What if the Empire invaded the FOTJ era galaxy

Started by One Free Man18 pages

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
They don't need to fight their way through the entire Death Star. They bust into the command place and force the commander(s) (probably the Moff(s)) to order the Death Star to go to Coruscant and perform a surgical strike on the Emperor's palace. None of the soldiers in the Death Star even have to know about this.

1. In a ROTS Obi Wan vs Exile thread.


I said when, not where, you dumb ****. Link, please.

2. Luke has shown to be willing to use such tactics on evil people if the fate of the galaxy is at stake.
Just cause you say so, obviously, I am supposed to believe both counts.

The reason everyone's railing against HWKN and this thread is because he continues to display the same behavior that was made manifest in his first thread involving the Empire. After constructing a rather straightforward scenario, HWKN desperately manufactures a series of dubious and bullshit circumstances that favors his chosen side. In this scenario, though, the Empire is going to win:

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[*]The Fate of the Jedi-era galaxy has already been wracked by a series of devastating wars, with few opportunities to supplement its depleted military.
[*]The three major factions (the Galactic Alliance, the Imperial Remnant, and the Confederation) are all led or controlled by Imperials. It's probable that, especially when faced with the Empire's military superiority, they'd defect to Palpatine.
[*]The new Jedi Order isn't going to be that decisive of an advantage; Palpatine was fielding his own corps. of Force powerful adepts. Lest we forget, two of them (Mara Jade and Lumiya) were able to nearly slaughter two of the Jedi's most powerful members (Jacen and Luke) on their own.
[*]The Imperial Palace would largely be immune to insurrection, but what if Palpatine isn't even there? What if he's out amongst his enormous Navy? Millions of ships, trillions upon trillions of members? How's Luke going to find him when Palpatine's easily capable of concealing his presence in the Force?
[*]Speaking of Palpatine, he's already the galaxy's foremost strategist, capable of not only hiding his Force presence and diminishing the Force powers of others, but he's already gained the ability to resurrect. What's going to stop him from just being reborn in a new clone body if they capture or kill him?
[*]What about Thrawn? Zaarin? Vader? Tarkin? And the host of other competent or brilliant Imperial strategists, tacticians, or masterminds?
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The Empire's going to win, one way or another.

@One Free Man

See? You don't actually provide a rational argument to counter mine.

Maybe thats becuase your argument wasn't rational to begin with.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
@One Free Man

See? You don't actually provide a rational argument to counter mine.

You have to have a rational argument for me to counter yours. Creating a hypothetical battleplan for said jedi to embark on and then modifying it when someone presents a weak spot isn't a rational argument. You have no evidence, you borderline retarded idiot.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=483756&highlight=obi+wan+vs+exile+forumid%3A86

Luke was willing to and did (semi indirectly) kill DE Sidious.
Luke was willing to and did kill Shimrra.
Luke knew that Caedus must be taken out of power (and as the war grew on he realized that killing Caedus was the only way). He just didn't want to do it himself out of fear of falling to the dark side and becoming more dangerous than Caedus because it would be a kill out of vengeance.

Sidious is more evil and dangerous than any of the above.

You're an idiot, you do realize that these posts were made 2 years ago.

YOU'RE still are steaming over posts I made 2 years ago.

Luke was willing to and did (semi indirectly) kill DE Sidious.
Luke was willing to and did kill Shimrra.
Luke knew that Caedus must be taken out of power (and as the war grew on he realized that killing Caedus was the only way). He just didn't want to do it himself out of fear of falling to the dark side and becoming more dangerous than Caedus because it would be a kill out of vengeance.

Sidious is more evil and dangerous than any of the above.

Nope, you just haven't gotten any better than 2 years ago.

Sidious is more evil and dangerous than Sidious? 😖

mattatom
Sidious is more evil and dangerous than Sidious? 😖

😂

Each of those he did with a straight up duel (Idk about teh last one) though. Luke Skywalker doesn't assasinate people. Yes he will fight them. He will oppose them. But he won't stab them in the back when they have no chance to surrender. That isn't Luke Skywalker.

And if thats what he did in LOTF then thats just the writers not knowing a flying **** about what kind of person Luke is and completely disrespecting George Lucas' creation. Seriously, **** them.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
YOU'RE still are steaming over posts I made 2 years ago.

Luke was willing to and did (semi indirectly) kill DE Sidious.
Luke was willing to and did kill Shimrra.
Luke knew that Caedus must be taken out of power (and as the war grew on he realized that killing Caedus was the only way). He just didn't want to do it himself out of fear of falling to the dark side and becoming more dangerous than Caedus because it would be a kill out of vengeance.

Sidious is more evil and dangerous than any of the above
EDIT IN: (well, excluding Sidious himself).

@One Free Man:

Neither have you. I see that you keep on dodging actually responding rationally to my argument.

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Each of those he did with a straight up duel (Idk about teh last one) though. Luke Skywalker doesn't assasinate people. Yes he will fight them. He will oppose them. But he won't stab them in the back when they have no chance to surrender. That isn't Luke Skywalker.

And if thats what he did in LOTF then thats just the writers not knowing a flying **** about what kind of person Luke is and completely disrespecting George Lucas' creation. Seriously, **** them.

Well, Luke was going to sneak up on Jacen and kill him without instigating a duel in Inferno, but

Spoiler:
Jacen had murdered his wife and kidnapped his son
and
Spoiler:
he changed his mind and [stupidly] left Jacen on the ground after their duel.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
@One Free Man:

Neither have you. I see that you keep on dodging actually responding rationally to my argument.

You have no argument.

1. You're still creating "what if the empire invaded" threads.

2. Everyone's still jumping on the bandwagon when they say you're wrong. You aren't actually wrong, it's just cause everyone hates you.

3. You're creating impossible scenarios that evolve with every point brought up against them.

@One Free Man:

None of that has anything to do with the actual debate of who wins.

Well, Luke was going to sneak up on Jacen and kill him without instigating a duel in Inferno, but

Yeah, I just remembered that. Just more proof that the LOTF writers are a bunch of dumb ****s who don't have a clue what they're writing and have zero respect for Star Wars. Though him not killing him is a little better. And proves our point. Without massive provocation (like, say a []Death Star[/b]) he won't kill a helpless person.

Think about all the innocents in the Imperial palace. Wookie says Palpatine encouraged children to play there. Like shit Lukes firing on it.

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Yeah, I just remembered that. Just more proof that the LOTF writers are a bunch of dumb ****s who don't have a clue what they're writing and have zero respect for Star Wars.

A lot of people espouse this belief on TFN, but I subscribe to an alternate perspective: I loved that Luke Skywalker was so messed up by Mara's death and Ben's torture that something snapped, for several reasons:

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[*]It was probably Lumiya and Jacen's finest hour: I've long-since dealt with the fact that Jacen was less powerful than Luke, because it didn't matter. Jacen and Lumiya nailed Luke where it hurt and even if Luke killed them, nothing was going to bring Mara back.
[*]LUKE WAS AWESOME WHEN BORDERLINE PSYCHO!
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Edit: Aww, my first point disappeared. 🙁

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Think about all the innocents in the Imperial palace. Wookie says Palpatine encouraged children to play there. Like shit Lukes firing on it.

Palpatine prolly did it for just that reason lol.


A lot of people espouse this belief on TFN, but I subscribe to an alternate perspective: I loved that Luke Skywalker was so messed up by Mara's death and Ben's torture that something snapped, for several reasons:

* It was probably Lumiya and Jacen's finest hour: I've long-since dealt with the fact that Jacen was less powerful than Luke, because it didn't matter. Jacen and Lumiya nailed Luke where it hurt and even if Luke killed them, nothing was going to bring Mara back.
* LUKE WAS AWESOME WHEN BORDERLINE PSYCHO!

If thats the case then I still say they effed up becuase they didn't make that nearly as big or poignant as they should of done. I never even considered that, when it should have been a major plot point. Luke Skywalker is compromising his morals.

Now this thing: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4302076/1/Into_the_Storm Really gives Luke his dues, and it takes an unbelievale amount to make him crack. In that story, hes a hero. It takes him forever before he even begins to compromise his morals and even then its just becuase he's been completely worn down. And thats all the more powerful, becuase it shows that thats what at his core, and thats the last thing to go. LOTF showed him having what amounts to a temper tantrum. He deserved better than that.

I guess its just a matter of opinion but I still think they majorly dropped the ball on that one.


Palpatine prolly did it for just that reason lol.

It really wouldn't surprise me.

It's weird how Luke thinks that by killing Caedus personally he'd turn to the dark side. It's like Caedus is at your feat dying. You have the chance to kill him and save the lives of trillions of innocents. You are a good guy. You kill him...would that suddenly make you magically turn to the dark side? It's like when Galen had Sidious at his mercy.

I dunno, man. I disagree. I think Luke's torment after Mara's death was well written: he didn't have a temper tantrum in that he wasn't breaking shit or slaughtering the nearest bystanders; rather, in a typical Luke fashion, he appeared to be devastated but intact until he was in the presence of the person/s whom he felt was responsible for Mara's death. And then all hell broke loose.

Luke ain't invincible, physically or morally.

Into the Storm is fantastic, but it ran the risk of transforming Luke into a Gary Stu. Blank and I discussed this at length via email.