becuz thats how I answer the fone; true story.
LOL, you dont mind if i use that, do you.
put it to ya this way: in JLA #23 he mimic'd Zatanna's *magic*, and used Reverse-Speech to render the effect. that sounds like proof enuff to me.
good example and i agree with the above.
I didnt forget anything, and Hulk didnt hold up that WHOLE mountain.
Who held it up with him?
the fact is that while it goes up w/his rage, its not like he goes from cl100 to cl150 in a single burst generally. could I give a quantification on how much it DOES increase by?? no, but it certainly wont put him out of reach of others who wanna fight'im..[/
To many examples of hulk strength incresing immediately.
and he's also had his forcefields removed by Mjolnir, which means that since its still ENERGY, it can be messed with. and he's also not had to do so while FIGHTING anybody as powerful as a GL, which is a whole other thing completely.
Mjlonir is one of the most powerful weapon in Marvel u, it got past Cytorrak enchantment on Juggernaut and weakened him. Hell, mjlonir has accomplished so much, I'm surprised that thor himself isnt classified as a sky father.
Now if we use magneto shields at norm, he has taken a blast from galactus, the phoenix, a hammer toss from thor, etc.... so the gl affecting it is kind of debatable.
so while its far from a definite thing, its still a possibility, as we ARE talking about somebody who can mimick a GL-Ring (which has made the possible reality many a time.[/
I agree, amazo is VERY powerful. I'll try to find more things on rogue to help out in this debate but the scans that I presented alone should be more than enough (simply said that she has control over EVERYONE powers that she touched) to prove that this would be a stalemate or a undecided fight in my eyes. Current amazo didnt seem as powerful to me as his classic self.
I would like to post something, to prove that rogue possessing northstar powers will be able to keep up with amazo and also prove to raoul that Northstar combat speed and flight is>>superman.
Start off with something simple, a minor blitz from northstar that show multiple of punches in a second.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/xm-164-14.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/xm-164-15.jpg
Northstar moving at super speed dodging light objects, etc....
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/MM18-08.jpg
Northstar fighting so fast that there isnt even a body visible. No after images, nothing, just people getting hit and dont even know where its coming from.
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/xmen190005qg7.jpg
Northstar hitting sasquash with a hundred punches in less than a second.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/AlphaFlight12-19.jpg
With one fist, northstar punch hulk a hundred times.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF29.jpg
Punches someone a thousand times per second (damn).
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Two-in-One084_22.jpg
Originally posted by carver9
I would like to post something, to prove that rogue possessing northstar powers will be able to keep up with amazo and also prove to raoul that Northstar combat speed and flight is>>superman.Start off with something simple, a minor blitz from northstar that show multiple of punches in a second.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/xm-164-14.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/xm-164-15.jpgNorthstar moving at super speed dodging light objects, etc....
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/MM18-08.jpg
Northstar fighting so fast that there isnt even a body visible. No after images, nothing, just people getting hit and dont even know where its coming from.
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/xmen190005qg7.jpg
Northstar hitting sasquash with a hundred punches in less than a second.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/AlphaFlight12-19.jpg
With one fist, northstar punch hulk a hundred times.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF29.jpgPunches someone a thousand times per second (damn).
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Two-in-One084_22.jpg
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still doesn't do it.
also, she can't keep up with amazo. he had wally's speed. that's miles above anything northstar has ever pulled off.
also, the one where you say there's no blur? there is. you're misrepresenting other scans too. stop it.
still doesn't do it.
Why doesnt it do it? Can you provide me with any kind of evidence that supes can punch even close to what northstar did?
also, she can't keep up with amazo. he had wally's speed. that's miles above anything northstar has ever pulled off.
Amazo while fighting flash only punched at a 1000 times per second which is what I have shown you northstar can do.
also, the one where you say there's no blur?
I'm referring to when he knocked emma out, there was nothing showing who did it. When he attack cyclops, he allowed a after image to be seen.
you're misrepresenting other scans too. stop it.
I'm not trying to misrepresent anything and if I did, my bad. What was it that I misrepresented? Just want to know since I have these scans saved and would possibly use them again.
Originally posted by carver9facepalm
Why doesnt it do it? Can you provide me with any kind of evidence that supes can punch even close to what northstar did?Amazo while fighting flash only punched at a 1000 times per second which is what I have shown you northstar can do.
I'm referring to when he knocked emma out, there was nothing showing who did it. When he attack cyclops, he allowed a after image to be seen.
I'm not trying to misrepresent anything and if I did, my bad. What was it that I misrepresented? Just want to know since I have these scans saved and would possibly use them again.
Originally posted by carver9
Why doesnt it do it? Can you provide me with any kind of evidence that supes can punch even close to what northstar did?
you say you read superman comics. superman has speed feats like this all the time.
Amazo while fighting flash only punched at a 1000 times per second which is what I have shown you northstar can do.
flash was injured, and Amazo performed 1000 MA moves in less than a second. not PER second, less than.
I'm referring to when he knocked emma out, there was nothing showing who did it. When he attack cyclops, he allowed a after image to be seen.
he took down a bunch of people without superhuman reflexes. superman has moved through rooms while invisible without leaving a trace of his presence, which is much harder than the odd punch here and there.
I'm not trying to misrepresent anything and if I did, my bad. What was it that I misrepresented? Just want to know since I have these scans saved and would possibly use them again.
i'll show you.
Originally posted by carver9
I would like to post something, to prove that rogue possessing northstar powers will be able to keep up with amazo and also prove to raoul that Northstar combat speed and flight is>>superman.Start off with something simple, a minor blitz from northstar that show multiple of punches in a second.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/xm-164-14.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/xm-164-15.jpg
that one is fine, except superman has done it tons of times against people with reflexes almost matching his own.
Northstar moving at super speed dodging light objects, etc....http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/MM18-08.jpg
those are sonic blasts, which means they move at the speed of sound. superman can do that with his eyes closed.
Northstar fighting so fast that there isnt even a body visible. No after images, nothing, just people getting hit and dont even know where its coming from.http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/xmen190005qg7.jpg
i already addressed that above.
Northstar hitting sasquash with a hundred punches in less than a second.http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/AlphaFlight12-19.jpg
that one's fine.
With one fist, northstar punch hulk a hundred times.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF29.jpg
nothing wrong with that scan, but no speed is given, so...
Punches someone a thousand times per second (damn).http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Two-in-One084_22.jpg
it isn't a thousand times per second. it's a thousand times before he can react (or process that he's being attacked, which isn't that big a deal). if someone hits an average human hard enough, it can take you three to four seconds to recover and react.
you say you read superman comics. superman has speed feats like this all the time.
Love him just like I love gladiator but I kind of have my opinions on both and I kind of feel like either of them cant fight anywhere CLOSE to what northstar is capable of.
flash was injured, and Amazo performed 1000 MA moves in less than a second. not PER second, less than.
I agree with this, cant argue with it.
he took down a bunch of people without superhuman reflexes. superman has moved through rooms while invisible without leaving a trace of his presence, which is much harder than the odd punch here and there.
He not only took them down but it was stated that he was combating at the speed of light with the phrase "northstar goes 186000 mps which is much faster than cykes blast" (I think thats how the phrase went.)
that one is fine, except superman has done it tons of times against people with reflexes almost matching his own.
I agree with this, superman does have some similar feats, thats why I used that one first.
those are sonic blasts, which means they move at the speed of sound. superman can do that with his eyes closed.
HHHMMMM, not with his eyes close but I do think that he can do it. Not arguing there.
it isn't a thousand times per second. it's a thousand times before he can react (or process that he's being attacked, which isn't that big a deal). if someone hits an average human hard enough, it can take you three to four seconds to recover and react.
I agree with this also, cant argue with it.
Now can you show me SOMETHING proving that supes max punches within a second. Supes has been out longer than northstar, I know you can provide me with something that give a description on the amount of punches he can make within a second.
He not only took them down but it was stated that he was combating at the speed of light with the phrase "northstar goes 186000 mps which is much faster than cykes blast" (I think thats how the phrase went.)
nope, it didn't 😛
it said the speed of light was what, 186000 miles per second. it says cyclops' visor is considerably slower. it says northstar "steps in to the gap and exploits it elegantly."
fast, yes, but C? Not so sure.
HHHMMMM, not with his eyes close but I do think that he can do it. Not arguing there.
speed of sound is slower than a standard bullet travels. yes, with his eyes closed. 😛
Now can you show me SOMETHING proving that supes max punches within a second. Supes has been out longer than northstar, I know you can provide me with something that give a description on the amount of punches he can make within a second.
tell you what. name a villain that could take 1000 superman punches without being turned to mush, and i'll go look for the scan. 😛
there is no "1000 punches a second" scan for superman, because he's never going to fight someone that requires 1000 punches to beat. he has, however, performed feats that show complex hand movement in the space seconds or less. when he rebuilt bizarro metropolis, or when he went to the other side of the world, dealt with a volcano, and came back to lois in the space of a panel or two. or when he builds machines in almost no time at all.
and even then, there are the scans with mongul, dd rex, imperiex probes, etc, where he's shown to blitz them.
Originally posted by carver9
Rogue possess:Hulks: Strength, high end durability, healing factor and the ability to adapt all of these to unknown levels due to emotions.
Magneto: control the light spectrum along with ALL forms of metal. Impenetrable force field and the list goes on with him.
Bishop: absorb kinetic energy and release it through the hands or eyes (<-- done once).
Nightcrawler: high end agility along with the ability to teleport anywhere within a mile radius at a thought.
Thor: high end damage soak ability along with incaculable strength.
Northstar: reflexes and flight is at the speed of light.
Storm: Controls the weather from tornado's, hurricanes, ice, lightning, etc....
Scarlet witch: basically anything she think of happens.
Iceman: deep freeze ability along with the ability to rearange from nothing due to the moisture in the air.
Jean grey: high end telekinesis and telepath
Kitty pride: becomes intagible. Cant be touched by anything short of adamantium.
Cyclops: Shoot powerful blast from his eyes.I'll let you decide on who's more powerful.
As it seems Rogue could be one of the most powerful beings in MU. And she became even more powerful. Good they didn't use HOM Wanda. Anyway, she (I am certain) wouldn't be able to absorb her powers, not even close. She is extremely powerful. Since Wanda there wasn't such powerful being from Earth. Although she doesn't come close to Wanda. And as it seems Rogue was the most powerful on Earth in the time.
Originally posted by carver9
Cyclops powers is debatable, I cant see a lot of people standing up to a full optic blast from cyke; you know, the same blast that was stated on panel as being able to rip a small planet in half.
Wouldn't matter to Amazo at all. Anyway, Amazo advantage over her is speed, which not even Northstar could help.
Over that Rogue with such powers, Amazo wins.
Although I would like to read more about it. Could someone provide me all issues when she was at her best, please!? Which issue started it and when it ended?
