Rogue (full Power) vs. Amazo

Yo.

Originally posted by carver9
LOL, you dont mind if i use that, do you.

*pfft!*

not at all; feel free. 😉

Originally posted by carver9
Who held it up with him?

nobody, cuz he only held up that part where they were caught under; I dont think *WE'RE* supposed to think that Hulk had the entire weight of that mountain on his back.

Originally posted by carver9
To many examples of hulk strength incresing immediately.

and theres just as many where they dont, which tells us that it doesnt happen ALL the time, and it certainly doesnt put him in an elite STR-tier right at the start of a fight.

Originally posted by carver9
Mjlonir is one of the most powerful weapon in Marvel u, it got past Cytorrak enchantment on Juggernaut and weakened him. Hell, mjlonir has accomplished so much, I'm surprised that thor himself isnt classified as a sky father.

Now if we use magneto shields at norm, he has taken a blast from galactus, the phoenix, a hammer toss from thor, etc.... so the gl affecting it is kind of debatable.

I dont think he'd be classified as a sky father since its not HIS POWER that accomplished those feats.......

taking a blast from something is different than something which specifically acts to dismantle a shields formation. IOW, a wall might withstand several sledge-hammer blows, but if U use a chisel *or* throw acid on that wall it can/will do the same feat. its just how 1 goes about it.

similarly, we're talking about ENERGY here, and this is something that GLs deal with all the time. so freakin' wat if the Ring doesnt simply breakthru, when it can just de-stabilize the energy pattern, weaken & then absorb it.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree, amazo is VERY powerful. I'll try to find more things on rogue to help out in this debate but the scans that I presented alone should be more than enough (simply said that she has control over EVERYONE powers that she touched) to prove that this would be a stalemate or a undecided fight in my eyes. Current amazo didnt seem as powerful to me as his classic self.

which is fine, cuz the OP didnt state which version of Amazo would be used at first, however Parm _did clarify_ which 1 was to be so a few pages ago.

Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

*pfft!*

not at all; feel free. 😉

nobody, cuz he only held up that part where they were caught under; I dont think *WE'RE* supposed to think that Hulk had the entire weight of that mountain on his back.

and theres just as many where they dont, which tells us that it doesnt happen ALL the time, and it certainly doesnt put him in an elite STR-tier right at the start of a fight.

I dont think he'd be classified as a sky father since its not HIS POWER that accomplished those feats.......

taking a blast from something is different than something which specifically acts to dismantle a shields formation. IOW, a wall might withstand several sledge-hammer blows, but if U use a chisel *or* throw acid on that wall it can/will do the same feat. its just how 1 goes about it.

similarly, we're talking about ENERGY here, and this is something that GLs deal with all the time. so freakin' wat if the Ring doesnt simply breakthru, when it can just de-stabilize the energy pattern, weaken & then absorb it.

which is fine, cuz the OP didnt state which version of Amazo would be used at first, however Parm _did clarify_ which 1 was to be so a few pages ago.

Tazer

Dont have much to say AGAINST this post, it was nothing but the truth.

I do have one comment though, in secret wars, it did state that hulk held 150 billions tons by himself. Then reed proceeded at making hulk mad so that he could throw the mountain off of them.

He soloed that feat.

Originally posted by -Pr-
nope, it didn't 😛

it said the speed of light was what, 186000 miles per second. it says cyclops' visor is considerably slower. it says northstar "steps in to the gap and exploits it elegantly."

fast, yes, but C? Not so sure.

speed of sound is slower than a standard bullet travels. yes, with his eyes closed. 😛

tell you what. name a villain that could take 1000 superman punches without being turned to mush, and i'll go look for the scan. 😛

there is no "1000 punches a second" scan for superman, because he's never going to fight someone that requires 1000 punches to beat. he has, however, performed feats that show complex hand movement in the space seconds or less. when he rebuilt bizarro metropolis, or when he went to the other side of the world, dealt with a volcano, and came back to lois in the space of a panel or two. or when he builds machines in almost no time at all.

and even then, there are the scans with mongul, dd rex, imperiex probes, etc, where he's shown to blitz them.

I agree with almost everything in this post also but I want to say this, every comic involving bizarro involves some of the high end feats in comics, they make the comic into a comedy show (example of this is when supes punch amazo from one end of the planet to the other end where only his head pop out the dirt. Punch him straight through the planet). I rarely use feats or even look at comics presenting bizarro because half of the time, the writers doesnt take it seriously.

Its plenty of people that could withstand a thousand punches from superman and there was cases where he needed to do almost ANYTHING to drop an opponent. I think that doomsday, darkseid, zod, etc.... all could take those punches and could be contious while this is going on. By the way, superman blitz punches seems much weaker than his none blitz punches (just my opinion though).

I dont think he has the feats because he cant do it. I dont think wonder woman has the feats because she cant do it either but I do agree with one thing though, supes does have some amazing showings using his speed and I give you a thumbs up on that, I'm not saying hes slow at all because he's not.

Yo.

Originally posted by carver9
Dont have much to say AGAINST this post, it was nothing but the truth.

I do have one comment though, in secret wars, it did state that hulk held 150 billions tons by himself. Then reed proceeded at making hulk mad so that he could throw the mountain off of them.

He soloed that feat.

I dont remem offhand if Reed quoted the amount of rock dropped on them, but theres no argument over him soloing that lifting feat.

😉

Tazer

Originally posted by carver9
I agree with almost everything in this post also but I want to say this, every comic involving bizarro involves some of the high end feats in comics, they make the comic into a comedy show (example of this is when supes punch amazo from one end of the planet to the other end where only his head pop out the dirt. Punch him straight through the planet). I rarely use feats or even look at comics presenting bizarro because half of the time, the writers doesnt take it seriously.

Its plenty of people that could withstand a thousand punches from superman and there was cases where he needed to do almost ANYTHING to drop an opponent. I think that doomsday, darkseid, zod, etc.... all could take those punches and could be contious while this is going on. By the way, superman blitz punches seems much weaker than his none blitz punches (just my opinion though).

I dont think he has the feats because he cant do it. I dont think wonder woman has the feats because she cant do it either but I do agree with one thing though, supes does have some amazing showings using his speed and I give you a thumbs up on that, I'm not saying hes slow at all because he's not.

bizarro is a legitimately powerful being, though. having the mental capacity of a child doesn't, or rather shouldn't, diminish that.

you seriously think superman could punch zod a thousand times and the guy would survive?

Originally posted by -Pr-
bizarro is a legitimately powerful being, though. having the mental capacity of a child doesn't, or rather shouldn't, diminish that.

you seriously think superman could punch zod a thousand times and the guy would survive?

I think if zod, black adam (without the use of magic), captain marvel (without the use of magic), wonder woman, etc.... punched superman a thousand time in a second, he would survive.

Blitz punches isnt that powerful to me and even if they were everyone in the list above have high end durability and has withstood thing far greater than just physical punches.

Now them still being awake is the question, but alive, I think it would take much more than that to kill them.

Got a question for ya; why didnt an enrage superman hit wonder woman (thinking she was doomsday) with a thousand punches in a second? He was trying to kill her since he seen vision of doomsday ripping lois stomach out.

Originally posted by carver9
I think if zod, black adam (without the use of magic), captain marvel (without the use of magic), wonder woman, etc.... punched superman a thousand time in a second, he would survive.

then we disagree.

Blitz punches isnt that powerful to me and even if they were everyone in the list above have high end durability and has withstood thing far greater than just physical punches.

what do you mean "just" physical punches?

Got a question for ya; why didnt an enrage superman hit wonder woman (thinking she was doomsday) with a thousand punches in a second? He was trying to kill her since he seen vision of doomsday ripping lois stomach out.

he was being controlled by maxwell lord, and wasn't in his right mind in the slightest. max lord isn't the only villain to make superman think he's watching lois being killed.

then we disagree.

I wish we can see things eye to eye but...... its kind of common for us to disagree. 🙁

what do you mean "just" physical punches?

Look at the doomsday rex vs superman fight. Superman clearly hit doomsday with numerous of blitz punches which doesnt get doomsday attention. Superman then hits him with a solid punch to the stomach and knocks the wind out of him. A lot more example, dont want to type all of them.

he was being controlled by maxwell lord, and wasn't in his right mind in the slightest. max lord isn't the only villain to make superman think he's watching lois being killed.

I think you're kind of overlooking what happened to superman in the max lord saga. He was given VISIONS from max lord and max lord made superman SEE wonder woman as doomsday. Thats why during the battle superman was questioning what doomsday was trying to do to him (example, when wonder woman threw the lasso).

There were also other instances where superman was thinking during his fight against wonder woman.

When I think of mind control I think of it as in a way where someone is basically controlling you, your every action. Max lord wasnt CONTROLLING superman, he put visions in his head that drove him mad. With that said, that was still superman fighting. Hell during the fight, he stood still so that he could HEAR where wonder woman disappeared to, listening for a heart beat. That doesnt sound like someone that is mind controlled or fighting crazy. That was a pissed supes.

Originally posted by carver9
Look at the doomsday rex vs superman fight. Superman clearly hit doomsday with numerous of blitz punches which doesnt get doomsday attention. Superman then hits him with a solid punch to the stomach and knocks the wind out of him. A lot more example, dont want to type all of them.

how do you know those punches weren't wearing him down?

I think you're kind of overlooking what happened to superman in the max lord saga. He was given VISIONS from max lord and max lord made superman SEE wonder woman as doomsday. Thats why during the battle superman was questioning what doomsday was trying to do to him (example, when wonder woman threw the lasso).

it's contradicted by other showings, so it becomes an exception rather than a rule. look at "ending battle" for instance.

seeing lois die simply isn't enough to push superman over the edge. and he was being controlled by max lord to an extent.

There were also other instances where superman was thinking during his fight against wonder woman.

yes, because he was being influenced.

When I think of mind control I think of it as in a way where someone is basically controlling you, your every action. Max lord wasnt CONTROLLING superman, he put visions in his head that drove him mad. With that said, that was still superman fighting. Hell during the fight, he stood still so that he could HEAR where wonder woman disappeared to, listening for a heart beat. That doesnt sound like someone that is mind controlled or fighting crazy. That was a pissed supes.

that's assuming there's only one kind of mind control, when there isn't. he was influencing superman. why did superman have wonder woman in a choke hold when max was talking about her being on her knees, then? superman wouldn't do that too doomsday.

the hearing thing was bullshit, plain and simple. he'd have heard her coming.

a pissed supes is different from an out of control supes.