Rogue (full Power) vs. Amazo

Yo.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree, the jla line up is more powerful but 90% of the people on the jla line up possess the same powers. Its about the quality of the powers that both have at there desposal and rogue has a better quality of powers.

I agree, amazo has powerful people in his powerset but the people that he has, almost all of them possess the same abilities whereas rogues powers is different in all ways and give her more to work with.

ok, this was the line-up recently: Black Canary, Green Lantern, Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, Red Tornado, Vixen, Hawkgirl, Black Lightning, Red Arrow.

so which ppl make up the 90% that have the same powers?!??

Originally posted by carver9
Rogue wins this against current amazo; the other amazo in the upper scan from raoul would probably win.

thats like saying the BEST Amazo could take out *current* Rogue..........kinda pointless.

Tazer

Also, Amazo showed the ability to copy Zatanna's ability to cast magic using reverse speech.

And also Firestorm and I think Flash was there for him to copy in JLA 23 and 24.

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

ok, this was the line-up recently: Black Canary, Green Lantern, Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, Red Tornado, Vixen, Hawkgirl, Black Lightning, Red Arrow.

so which ppl make up the 90% that have the same powers?!??

thats like saying the BEST Amazo could take out *current* Rogue..........kinda pointless.

Tazer

So you honestly think that line up of people powers is more versatile and powerful than someone that has:

Scarlet witch hex powers, Magneto, Hulk, Storm, Northstar, Iceman, Kitty pride Professor x, Jean grey, Kitty pride, thor, Night crawler, cyclops, Bishop (dont want to name anymore, this should be enough).

The jla line up granted Amazo (superman) super strength, speed, high end durability, heat vision, ice breath, and xray vision. (Wonderwoman) she basically didnt provide him anything but an increase in reflexes and a lasso since he got majority of her powers from supes.(green lantern) create things with a thought (one of his most versatile powers).
(Black Canary) sonic yell (not that impressive if you ask me.). (Batman) really didnt give him anything but it did show him throwing batarangs. (Red tornado), create high winds (classic red tornado was a beast and was descrided as being the most powerful being on the planet. More powerful than precrisis supes). (Vixen) dont know much about her, she lame to me but what I do know of her is the ability to absorb powers along with her animal traits that she use to amp herself. (Hawk girl) he earned some wings and a mallet. (Black lightning) he earned the ability to generate red light AND shoot bolts of lightning out. (Red Arrow) Shoot bowing arrows.

Rogue possess:

Hulks: Strength, high end durability, healing factor and the ability to adapt all of these to unknown levels due to emotions.
Magneto: control the light spectrum along with ALL forms of metal. Impenetrable force field and the list goes on with him.
Bishop: absorb kinetic energy and release it through the hands or eyes (<-- done once).
Nightcrawler: high end agility along with the ability to teleport anywhere within a mile radius at a thought.
Thor: high end damage soak ability along with incaculable strength.
Northstar: reflexes and flight is at the speed of light.
Storm: Controls the weather from tornado's, hurricanes, ice, lightning, etc....
Scarlet witch: basically anything she think of happens.
Iceman: deep freeze ability along with the ability to rearange from nothing due to the moisture in the air.
Jean grey: high end telekinesis and telepath
Kitty pride: becomes intagible. Cant be touched by anything short of adamantium.
Cyclops: Shoot powerful blast from his eyes.

I'll let you decide on who's more powerful.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Also, Amazo showed the ability to copy Zatanna's ability to cast magic using reverse speech.

And also Firestorm and I think Flash was there for him to copy in JLA 23 and 24.

Very true but he didnt use it except that one time.

why do you keep bringing up cyclops, shadowcat, storm and bishop? their powers aren't going to bother someone like amazo in the slightest.

and this isn't HOM wanda that rogue has the powers of, its standard hex wanda, iirc. not exactly a world beater.

Originally posted by carver9
Very true but he didnt use it except that one time.

once is enough.

Originally posted by carver9
Very true but he didnt use it except that one time.

Originally posted by -Pr-
why do you keep bringing up cyclops, shadowcat, storm and bishop? their powers aren't going to bother someone like amazo in the slightest.

and this isn't HOM wanda that rogue has the powers of, its standard hex wanda, iirc. not exactly a world beater.

once is enough.

Whats up raoul.

I agree, once is enough.

You dont think cyclops blast or storms weather, or kitty pride intagibility or bishop absorbing abilities wont play its part in a fight against amazo. Bishop has some amazing absorbing feats. How is amazo touching kitty pride if she activate her intagibility? Cyclops powers is debatable, I cant see a lot of people standing up to a full optic blast from cyke; you know, the same blast that was stated on panel as being able to rip a small planet in half.

Scarlet witch has some amazing showings with her hex powers, not just hom. Overrall she's very powerful.

Originally posted by Badabing
Amazo has copied magic more than once. But I don't have the scans... 🙁

I believe you, you dont have to put up the scans. Its within his powers to do so. 💃

Originally posted by carver9
Whats up raoul.

I agree, once is enough.

You dont think cyclops blast or storms weather, or kitty pride intagibility or bishop absorbing abilities wont play its part in a fight against amazo. Bishop has some amazing absorbing feats. How is amazo touching kitty pride if she activate her intagibility? Cyclops powers is debatable, I cant see a lot of people standing up to a full optic blast from cyke; you know, the same blast that was stated on panel as being able to rip a small planet in half.

Scarlet witch has some amazing showings with her hex powers, not just hom. Overrall she's very powerful.

cyclops blast? no.
storm's weather powers are invalidated by black lightning and tornado.
what kitty can do, flash, gl and superman can do better.
bishop's absorption? against zatanna's magic, firestorm's abilities or GL's ring?

the blast was hyperbole, and there is zero proof that it could rip a planet in half. i wish that weren't the case, but it is.

her amazing showings don't put her in amazo's league, though.

how has this thread made it this far?

Yo.

Originally posted by carver9
So you honestly think that line up of people powers is more versatile and powerful than someone that has:

thats not wat I said at all. U claimed that 90% of the JLA have the same powers; I showed U the most recent line-up and asked u to show how that was possible.

Tazer

Originally posted by -Pr-
cyclops blast? no.
storm's weather powers are invalidated by black lightning and tornado.
what kitty can do, flash, gl and superman can do better.
bishop's absorption? against zatanna's magic, firestorm's abilities or GL's ring?

the blast was hyperbole, and there is zero proof that it could rip a planet in half. i wish that weren't the case, but it is.

her amazing showings don't put her in amazo's league, though.

So her being classified as the most powerful being in the world doesnt put her on his level.

Her outright STOMPING the xmen and avenger entire line up by herself with it taking the phoenix to stop her doesnt put her on amazo league.

I agree, it was hyperbole with the cyclops statement.

How is amazo even touching an intagible rogue? You're underrating kitty prides intagibility.

How did amazo use fire storms powers? The only thing I seen him do with it was shoot blast, same for gl?

How is amazo going to fight someone that has hulk strength (which would continuously grow throughout the battle) and hulk and thors durability, along with northstar speed (fighting at the speed of light)?

Also answer this, since we know that amazo is a cyborg, how is he getting past magneto powers? Do you have any kind of proof that he can reverse magneto powers from ripping him into tiny pieces that would be thrown across the universe?

Another thing, he's far away from being invulnerable since we have batman ripping through his leg with a lasor. We have flash going mach 1 stabbing him with a sphere through the chest. 😕

Originally posted by carver9
So her being classified as the most powerful being in the world doesnt put her on his level.

Her outright STOMPING the xmen and avenger entire line up by herself with it taking the phoenix to stop her doesnt put her on amazo league.

I agree, it was hyperbole with the cyclops statement.

How is amazo even touching an intagible rogue? You're underrating kitty prides intagibility.

How did amazo use fire storms powers? The only thing I seen him do with it was shoot blast, same for gl?

How is amazo going to fight someone that has hulk strength (which would continuously grow throughout the battle) and hulk and thors durability, along with northstar speed (fighting at the speed of light)?

Also answer this, since we know that amazo is a cyborg, how is he getting past magneto powers? Do you have any kind of proof that he can reverse magneto powers from ripping him into tiny pieces that would be thrown across the universe?

Another thing, he's far away from being invulnerable since we have batman ripping through his leg with a lasor. We have flash going mach 1 stabbing him with a sphere through the chest. 😕

HoM was the most powerful being in the world, not standard hex wanda.

i'm not underrating kitty at all. i'm simply saying that it becomes pointless when amazo can do it better.

amazo has used firestorm's powers before. he also smacked down jason by travelling interdimensionally to turn his powers off.

because this amazo has superman and wonder woman's strength and durability, and can amp it with both GL and Vixen. that's > hulk and thor.

northstar <<<<<<<<<<<< flash by a long way. even superman is arguably quicker than northstar.

the gl ring can protect him from magneto's powers easily.

so you want to use low showings when he isn't using all his powers, then, even though in the match he's allowed to?

Originally posted by carver9

Powers that ranging from cykes blast (which isnt heat vision, its basically being hit by a hundred tonner repeatadly).

Originally posted by -Pr-
HoM was the most powerful being in the world, not standard hex wanda.

i'm not underrating kitty at all. i'm simply saying that it becomes pointless when amazo can do it better.

amazo has used firestorm's powers before. he also smacked down jason by travelling interdimensionally to turn his powers off.

because this amazo has superman and wonder woman's strength and durability, and can amp it with both GL and Vixen. that's > hulk and thor.

northstar <<<<<<<<<<<< flash by a long way. even superman is arguably quicker than northstar.

the gl ring can protect him from magneto's powers easily.

so you want to use low showings when he isn't using all his powers, then, even though in the match he's allowed to?

Rogue doesnt have hom wanda's powers, I'm not referring to her. Regular Wanda was powerful and when I said the most powerful in the world I was referring to rogue, when they classified her as the most powerful being on the planet.

How is amazo going to become more intagible as kitty? Thats next to impossible.

I cant recall him using firestorms powers other than blasting things.

How is a gl or vixen amping superman/wonderwomans abilities? Also, what case does that bring you even if it could that he would be stronger than someone that doesnt have a limit towards his strength (hulk).

Answer this, how fast does the flash have to go to enter the speed force? To my knowledge its light speed and since amazo has flash powers (doesnt have the ability to generate the speed force, nothing to prove this on panel) then his only max speed is the speed of light which would make him equal to rogue. Supes, lets not go there, I'm leaving this alone, want to stay on topic.

I disagree with the gl ring protecting him from a being of magneto caliber of magnetism. If metal is there, I dont think theres anything stop magneto from tampering with it. Hes the master of magnetism.

How is that a low showing, does he have the ability to change his durability during battles. He was pierce a thousand times throughout his fight with the jla. He question his durability when he fought diana by dodging her punch to the face instead of just taking it. His durability was lacking and the powers that rogue possess would rip all in him if he's not careful.

Originally posted by jalek moye
heat vision has the same effect along with heat

No it doesnt. Cyclop blast is a concussive blast whereas supes heat vision burns the hell out of you.

Now I do remember times where supes has actually pushed people back with his heat vision but its still different than cykes blast.

Originally posted by carver9
Rogue doesnt have hom wanda's powers, I'm not referring to her. Regular Wanda was powerful and when I said the most powerful in the world I was referring to rogue, when they classified her as the most powerful being on the planet.

oh right, my bad.

How is amazo going to become more intagible as kitty? Thats next to impossible.

how? a gl can do it with no effort.

I cant recall him using firestorms powers other than blasting things.

he does have them though, and the knowledge to use them. that's how amazo works.

How is a gl or vixen amping superman/wonderwomans abilities? Also, what case does that bring you even if it could that he would be stronger than someone that doesnt have a limit towards his strength (hulk).

a gl (as hal did) can amp his strength to superman levels. vixen can call on her own powers to add to that.

Answer this, how fast does the flash have to go to enter the speed force? To my knowledge its light speed and since amazo has flash powers (doesnt have the ability to generate the speed force, nothing to prove this on panel) then his only max speed is the speed of light which would make him equal to rogue. Supes, lets not go there, I'm leaving this alone, want to stay on topic.

no. amazo blitzed wally. you read the comic didn't you?

he doesn't have to enter the speedforce to break lightspeed. i don't know where you got that idea.

I disagree with the gl ring protecting him from a being of magneto caliber of magnetism. If metal is there, I dont think theres anything stop magneto from tampering with it. Hes the master of magnetism.

a gl's shield can block psionic signals from penetrating it. magneto's control over magnetism is psionic. therefore, a gl ring can do it.

or with firestorm's powers, he could simply transmute his own body in to something less metallic.

How is that a low showing, does he have the ability to change his durability during battles. He was pierce a thousand times throughout his fight with the jla. He question his durability when he fought diana by dodging her punch to the face instead of just taking it. His durability was lacking and the powers that rogue possess would rip all in him if he's not careful.

he has to activate superman's powers to use superman's durability. he doesn't just automatically have it once he drains it. once he turns them on, he's golden.

Originally posted by carver9
No it doesnt. Cyclop blast is a concussive blast whereas supes heat vision burns the hell out of you.

Now I do remember times where supes has actually pushed people back with his heat vision but its still different than cykes blast.

superman's blast does have concussive force, though.

Yo.

Originally posted by carver9
How is amazo going to become more intagible as kitty? Thats next to impossible.

I dont know about MORE THAN, but he certainly can be AS intangible.

Originally posted by carver9
I cant recall him using firestorms powers other than blasting things.

he might not have, but that doesnt preclude him from being able to use it in the same way as FS

Originally posted by carver9
How is a gl or vixen amping superman/wonderwomans abilities? Also, what case does that bring you even if it could that he would be stronger than someone that doesnt have a limit towards his strength (hulk).

GLs can amp a normal humans STR to superhuman levels; Hal has done so a few times (last time I recall it being expressly done was against Mongul.

and while Hulk has no theoretical upper limit, its not like he starts out cl200 or anything.......

Originally posted by carver9
Answer this, how fast does the flash have to go to enter the speed force? To my knowledge its light speed and since amazo has flash powers (doesnt have the ability to generate the speed force, nothing to prove this on panel) then his only max speed is the speed of light which would make him equal to rogue. Supes, lets not go there, I'm leaving this alone, want to stay on topic.

no, its PAST ls; U have to hit just past C to break the time barrier, so U have to go faster than that.

and just so ya know the Marvels can go past C also, w/o access to the SF.

Originally posted by carver9
I disagree with the gl ring protecting him from a being of magneto caliber of magnetism. If metal is there, I dont think theres anything stop magneto from tampering with it. Hes the master of magnetism.

it would require all Rogue concentration using Mags power just to immobilize the Ring, meanwhile Amazo has other powers & abilities at its disposal to take the fight to her. meanwhile, it can protect itself by throwing up an anti-magnetic shield.

Tazer

Yo.

Why do you start all of your post off with this? Just curious.

I dont know about MORE THAN, but he certainly can be AS intangible.[/

I agree with this statement which raoul proved in the upper post.

he might not have, but that doesnt preclude him from being able to use it in the same way as FS

I agree but I at least want to see SOMETHING indicating that he can use his powers like firestorm. If you ask for the same from me, I could easily throw up a scan where rogue touched someone and gained there powers along with the ability to use that power.

and while Hulk has no theoretical upper limit, its not like he starts out cl200 or anything.......[/

Hulk might not start off at a class 200 but his strength can increase instantly unless you forgot about that surprise 150 billion ton mountain dropping on a hulk that was caught off guard and he held it up without to much trouble.

no, its PAST ls; U have to hit just past C to break the time barrier, so U have to go faster than that.

I agree; that was the main reason why jay borrowed black adams speed, so that he can hit light speed and beyond to enter the speed force.

no, its PAST ls; U have to hit just past C to break the time barrier, so U have to go faster than that.

I agree with this and its a scene that I remember (that I havent used against rauol yet) where flash needed someone as fast as him to reach the clock tower on the other side of the planet but both of them had to go light speed (I forgot the reason why, didnt read the book in a while) and superman admitted that he was unable to do it and chose Captain marvel as being fast enough to keep up with the flash. I always thought of the marvels speed=flash>supes; to much on panel evidence proving this.

t would require all Rogue concentration using Mags power just to immobilize the Ring, meanwhile Amazo has other powers & abilities at its disposal to take the fight to her. meanwhile, it can protect itself by throwing up an anti-magnetic shield.[/

I disagree; magneto has taken over the entire planet earth by controlling the electro magnetic spectrum surrounding earth (couldnt think of the right phrase to use, sleepy). He also change adamantium to liquid and has a thousand more things he has done. It would be a walk in the park at ripping amazo in half.

Yo.

Originally posted by carver9
Why do you start all of your post off with this? Just curious.

becuz thats how I answer the fone; true story. 😄

Originally posted by carver9
I agree but I at least want to see SOMETHING indicating that he can use his powers like firestorm. If you ask for the same from me, I could easily throw up a scan where rogue touched someone and gained there powers along with the ability to use that power.

sure, becuz thats how HER power works; Amazo does its thing thru a "absorption cells" of some sort, and as far as I can tell they simply *do* wat they do.

put it to ya this way: in JLA #23 he mimic'd Zatanna's *magic*, and used Reverse-Speech to render the effect. that sounds like proof enuff to me.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk might not start off at a class 200 but his strength can increase instantly unless you forgot about that surprise 150 billion ton mountain dropping on a hulk that was caught off guard and he held it up without to much trouble.

I didnt forget anything, and Hulk didnt hold up that WHOLE mountain.

the fact is that while it goes up w/his rage, its not like he goes from cl100 to cl150 in a single burst generally. could I give a quantification on how much it DOES increase by?? no, but it certainly wont put him out of reach of others who wanna fight'im..

Originally posted by carver9
I disagree; magneto has taken over the entire planet earth by controlling the electro magnetic spectrum surrounding earth (couldnt think of the right phrase to use, sleepy). He also change adamantium to liquid and has a thousand more things he has done. It would be a walk in the park at ripping amazo in half.

and he's also had his forcefields removed by Mjolnir, which means that since its still ENERGY, it can be messed with. and he's also not had to do so while FIGHTING anybody as powerful as a GL, which is a whole other thing completely.

so while its far from a definite thing, its still a possibility, as we ARE talking about somebody who can mimick a GL-Ring (which has made the possible reality many a time.

Tazer