What if the Empire invaded the FOTJ era galaxy

Started by Gideon18 pages

Ze best one:

Ze Emperor secretly contacts Admiral Daala, Turr Phennir, and the Moff Council. All three of them are unabashed former Imperial loyalists that practice certain Imperial policies to this day. Through charisma, manipulation, or sheer intimidation, ze Emperor persuades all three of them to understand that resistance is futile and they capitulate to Imperial rule, transferring a sizeable bulk (if not the whole) of the Fate of the Jedi military machine over to the Empire.

Then, he immediately shields himself through the Force as he did the first time he conquered the galaxy (since Palpatine only "lul got arrugante!" after he defeated his most powerful adversaries). Any Jedi would then be unable to locate him through the Force; Palpatine could also keep this up indefinitely, since he did so for decades without ten thousand Jedi noticing.

Then, through his spy network and GAG intelligence, he identifies the major Jedi strongholds and locations and obliterates them with overwhelming firepower from orbit. The Jedi would be unprepared and destroyed; the Jedi Council is eliminated.

Palpatine orders his Grand Admirals to begin subjugating any rebellious area, seizes the technology from the Maw Installation and begins to outfit it to the rest of his military machine; then he commands Grand Admiral Thrawn and a cadre of dark side adepts to take a sizeable task force to begin hunting Luke Skywalker throughout the galaxy.

Palpatine, a superior strategist, then orders the creation of countless cloning banks while remaining shielded from the Force until Skywalker is found and eliminated.

The Empire winz lawl effortlessly!

joo lyke dat, N? should i post moar?

Originally posted by Gideon
Ze best one:

Ze Emperor secretly contacts Admiral Daala, Turr Phennir, and the Moff Council. All three of them are unabashed former Imperial loyalists that practice certain Imperial policies to this day. Through charisma, manipulation, or sheer intimidation, ze Emperor persuades all three of them to understand that resistance is futile and they capitulate to Imperial rule, transferring a sizeable bulk (if not the whole) of the Fate of the Jedi military machine over to the Empire.

Then, he immediately shields himself through the Force as he did the first time he conquered the galaxy (since Palpatine only "lul got arrugante!" after he defeated his most powerful adversaries). Any Jedi would then be unable to locate him through the Force; Palpatine could also keep this up indefinitely, since he did so for decades without ten thousand Jedi noticing.

Then, through his spy network and GAG intelligence, he identifies the major Jedi strongholds and locations and obliterates them with overwhelming firepower from orbit. The Jedi would be unprepared and destroyed; the Jedi Council is eliminated.

Palpatine orders his Grand Admirals to begin subjugating any rebellious area, seizes the technology from the Maw Installation and begins to outfit it to the rest of his military machine; then he commands Grand Admiral Thrawn and a cadre of dark side adepts to take a sizeable task force to begin hunting Luke Skywalker throughout the galaxy.

Palpatine, a superior strategist, then orders the creation of countless cloning banks while remaining shielded from the Force until Skywalker is found and eliminated.

The Empire winz lawl effortlessly!

This is far more flawed and less plausible that mine.

For example, the government and the people would not let Daala join Sidious, nor would Daala, since DAALA ADMITTED THAT SIDIOUS WAS EVIL!

joo lyke dat, N? should i post moar?

Naw, I think he's had enough.

edit: Errr, though I have been wrong before.

Spoiler:
The Ignored One seems to not like this

Oh, and because Luke is stupid, all of this will definitely happen. Since in the Shamed One's world, Sidious is always retardedly arrogant, in my world, Luke is always retardedly retarded.

So ze Empire wins lol

@Gideon

You contradict yourself.

YOU SAID BEFORE THAT LUKE WAS A COMPETENT GENERAL!

Competent does NOT mean stupid.

At least I don't contradict myself this blatantly.

💃

HWKA: You are destroying yourself. Take a long look at yourself, and SNAP OUT OF IT. You are busy losing all credibility. Every single mentioned plan is AS GOOD AS YOURS. You are clinging to yours and pointing out "flaws" that are merely YOUR OPINION. Get a life.

You are picking ONE POSSIBLE minute scenario where the LOTF galaxy could win, and clinging to it like a baby bottle.

You are rejecting all scenario's where the Empire wins as "illogical" without a MITE of evidence. Grow up. We don't operate in "what ifs" here. That is NOT how this works. Conceivably Boba Fett could take Luke Skywalker if he were able to time his shots right, but we don't cater to "what if" scenarios, we cater to what is going to logically happen.

For your own sake, stop this now, take a long look at what you are doing, learn from it and mend your ways. I'm seriously trying to help you here.

I'm seriously trying to help you here.

I literally laughed out loud smirked a little.

Originally posted by truejedi
HWKA: You are destroying yourself. Take a long look at yourself, and SNAP OUT OF IT. You are busy losing all credibility. Every single mentioned plan is AS GOOD AS YOURS. You are clinging to yours and pointing out "flaws" that are merely YOUR OPINION. Get a life.

You are picking ONE POSSIBLE minute scenario where the LOTF galaxy could win, and clinging to it like a baby bottle.

You are rejecting all scenario's where the Empire wins as "illogical" without a MITE of evidence. Grow up. We don't operate in "what ifs" here. That is NOT how this works. Conceivably Boba Fett could take Luke Skywalker if he were able to time his shots right, but we don't cater to "what if" scenarios, we cater to what is going to logically happen.

For your own sake, stop this now, take a long look at what you are doing, learn from it and mend your ways. I'm seriously trying to help you here.

To be honest, I do agree with you in many ways in that I believe this thread is damaging my reputation, and I thank you for being nice to me.

I do believe that my plan is more valid than Gideon's, and did indeed provide evidence for it in some of my posts, but, no offense, but I highly doubt that you guys would read it.

Again, can somebody tell me how to request a mod to close a thread?

Send REXX a pm? He just closed a tread in the EU forum, so just go there.

Just stop posting... seriously... do you need someone to close it in order to control yourself from posting? It was already at the bottom of the active threads when you bumped it. What a dumb****.

Also, I sent you a PM.

Not to toot my own horn but-

Originally posted by Moi:
And your argument is that: Luke Skywalker and co assassinate Palpatine and without their leader the Empire collapses. Which was defeated pages ago with a single word: Resurrection. End of discussion.

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Only becuase he died faaaaaar away from any imperial forces or clones that he could inhabit, meaning that his spirit had to actually travel through the void of space to resurrect (which btw probably means it can travel at lightspeeds). In the case of an assassination he will not be in the same circumstances and will be able do so much quicker, as evidenced by Dark Empire. And they'd need to find him first. As Gideon pointed out, they have no chance of finding him through the Force.

edit: Also, wookie says that he resurrected much quicker than it appeared that he did, but was unable to go anywhere becuase of complications with his vessal, Jeng Droga.

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He had to travel from Endor to the Yushan/Kaal sector. I haven't been able to find where that system is exactly yet but its not in the same solar system as Endor, so he'd have had to have travelled m/billions of miles to get there at the very least.

For more info on Palpatines resurrection: Wookie it jerkface!

Originally posted by Gideon:
You all do realize that the length of time was increased dramatically so Palpatine could continue his dark side studies and manipulate the Empire's internal strife to his advantage?

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You're going to learn that that's not how we debate here. You need factual basis. Facts. Facts. How is Luke going to evade the Empire's security? Facts. How is Luke going to find Palpatine despite the Emperor's ability to shield himself in the Force? Facts. How is Luke going to deal with the Emperor's ability to resurrect? Facts.

In short, not only would it be impossible for Luke to actually find Palpatine through the Force, so he will instead have to rely on an information network to find him, of which Palps is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better at manipulating and utilising than him, but the Emperor can (unless facing complications like he did in canon which isn't acceptable to use in a forum setting btw) resurrect fast enough to stop his Empire crumbling. He will not let his ****ing Empire get the shit kicked out of it by the FOTJ group as you stupidly claimed and will ultimately rise to lead again, but this time they really will have zero effing chance of finding him. So your rediculous premise fails almost as hard as you do every second you continue to propogate it.

For the rest of the thread, this still stands:

Originally posted by Gideon:
The reason everyone's railing against HWKN and this thread is because he continues to display the same behavior that was made manifest in his first thread involving the Empire. After constructing a rather straightforward scenario, HWKN desperately manufactures a series of dubious and bullshit circumstances that favors his chosen side. In this scenario, though, the Empire is going to win:

* The Fate of the Jedi-era galaxy has already been wracked by a series of devastating wars, with few opportunities to supplement its depleted military.
* The three major factions (the Galactic Alliance, the Imperial Remnant, and the Confederation) are all led or controlled by Imperials. It's probable that, especially when faced with the Empire's military superiority, they'd defect to Palpatine.
* The new Jedi Order isn't going to be that decisive of an advantage; Palpatine was fielding his own corps. of Force powerful adepts. Lest we forget, two of them (Mara Jade and Lumiya) were able to nearly slaughter two of the Jedi's most powerful members (Jacen and Luke) on their own.
* The Imperial Palace would largely be immune to insurrection, but what if Palpatine isn't even there? What if he's out amongst his enormous Navy? Millions of ships, trillions upon trillions of members? How's Luke going to find him when Palpatine's easily capable of concealing his presence in the Force?
* Speaking of Palpatine, he's already the galaxy's foremost strategist, capable of not only hiding his Force presence and diminishing the Force powers of others, but he's already gained the ability to resurrect. What's going to stop him from just being reborn in a new clone body if they capture or kill him?
* What about Thrawn? Zaarin? Vader? Tarkin? And the host of other competent or brilliant Imperial strategists, tacticians, or masterminds?

The Empire's going to win, one way or another.

Again, what source mentions Sidious's spirit having to travel or something?

Are you suggesting its instantaneous? Or are you saying he just fell all the way from Endor to the Kaal system? 😬

So, are you ready to admit that you were wrong like you were oh so bragging about earlier? I promise I won't gloat at all.

edit: Its just cuz you've been hovering for like an hour now...

edit: Oh look, you miraculously disappeared right after I said that. How odd.

Well, I'm asking for evidence that supports your claim that the reason why Sidious didn't resurrect quickly after ROTJ was because his spirit had to travel far.

After the destruction of the second Death Star, Palpatine's spirit was forced to journey in the maddening, bodiless existence of the void, eventually taking possession of the body of Emperor's Hand Jeng Droga. Palpatine called out to Sate Pestage, who rescued the broken body from Kaal and returned it to Byss. Though Droga went mad in the process, he was able to journey to Byss, where Palpatine was able to take possession of a clone of himself. There, on Byss, he would remain for years and would rebuild his strength and Empire. Resurrected, Palpatine planned to replace the Galactic Empire with a "Dark Empire", a universe-spanning magocracy ruled through the dark side of the Force alone, without the need for regional governors or technological domination.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Palpatine#Palpatine_reborn_.284.E2.80.9311_ABY.29

BAM THERE IT IS LOL

I don't see the time in which it would take for Sidious to resurrect would be much different this time around.

If you'd have actually have read the link I posted or shown a modicum of effort you'd know that there were various complications with his resurrection. He first had to actually get to Droga (which he did within at most a few months), who was insane and stranded on Kaal at the time, then he was further stalled by Sate Pestage fathing around trying to be Emperor, then he had to wait for the git to haul ass over to him and get him into a clone body and by that time things had gone to shit and he was content to just watch the Warlords beat each other senseless as he grew and made his move. He made no moves to return for 6ish years and it should be noted that at no point did he consider the Rebellion a serious threat, as he would the FOTJ, which is why he made no serious attempts at power. Not that that has any application on the thread as the FOTJ is a threat, he'll resurrect much faster and its likely that in a war-time situation he'd actually mention to some people what'll happen if he cops it.

Sources:
* "From the Files of Corellia Antilles"—Star Wars Adventure Journal 14
* "The Emperor's Pawns"—Star Wars Gamer 5
* The Dark Forces Saga, Part 1 on Wizards.com (original article link, backup links 1 2 on Archive.org, 1 2 on Google cache)
* The Dark Forces Saga, Part 4 on Wizards.com (original article link, backup links 1 2 on Archive.org, 1 2 on Google cache)
* "The History of the Mandalorians"—Star Wars Insider 80
* Jedi vs. Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force
* The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia
* Dark Empire Sourcebook

Now kindly admit defeat, like you said you do, despite the fact that I've never, ever, ever seen you do so. Or Fvck off.