuate. Plus he could ressurect. Plus theres just too many variables. Plus they can't take over teh ****ing Death Star with 20 people in the first place. Plus all your plans are intrinsically shite just ecause you made them. etc.
They don't need to fight their way through the entire Death Star. They bust into the command place and force the commander(s) (probably the Moff(s)) to order the Death Star to go to Coruscant and perform a surgical strike on the Emperor's palace. None of the soldiers in the Death Star even have to know about this.
Originally posted by One Free Man
when was this?
YES BUT HES A ****IN NICE ****ER. HES NOT GOING TO DO SOME STUPID INFILTRATION RECON COLD-BLOOD ASSASSINATION SHIT. GET THIS THROUGH YOUR ****ING HEAD.*straightens bow-tie*
thank-you.
1. In a ROTS Obi Wan vs Exile thread.
2. Luke has shown to be willing to use such tactics on evil people if the fate of the galaxy is at stake.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
They don't need to fight their way through the entire Death Star. They bust into the command place and force the commander(s) (probably the Moff(s)) to order the Death Star to go to Coruscant and perform a surgical strike on the Emperor's palace. None of the soldiers in the Death Star even have to know about this.1. In a ROTS Obi Wan vs Exile thread.
2. Luke has shown to be willing to use such tactics on evil people if the fate of the galaxy is at stake.