Originally posted by D_Dude1210
The number of pages have little relevance on whether a fight is PIS BS or not. Street levelers like Batman have managed to hold their own, too. Heck Panther's been able to armbar the Surfer, do you consider that a viable feat, too?I consider KK very much like batman in the PIS department. Only much much worse.
Non-PIS, Gamora w/ Godslayer destroys KK. 10/10.
Your problem is, Panther armbarred surfer one time, while KK was written constantly at that level of power. It's not PIS if it happens every appearance, that's just the character's powerset.
What's up with everyone reverting to KK's PC showings? Thread starter indicated current version (which we haven't actually seen in action yet, but whatever), quite clearly.
Also, no, KK isn't more skilled than Gamora. He knows every martial art in the galaxy. Gamora knows 83% of combat, period, in the universe. It's not a contest.
Gamora takes it. Quickly.
Originally posted by Enyalus
What's up with everyone reverting to KK's PC showings? Thread starter indicated current version (which we haven't actually seen in action yet, but whatever), quite clearly.Also, no, KK isn't more skilled than Gamora. He knows every martial art in the galaxy. Gamora knows 83% of combat, period, in the universe. It's not a contest.
Gamora takes it. Quickly.
good post but I'm referring to the year 2000's version of kk so you could use those feats instead of using pc feat (which is stupid anyway since pc characters was doing crazy sh**)
Originally posted by grimify
Your problem is, Panther armbarred surfer one time, while KK was written constantly at that level of power. It's not PIS if it happens every appearance, that's just the character's powerset.
Except that he doesn't have any powers. Unless you consider "super karate" a power. /shrug
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
The Godslayer's unique properties make it a one-shot weapon.Batman has taken hits from Mongul and DS before, doesn't make him have super durability. This is a no-PIS forum, w/c means if something that would normally rip thru human flesh and bone hits a human (like a kick from Gamora) it would rip thru human flesh and bone.
Val's league is way to low if you look at power levels.
And please let's keep the "you don't know what you're talking about" name calling to a minimum, you have yet to prove me wrong.
that's if she can tag him, but she won't. he's dodged lightning, speedsters, and heat vision Point blank. Gamora will fare just as well. Not good at all.
Originally posted by Enyalus
What's up with everyone reverting to KK's PC showings? Thread starter indicated current version (which we haven't actually seen in action yet, but whatever), quite clearly.Also, no, KK isn't more skilled than Gamora. He knows every martial art in the galaxy. Gamora knows 83% of combat, period, in the universe. It's not a contest.
Gamora takes it. Quickly.
val knows every martial arts in the known universe. i have told you this before. and the current thread starter was referring to silver age val, or the one that was infected with the virus. they are the SAME BEING!
Originally posted by Prep-Man
val knows every martial arts in the known universe. i have told you this before. and the current thread starter was referring to silver age val, or the one that was infected with the virus. they are the SAME BEING!
Superman's also the same being, of course. But we don't use his PC feats to debate Current Superman with. Likewise with Val.
Originally posted by carver9
good post but I'm referring to the year 2000's version of kk so you could use those feats instead of using pc feat (which is stupid anyway since pc characters was doing crazy sh**)
Originally posted by Enyalus
Superman's also the same being, of course. But we don't use his PC feats to debate Current Superman with. Likewise with Val.
yeah, but we don't know the extent of how much his powers or formability changed. if at all. he's only had a few appearances and on top of that was able to make bruce look like a fool. one of dc's top MA's.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
yeah, but we don't know the extent of how much his powers or formability changed. if at all. he's only had a few appearances and on top of that was able to make bruce look like a fool. one of dc's top MA's.
Just admit that you've been trying to pass off feats that shouldn't qualify here and lets move on to the actual viable feats shall we?
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
You DO know Gamora has the same feats as well? PRE-upgrade?? >_<
i'm sure she does. hell, spider-man has some of those very same feats as well. i just don't see what gamora can do that val can't duplicate or beat. unless you have some examples.
on another note, val's trainer, black dragon was one of the first MA's to specificaly train for metas that move at super speeds. obviously val has picked up on that and spars on a regulary bases with Mon-El who is a great fighter in his own right.
note that val WANTS to spar with mon-el at super-speeds.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
i'm sure she does. hell, spider-man has some of those very same feats as well. i just don't see what gamora can do that val can't duplicate or beat. unless you have some examples.
Super Speed (as when she used her running speed to knock Ronan off his feet with a simple pass-by), energy blast generation (from the sword), healing factor, immense durability (even soaking the heat from magma as well as surviving the heat of the sun and surviving a massive explosion that KOd Ronan as well) as well as an energy dagger that can kill anything it strikes. None of these feats Val can duplicate.
Now as for feats Val has done that Gamora CAN'T duplicate, bring it on.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
on another note, val's trainer, black dragon was one of the first MA's to specificaly train for metas that move at super speeds. obviously val has picked up on that and spars on a regulary bases with Mon-El who is a great fighter in his own right.note that val WANTS to spar with mon-el at super-speeds.
If you'll keep going back to the Mon-El feat, I'll keep going back to the Thanos feat. Thanos STOPS speedblitzes from herald-level people all the time, shows how fast his reaction speed is and Gamora made him look like a chump in those scans. Thanos ALSO made Gamora what she is. His success against herald-level speedblitzes can categorize her as a very effective anti-blitzer herself.
PS. OP stated CURRENT Val not PC Val, so nice try bringing in invalid feats.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Super Speed (as when she used her running speed to knock Ronan off his feet with a simple pass-by), energy blast generation (from the sword), healing factor, immense durability (even soaking the heat from magma as well as surviving the heat of the sun and surviving a massive explosion that KOd Ronan as well) as well as an energy dagger that can kill anything it strikes. None of these feats Val can duplicate.Now as for feats Val has done that Gamora CAN'T duplicate, bring it on.
If you'll keep going back to the Mon-El feat, I'll keep going back to the Thanos feat. Thanos STOPS speedblitzes from herald-level people all the time, shows how fast his reaction speed is and Gamora made him look like a chump in those scans. Thanos ALSO made Gamora what she is. His success against herald-level speedblitzes can categorize her as a very effective anti-blitzer herself.
PS. OP stated CURRENT Val not PC Val, so nice try bringing in invalid feats.
I was talking in terms of martial arts skill. Healing factor won't stop her from getting knocked out. Energy blasts won't tag val, and like I said many times, Gamora's weapons can be shattered by Val, since he can find weak points in ANYTHING. even energy weapons and humans.
As for CURRENT val, the feat with Mon-el is POST crisis. so it counts. I've been going back and forth using all 3 Vals, so I'm just not drawing up on Pre-Crisis feats.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
I was talking in terms of martial arts skill.
This debate isn't about who is the better martial artist is it? It's about who wins in a fight. I will say KK is better, slightly, than Gamora. But the fact that she has been upgraded with superspeed, superstrength, super durability and a cosmic sword, puts this fight to her favor easily. I can't believe you still can't see that.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Healing factor won't stop her from getting knocked out. Energy blasts won't tag val, and like I said many times, Gamora's weapons can be shattered by Val, since he can find weak points in ANYTHING. even energy weapons and humans.
Lemme see. Super speed + durability + healing factor = hard to hit, hard to hurt and hard to put down. Add this to high level MA skill + super strength + a cosmic blade = dead KK
And btw, NO, Val isn't gonna be knocking out Gamora with one punch. He'll need many, and she'll be healing throughout that time and NO, he's NOT going to shatter Gamora's weapon as she won't likely allow him to sneak up on it to karate chop it from behind. And even IF thru some insane Loeb-level writing he manages to do so, the thing has been shown to blow up hardcore w/c would easily one-shot him to death.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
As for CURRENT val, the feat with Mon-el is POST crisis. so it counts. I've been going back and forth using all 3 Vals, so I'm just not drawing up on Pre-Crisis feats.
Nice try with the "find weaknesses on anything" comment up there, gonna post the PC Eye-shattering feat again?
BTW, Thanos feat >>>> Mon-El feat.