Gamora w/Godslayer vs Karate Kid

Originally posted by Endless Mike
You know what I meant, I mean his actual feats make him way more than peak human. He's top-tier, Herald level

What?!? You didn't quote me this time!?! >_< But that was such a good burn!

Anyway, he's top tier meta on the power levels thread. Gamora with Godslayer is low herald.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Again, my MAIN point is that the EE smashing feat has nothing to do with this debate. My OTHER point was that the emerald eye probably actively repulsed stargrave (tho I'm not sure til I see the scan), it didn't get ambushed from behind.

Then it's a good thing she has it in this fight, eh?

Knowing where something will hit and being able to do something about it are two different things.

So, nothing. truth is, gamora isn't anything new. try reading the stories, emerald is very much so in gamora's league, if not better. yet val manhandeled the *****.

and val will definiitely stop gamora once he he has calculated where she will strike. if he can do it to other top tiers, she can do it to gamora. unless you can prove otherwise.

Do you think Gamora would fare well against Pre-Crisis Kryptonians, or Daxamites, or Flashes?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Do you think Gamora would fare well against Pre-Crisis Kryptonians, or Daxamites, or Flashes?

Where has he ever beaten a PC Kryptonian/Daxamite/Flash before? Tagging them, yes. Maybe dodging around while they fought like morons and with the help of a TON of PIS, yes.

But really, decisively taken them on in a non-PIS fight? I'd like to see the scan (saw the KK respect thread already, tho).

a pacifist val took it to a daxamite level being. even making him cough up blood. he eventually lost, but he was weakened. val also took out the Persuader, who's super strength and speed rivals supergirls.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
So, nothing. truth is, gamora isn't anything new. try reading the stories, emerald is very much so in gamora's league, if not better. yet val manhandeled the *****.

Emerald was perhaps in Gamora's level skillwise w/o her eye. But stat-wise? I'd like to see the scan to see the context of this fight, too. Sadly, I don't have comics from 50 years ago.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
and val will definiitely stop gamora once he he has calculated where she will strike. if he can do it to other top tiers, she can do it to gamora. unless you can prove otherwise.

One can't prove a negative, my friend. Why do you keep thinking he can one-shot her? Her durability is off the charts, she has a healing factor and all she really needs is to slightly nick him with the Godslayer or blast him with ONE energy blast from it to take him down. He'll need to hit her over and over to take her down.

I didn't say beat, I asked if she could do well. Specifically, do better than Val has done. Consistently.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Emerald was perhaps in Gamora's level skillwise w/o her eye. But stat-wise? I'd like to see the scan to see the context of this fight, too. Sadly, I don't have comics from 50 years ago.

One can't prove a negative, my friend. Why do you keep thinking he can one-shot her? Her durability is off the charts, she has a healing factor and all she really needs is to slightly nick him with the Godslayer or blast him with ONE energy blast from it to take him down. He'll need to hit her over and over to take her down.

Skill wise, it's been said that she can KILL any species in the universe with her bare hands. Like I said, she took down Superboy wuith a nerve strike. If I can get to my comics, i'll post, but it's late now.

Last, i didn't say val can take her down with one blow, BUT as he has proven time and time again, durability means nothing to super karate.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
a pacifist val took it to a daxamite level being. even making him cough up blood. he eventually lost, but he was weakened. val also took out the Persuader, who's super strength and speed rivals supergirls.

Still need to find the Daxamite scan, but the Persuader battle had him hitting KOing him with a piece of steel column. If this is supergirl "strength and speed" for you, then that's all good then. 😛

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Skill wise, it's been said that she can KILL any species in the universe with her bare hands. Like I said, she took down Superboy wuith a nerve strike. If I can get to my comics, i'll post, but it's late now.

Gamora can nerve strike, too. Superboy is an MA noob and with DC storytelling has anything to say, MA noobs can get taken down by skilled MA regardless of stat differences (such as when Batman can keep up with Superman's enemies). Gamora can kill any species with her bare hands PRE-UPGRADE, too. Also, i saw the scan of him taking out the EE, she looked like an utter noob in that scan, not even able to control her own heartbeat, if you think this is how he's taking out Gamor in a non-PIS fight, you're dreaming.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Last, i didn't say val can take her down with one blow, BUT as he has proven time and time again, durability means nothing to super karate.

Doesn't remove the fact that Gamora just needs one hit, he'll need several. And with her healing factor, he'll need several hits within a short period of time.

If you're talking about Grundy, you should be aware that his power varies a lot. Sometimes he's a threat to Superman but sometimes he's much weaker

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Gamora can nerve strike, too. Superboy is an MA noob and with DC storytelling has anything to say, MA noobs can get taken down by skilled MA regardless of stat differences (such as when Batman can keep up with Superman's enemies). Gamora can kill any species with her bare hands PRE-UPGRADE, too. Also, i saw the scan of him taking out the EE, she looked like an utter noob in that scan, not even able to control her own heartbeat, if you think this is how he's taking out Gamor in a non-PIS fight, you're dreaming.

Doesn't remove the fact that Gamora just needs one hit, he'll need several. And with her healing factor, he'll need several hits within a short period of time.

you don't know what you're talking about. Val has taken on Daxamaite blows and an entire building crumbled on his, yet, he continues to fight. Gamora will need more than one blow.

and when has gamora taken someone in val's league? probably never.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
you don't know what you're talking about. Val has taken on Daxamaite blows and an entire building crumbled on his, yet, he continues to fight. Gamora will need more than one blow.

and when has gamora taken someone in val's league? probably never.

The Godslayer's unique properties make it a one-shot weapon.

Batman has taken hits from Mongul and DS before, doesn't make him have super durability. This is a no-PIS forum, w/c means if something that would normally rip thru human flesh and bone hits a human (like a kick from Gamora) it would rip thru human flesh and bone.

Val's league is way to low if you look at power levels.

And please let's keep the "you don't know what you're talking about" name calling to a minimum, you have yet to prove me wrong.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
The Godslayer's unique properties make it a one-shot weapon.

Batman has taken hits from Mongul and DS before, doesn't make him have super durability. This is a no-PIS forum, w/c means if something that would normally rip thru human flesh and bone hits a human (like a kick from Gamora) it would rip thru human flesh and bone.

Val's league is way to low if you look at power levels.

It's not PIS, it happens consistently. Just accept it already. If it's PIS then 99% of his showings are PIS

Originally posted by Endless Mike
It's not PIS, it happens consistently. Just accept it already. If it's PIS then 99% of his showings are PIS

Actually, in the DC-verse, street levelers CONSISTENTLY take hits from people that would normally (within any reasonable realism) rip them apart with one flick of a finger. Is it stupid that Batman can actually take hits from Mongul? To me, Yes. Is this PIS? I believe it is.

What ppl must accept is how KK is written. He is always shown as the underdog that circumvents impossible odds thru hard work and discipline. OF COURSE ppl want to see him win or at hold his own for a bit. Almost every single freakin high feat (usually a "he beat X" feat) that ppl LOVE pointing out in this debate had his opponents getting ambushed or underestimating him and fighting utterly moronic.

Except many of them have him fighting for many pages and holding his own where mere street levelers would have been annihilated

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Actually, in the DC-verse, street levelers CONSISTENTLY take hits from people that would normally (within any reasonable realism) rip them apart with one flick of a finger. Is it stupid that Batman can actually take hits from Mongul? To me, Yes. Is this PIS? I believe it is.

And Marvel street level characters aren't written this way?
Of course they are.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Except many of them have him fighting for many pages and holding his own where mere street levelers would have been annihilated

The number of pages have little relevance on whether a fight is PIS BS or not. Street levelers like Batman have managed to hold their own, too. Heck Panther's been able to armbar the Surfer, do you consider that a viable feat, too?

I consider KK very much like batman in the PIS department. Only much much worse.

Non-PIS, Gamora w/ Godslayer destroys KK. 10/10.