Originally posted by Nephthys
Only becuase he died faaaaaar away from any imperial forces or clones that he could inhabit, meaning that his spirit had to actually travel through the void of space to resurrect (which btw probably means it can travel at lightspeeds). In the case of an assassination he will not be in the same circumstances and will be able do so much quicker, as evidenced by Dark Empire. And they'd need to find him first. As Gideon pointed out, they have no chance of finding him through the Force.edit: Also, wookie says that he resurrected much quicker than it appeared that he did, but was unable to go anywhere becuase of complications with his vessal, Jeng Droga.
Source that says this (about the first paragraph)?
He had to travel from Endor to the Yushan/Kaal sector. I haven't been able to find where that system is exactly yet but its not in the same solar system as Endor, so he'd have had to have travelled m/billions of miles to get there at the very least.
For more info on Palpatines resurrection: Clickity
HWKN is on ignore, I'm going to go out on a limb and conclude that he's contending the Empire will still lose because of the length of time it would take for the Emperor to resurrect?
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You all do realize that the length of time was increased dramatically so Palpatine could continue his dark side studies and manipulate the Empire's internal strife to his advantage?
Originally posted by Gideon
HWKN is on ignore, I'm going to go out on a limb and conclude that he's contending the Empire will still lose because of the length of time it would take for the Emperor to resurrect?🙄
You all do realize that the length of time was increased dramatically so Palpatine could continue his dark side studies and manipulate the Empire's internal strife to his advantage?
So perhaps he'd do that again, and when he resurrects the Empire would be gone.
Originally posted by Gideon
Seriously, N, just put him on ignore and keep him there. When he's ready to do things the right way and abandon his overwhelming ineptitude, he can return to civilization.
You don't even know what I said. For all you know it could have been valid, or it could have been praising you for your awesomeness.
Seriously; I think you're just mad because I argued against Sidious/the Empire.
cool
Now, this is my final post for you, HWKN, since you're very likely still b1tching as you apparently where to Lord Lucien and Eminence about everyone picking on you:
No one cares that you're calling out Nai and company for fellating the ancient Sith and no one cares that you're arguing against the Empire. The problem is how you argue it. This entire thread is littered with DESPERATE ATTEMPTS to fellate your chosen side. Do you know what that means?
Spoiler:
You're no different from Nai.
Shocking, isn't it? You attack a guy for using retarded logic and arriving to an equally retarded conclusion and yet you do the same damn thing. You've simply handwaved the Empire's unrelenting superiority and Palpatine's unique advantages aside in a desperate attempt to show that he loses. That you did this repeatedly in your first epicfail thread suggests a pattern of incompetence.
When confronted with the Empire's overwhelming military superiority,
You
LOL THEN LUKE WALKS IN AN KILLS HIM LOLOLOL!!1!
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Really? Don't you think he'd probably get killed before he makes it to the Emperor?
You
LOLK WELL HE HAS A DOZEN COUNCIL MASTERS AND THEY ARE ALL BATTLE MELDEDED!!1!
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You do realize that Palpatine surrounds himself with outrageous security, right?
You
LOL LUKE FARTS AND THE CAMERAS SHUT DOWN AND THE DROIDS EXPLODE AND THE SENSORS BUST AND THE GUARDS CRY AND HE WALKS IN AND PWNS PALPY
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Oh come on, man. How's he going to find Palpatine?
You
LOL THREW DA FORCE
But... Palpatine can hide himself in the Force.
You
IN ANYWHERE BUT THIS THREAD LAWL
You do realize that Palpatine, at this point, also possesses the ability to resurrect?
You
SOMETHING STUPID SOMETHING STUPID SOMETHING STUPID
You're going to learn that that's not how we debate here. You need factual basis. Facts. Facts. How is Luke going to evade the Empire's security? Facts. How is Luke going to find Palpatine despite the Emperor's ability to shield himself in the Force? Facts. How is Luke going to deal with the Emperor's ability to resurrect? Facts.
You have none. All you have is an incessant list of yabuts, possibilities, and circumstantial hypotheticals.
In short, I win, you lose.
When you accept your monumental stupidity and change it to our standards, you may resume interaction with us.
Til then, fvck off.
Originally posted by Gideon
coolNow, this is my final post for you, HWKN, since you're very likely still b1tching as you apparently where to Lord Lucien and Eminence about everyone picking on you:
No one cares that you're calling out Nai and company for fellating the ancient Sith and no one cares that you're arguing against the Empire. The problem is how you argue it. This entire thread is littered with [b]DESPERATE ATTEMPTS
to fellate your chosen side. Do you know what that means?Spoiler:
You're no different from Nai.Shocking, isn't it? You attack a guy for using retarded logic and arriving to an equally retarded conclusion and yet you do the same damn thing. You've simply handwaved the Empire's unrelenting superiority and Palpatine's unique advantages aside in a desperate attempt to show that he loses. That you did this repeatedly in your first epicfail thread suggests a pattern of incompetence.
When confronted with the Empire's overwhelming military superiority,
...
Really? Don't you think he'd probably get killed before he makes it to the Emperor?
...
You do realize that Palpatine surrounds himself with outrageous security, right?
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Oh come on, man. How's he going to find Palpatine?
But... Palpatine can hide himself in the Force.
You do realize that Palpatine, at this point, also possesses the ability to resurrect?
You're going to learn that that's not how we debate here. You need factual basis. Facts. Facts. How is Luke going to evade the Empire's security? Facts. How is Luke going to find Palpatine despite the Emperor's ability to shield himself in the Force? Facts. How is Luke going to deal with the Emperor's ability to resurrect? Facts.
You have none. All you have is an incessant list of yabuts, possibilities, and circumstantial hypotheticals.
In short, I win, you lose.
When you accept your monumental stupidity and change it to our standards, you may resume interaction with us.
Til then, fvck off. [/B]
I DID use facts. Luke has FACTUALLY gotten past security before using Force techniques. Sidous FACTUALLY won't be able to hide himself in the Force all the time, nor would he since he's FACTUALLY arrogant. Sidious also FACTUALLY isn't always in Coruscant. What about when he's on the Death Star, which he FACTUALLY has gone to many times before?
I'm not really "handwaving them" way, or if I am, I'm doing it using EVIDENCE and LOGIC.
Whether or not you think my arguments are valid isn't the point. The point is that I DO use evidence.
Oh, and if I'm apparently no better than Nai, why don't you have Nai on ignore? Or do you already?
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
I DID use facts. Luke has FACTUALLY gotten past security before using Force techniques. Sidous FACTUALLY won't be able to hide himself in the Force all the time, nor would he since he's FACTUALLY arrogant. Sidious also FACTUALLY isn't always in Coruscant. What about when he's on the Death Star, which he FACTUALLY has gone to many times before?I'm not really "handwaving them" way, or if I am, I'm doing it using EVIDENCE and LOGIC.
Whether or not you think my arguments are valid isn't the point. The point is that I DO use evidence.
Oh, and if I'm apparently no better than Nai, why don't you have Nai on ignore? Or do you already?
You are creating scenarios. That is simply too easy. You saying the Jedi CAN take sidious down in a very specific situation doesn't mean that they WOULD. I COULD say that Sidious could send Mara Jade to the jedi to infiltrate, sleep with Luke, and assassinate him while he sleeps. It doesn't mean it is likely, but I could come up with something that would get around ANY objection you had. You are story writing, and its a poor way to compare factions.
Originally posted by truejedi
You are creating scenarios. That is simply too easy. You saying the Jedi CAN take sidious down in a very specific situation doesn't mean that they WOULD. I COULD say that Sidious could send Mara Jade to the jedi to infiltrate, sleep with Luke, and assassinate him while he sleeps. It doesn't mean it is likely, but I could come up with something that would get around ANY objection you had. You are story writing, and its a poor way to compare factions.
About the Mara scenario, are you talking about for this thread? That's less plausible than mine by a huge margin, since Mara is Luke's wife and hates Sidious by now. And no, you wouldn't be able to come up with a VALID rebuttal to each of my objections, but in my scenario I can. Am I right? That's debatable. But my rebuttals are valid.
The thing is that, as you just said, they CAN take down Sidious. And it IS likely, because the facts support it. The facts do not support the Mara scenario, so that's an invalid analogy.
But either way, can Rex or some other mod please close this thread? It's getting out of hand.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
About the Mara scenario, are you talking about for this thread? That's less plausible than mine by a huge margin, since Mara is Luke's wife and hates Sidious by now. And no, you wouldn't be able to come up with a VALID rebuttal to each of my objections, but in my scenario I can. Am I right? That's debatable. But my rebuttals are valid.The thing is that, as you just said, they CAN take down Sidious. And it IS likely, because the facts support it. The facts do not support the Mara scenario, so that's an invalid analogy.
But either way, can Rex or some other mod please close this thread? It's getting out of hand.
Really? You just dismiss my scenario out of hand? Like it was poorly thought out? When you are defending EXACTLY such a scenario?
I could play the game of pointing out your errors: Sidious had complete control over Mara. Anytime he gave her a command, she had no choice but follow it. Only his death finally gave her freedom, but still not until she followed his final command. He could simply send her a subliminal force command she could not resist.
Its too easy. And its stupid. No one is suggesting its a likely scenario. Yours isn't either, ABSOLUTY EVERYTHING would have to go right for them even to attempt that, much less succeed.
Sure it COULD happen, but what is the point of that? That isn't how these threads work. We can't predict something like that, and its just everyone making up scenarios for their favorites.
Originally posted by truejedi
Really? You just dismiss my scenario out of hand? Like it was poorly thought out? When you are defending EXACTLY such a scenario?
I don't mean any offense, since your scenario was just supposed to be an analogy, but yes, it was poorly thought out.
I could play the game of pointing out your errors: Sidious had complete control over Mara. Anytime he gave her a command, she had no choice but follow it. Only his death finally gave her freedom, but still not until she followed his final command. He could simply send her a subliminal force command she could not resist.
So Sidious actually sort of had mind control over Mara? Are you sure? And Mara can't resist it or something? What source mentions this?
Its too easy. And its stupid. No one is suggesting its a likely scenario. Yours isn't either, ABSOLUTY EVERYTHING would have to go right for them even to attempt that, much less succeed.
"absolutely everything"? No. They still have multiple fail safes. For example, if the security detects Luke and the Council, they can just do a speed blitz. Given how fast Luke already is, using Battle Meld he'd be quite a bit faster than Sidious - or any of Sidous's security short of starfighters. Remember that Luke could already move faster than the eye could see.
Sure it COULD happen, but what is the point of that? That isn't how these threads work. We can't predict something like that, and its just everyone making up scenarios for their favorites.
Isn't that the case with every vs. thread here? We try and come up with an answer using evidence and logical reasoning, which I am using here.
Either way though, this thread should close now. I don't know how to report a thread though. How do you? Do you just PM a mod?
Originally posted by Gideon
🙄The alternative is that you quit being a drama queen: if you're done with the thread, just stop posting here.
Well, I react quite a bit when people insult me, a trait that a lot of you love to prey on. 😛 It's hard for me to resist, which is why it would be beneficial if a mod like Rex were to close this.
TJ
Sure it COULD happen, but what is the point of that? That isn't how these threads work. We can't predict something like that, and its just everyone making up scenarios for their favorites.
Or Sidious captures Ben and commands Luke to commit suicide live via the HoloNet or he'll disembowell his son.
Or Sidious captures BenHan, Leia, and company and commands Luke to commit suicide live via the HoloNet or he'll disembowell his sonthem.
Or Sidious captures BenHanLeiaall of them and commands Luke to commit suicide live via the HoloNet or he'll disembowell his sonthemLuke's entire family.
Or Sidious bombards the Jedi Temple from orbit.
Or Sidious starts razing planets at random until Luke surrenders and kills himself.
And so on. I bet I could come up with a million of these bad boys.
Originally posted by Gideon
Or Sidious captures Ben and commands Luke to commit suicide live via the HoloNet or he'll disembowell his son.Or Sidious captures
BenHan, Leia, and company and commands Luke to commit suicide live via the HoloNet or he'll disembowellhis sonthem.Or Sidious captures
BenHanLeiaall of them and commands Luke to commit suicide live via the HoloNet or he'll disembowellhis sonthemLuke's entire family.Or Sidious bombards the Jedi Temple from orbit.
Or Sidious starts razing planets at random until Luke surrenders and kills himself.
And so on. I bet I could come up with a million of these bad boys.
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All of these are flawed numerous ways, but I suspect that you know that. FYI though, an analogy that contains flaws that aren't present in the thing you're trying to use the analogy on is flawed.
Your "threatening Luke" ones:
They'd have to capture the hostages first, which would be extremely difficult.
Luke isn't a fool. He knows that Sidious would just kill them anyway.
Your "bombardment" one:
He'd have to get to Coruscant first and defeat the defending forces there as well as get through the planetary shield, and the Jedi could simply evacuate.
Your "razing planets" one:
Luke is no fool. He knows that the only way to stop Sidious from razing planets would be to stop, aka in this case kill, Sidious.
So these "bad boy" ideas of yours are far more ridiculous than mine.