Logic and understanding vs Stupidity
Which one is logic and understanding and which is stupidity?
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
It's not though. His knowledge is definitely top tier and few rival it. We don't have to know WHAT he knows specifically, just that he had access to the underground cities of Malachor V and the tombs of Korriban.
Originally posted by truejedi
we don't know what he learned there, so we are hard-pressed to say he learned anything of use.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Bullshit. Malachor V was described as being "underground cities with sith scrolls and holocrons", or something to that nature. We all know the value of the Korriban treasures and tombs, and Revan was the first to plunder them. Don't argue out of ignorance.
Originally posted by truejedi
DS, you are full of BS. What was on those scrolls and holocrons? You are the one abandoning known fact for pointless speculation.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
It doesn't matter. Both were sith worlds. Revan put some of his findings into his holocron and Bane could hardly "wrap his mind around the techniques." It doesn't matter what specific powers he found. And you're going to REALLY debate the value of the tombs and relics of an unplundered Korriban? Please.
Originally posted by truejedi
i'm not going to waste my time debating your imagination with you period DS. You don't have one fact to substantiate your supposition, and all of the attitude you choose to throw in your posts isn't going to change that.We all agree that Revan probably was powerful. I have him in the 3rd or 4th range of Sith all time myself, but you certainly can't prove it.
lol. Revan's schorlarly persuits were admirable but they're just that, schorlarly persuits (that's even if we assume he learned anything of note from whatever he took). Jedi librarians throughout history pwn him in terms of knowledge, but no one will assume they're more powerful based on such a premise.
I'm sure Jocasta Nu's (sp?) force knowledge outstripped many of her peers in the prequel era Jedi council, but it doesn't mean too much, does it?
Originally posted by Allankles
lol. Revan's schorlarly persuits were admirable but they're just that, schorlarly persuits (that's even if we assume he learned anything of note from whatever he took). Jedi librarians throughout history pwn him in terms of knowledge, but no one will assume they're more powerful based on such a premise.I'm sure Jocasta Nu's (sp?) force knowledge outstripped many of her peers in the prequel era Jedi council, but it doesn't mean too much, does it?
Prove these jedi librarians study the force on the level of actual force users, and not just know how to catalog things. This is as retarded as saying as every librarian has read every book in his/her library.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Prove these jedi librarians study the force on the level of actual force users, and not just know how to catalog things. This is as retarded as saying as every librarian has read every book in his/her library.
Librararians are also Jedi Masters. Jocasta Nu in particular was a council member before she became a librarian full time.
And who was making any assumptions that they studied everything in their archives? There's a reason why many librarians are present (many with specific respnsibilities on certain subjects). It is a resonable conclusion to draw once you realize that they spend all their waking lives with the archives.
The point is, Jedi librarians are scholars, archeologists and historians, it is their job to study the jedi arts (the Sith being inclusive), galactic history (as it relates to the Jedi and otherwise) and the facts of the wider galaxy.
This is their job, and the responsibility for the organization and legitimacy of whatever knowledge exists in the Jedi archive, rests primarily with them.
Originally posted by Allankles
The point is, Jedi librarians are scholars, archeologists and historians, it is their job to study the jedi arts (the Sith being inclusive), galactic history (as it relates to the Jedi and otherwise) and the facts of the wider galaxy.
Where is it specifically stated that the sole purpose of their existence, is to study?
Originally posted by Allankles
Librararians are also Jedi Masters. Jocasta Nu in particular was a council member before she became a librarian full time.
And who was making any assumptions that they studied everything in their archives? There's a reason why many librarians are present (many with specific respnsibilities on certain subjects). It is a resonable conclusion to draw once you realize that they spend all their waking lives with the archives.
Originally posted by Allankles
lol. Revan's schorlarly persuits were admirable but they're just that, schorlarly persuits (that's even if we assume he learned anything of note from whatever he took). Jedi librarians throughout history pwn him in terms of knowledge, but no one will assume they're more powerful based on such a premise.
The point is, Jedi librarians are scholars, archeologists and historians, it is their job to study the jedi arts (the Sith being inclusive), galactic history (as it relates to the Jedi and otherwise) and the facts of the wider galaxy.
This is their job, and the responsibility for the organization and legitimacy of whatever knowledge exists in the Jedi archive, rests primarily with them. [/B]
DS, this is a very interesting request coming from you. You haven't proved that Revan had ANY knowledge that wasn't common to PT Jedi yet, and you STILL compare Revan to the PT.
Asking for proof of Jedi Librarian's knowledge from Allankles while going on and on about how much Revan knew about the force is laughable.
Since you made this statement:
Prove these jedi librarians study the force on the level of actual force users, and not just know how to catalog things. This is as retarded as saying as every librarian has read every book in his/her library.
I will say this:
Prove that Revan studied the force on levels of the PT Jedi, and didn't just know that he had knowledge on his(alledged) holocrons. This is as silly (changes your word so Red will give me 2 thumbs up!)as saying Revan had learned everything in his (alledged) holocrons.
In fact, i'll make an original statement too:
Prove that Revan had ONE, or heck TWO holocrons from ancient Sith. Then prove that the knowledge on said holocrons was anything that was not common knowledge to jedi knights in PT order.
This is all in retribution to YOU of all people, asking for any sort of proof. You keep trying to substitute common sense for proof, and it just doesn't work.
This is as silly (changes your word so Red will give me 2 thumbs up!)as saying Revan had learned everything in his (alledged) holocrons.
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I'm not sure I'm willing to endorse the PROVE ONE OR TWO HOLOCRONS thing- didn't he have Malachor? A better question might be: PROVE ANYTHING IN MALACHOR IS HELPFUL IN COMBAT OR USEFUL TO REVAN AT ALL!