What the hell? Honestly DS, i expect better than you. I'm done answering your posts until you make some SENSE. You usually provide good arguments, but today, you aren't even making arguments. You are typing nonsense.
I claim the victory in what was a ridiculously easy fight, finished by that last sentence of yours that was probably the biggest non-sequitar to sum up an argument that i have ever seen.
You lose. Deal with it.
in fact, i'll answer your post anyway, it goes in order
No.
NO.
No.
No.
No.
No.
No.
No.
NO.
Bullshit.
You are seriously making the claim that Bane shit his pants? I want a page number. I meant it as a humorous aside, you bothered to post it three more times, and then claim that Bane shitting his pants is part of the canon.
Then you starting talking about sidious for some reason.
DS, your fanboyism is showing worse than usual tonight.
Originally posted by truejedi
What the hell? Honestly DS, i expect better than you. I'm done answering your posts until you make some SENSE. You usually provide good arguments, but today, you aren't even making arguments. You are typing nonsense.I claim the victory in what was a ridiculously easy fight, finished by that last sentence of yours that was probably the biggest non-sequitar to sum up an argument that i have ever seen.
You lose. Deal with it.
I've already told you you've lost. Your only response is to tell me the exact same thing? Move along, you're done.
Edit: Gotta love the last hurrah of "there was no knowledge on korriban lolz". Rofl
Originally posted by truejedi
You have lost Beefington. Blustering over it changes nothing. To be honest, the arguments you have put up tonight have been the worst i've ever seen you present in any thread.There is no need to argue the point, anyone reading the thread can see your level of desperation.
Right. The only other person was Autokrat telling what I've already told you. Now you can stop repeating the "you lost" nonsense since i've already stated it. Once again, I accept your concession, move along.
Originally posted by truejedi
You are now officially a waste of time, as well as a poor debator. live and learn i guess.Zero facts you came up with Beefy. Zero evidence. Makes you look the fool.
u r doing the same. I'm giving you a taste of what you do to everyone actually. I keep repeating what i have to say, thinking that if i get the last word, i win. Really annoying, and doesn't seem very intelligent, does it?
Its a teaching tool, its been going on for 4 posts now, and i think you are just now starting to catch on.
Originally posted by truejedi
u r doing the same. I'm giving you a taste of what you do to everyone actually. I keep repeating what i have to say, thinking that if i get the last word, i win. Really annoying, and doesn't seem very intelligent, does it?Its a teaching tool, its been going on for 4 posts now, and i think you are just now starting to catch on.
I actually counted less than 30 seconds for you, and more than 3 minutes for me, but ok. And you would be giving me a "taste" if you had a valid argument, which you don't. I'll time you again, I expect a more prompt response.
Notice the times posted on each post Beefy. You must not be very good at counting either, if you see any difference.
And as to not having an argument over the last 5 posts? You are absolutely right. Its not very much fun to argue with someone who doesn't have a valid argument is it?
Ah!!! now you see!!!
Take it, learn it, its free. Use it in your everyday life. Better yourself.
...revan actually studied every single piece...
Nice little rhetorical trick you pulled here, trying to draw DS into claiming an absolute... anyways.
"It has been here for thousands of years. It is a place where Sith teachings run strong… It is the threshold of the borders of an ancient empire. Kreia says that it was a place of reflection for the ancient Sith… a gateway to their lands. It drew Lord Revan… and it calls to her as well. She said that the teachings here will lead one to the Sith… the true Sith… and all their shadowed worlds. This place led Revan to the graveyards of Korriban… and beyond."
That's Sion's little blurb on it, the Chronicles of the Old Republic mention it, one of the loading screen blurbs mention it. Seeing as how clearly Revan had learned a lot of Sith Knowledge, which certainly at the very least impressed Bane, I don't see why this is even being argued.
No one is claiming Revan has no knowledge. We are saying this isn't true, or at least cannot be proven:
Revan's knowledge exceeds the majority of the characters in the mythos with the exception of Sidious. To claim that he isn't top tier is ridiculous.
There is no way to prove Revan knew more than say... Yoda, and to try to add the word ridiculous to the end of claim to anyone who doesn't believe it, is just... intolerable.
Originally posted by Autokrat
Nice little rhetorical trick you pulled here, trying to draw DS into claiming an absolute... anyways.
Thats the claim he made hence why i asked him to give the exact quote.
It has been here for thousands of years. It is a place where Sith teachings run strong… It is the threshold of the borders of an ancient empire. Kreia says that it was a place of reflection for the ancient Sith… a gateway to their lands. It drew Lord Revan… and it calls to her as well. She said that the teachings here will lead one to the Sith… the true Sith… and all their shadowed worlds. This place led Revan to the graveyards of Korriban… and beyond."
^ The part that i highlighted interests me.
How do we know that revan didn't simply plunder the academy just to look for the true sith rather than plundering it for every single force knowledge?
Originally posted by AutokratImpressed a bane that was studying under a bunch of weaklings. Something like that is going to obviously impress you espcially when you have been studying under ignorant jokes that called themselves "dark lords of the sith".
That's Sion's little blurb on it, the Chronicles of the Old Republic mention it, one of the loading screen blurbs mention it. Seeing as how clearly Revan had learned a lot of Sith Knowledge, which certainly at the very [b]least impressed Bane, I don't see why this is even being argued. [/B]
DS is making an almost unsubstatiated claim, first off he's claiming that revan mastered everything he learned from korriban and malachor which is ridiculous(funny that if thats the case, he still had time to run his campaign against the republic) and he has nothing to back his claims up.
Now hes saying that everything revan learned was ub3r but he failed to even name one technique(other than the thought bomb which is more of a ritual than personal power).
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Prove this is usually the case, rather than the exception to the rule.I guess that...Would be you. You've yet to prove anything.
No, it's their job to catalog. Once again, prove ANY librarians had Revan's knowledge.
This is pathetically weak.
I made my point. I didn't say every jedi librarian was as accomplished as Jocasta Nu or Kreia or even Atris but that they spent every waking hour of their lives working on the jedi archives.
20,000+ years worth of knowledge is at their desposal. It is far more likely that they would gather knowledge on the Jedi arts as well as the Sith (if they are masters) living within touching distance of all the holocrons, including the great jedi holcoron itself.
Far more likely that they learnt more of the force on average (useful or otherwise) than the active field agents.
No reason why they wouldn't study the holcrons and in peace, as they were Jedi too.
In fact, given the two premise it is more likely that the Jedi librarians picked up a lot of knowledge, given the relative peace they enjoyed in the temples.
Revan was at once a renegade Jedi general, and fledgling Sith trying to organize a military machine, whose condition is more conducive for learning? Yet you would assume that Revan had vast (and useful) knowledge given the tidbits from the chronicles, and a neophyte Bane's perceptions, huh Beffy?
The problem is, DS thinks every time he inteprets something one way, everyone else is an idiot for not agreeing with him, heck they not only have to agree with him, they have to treat it like indisputable fact.
When you, allankles, used logic to suppose that someone working in a library of knowledge their entire careers might pick up a thing or two, he calls you out for making claims that can't be proved.
DS is really trying to have it both ways.
That's the thing TJ. How much time did Revan have to gather vast knowledge in the time periods he has appeared in canon? I'm not saying he didn't have some "considerable" knowledge, but how is it irrational to conclude that a Jedi book worm would have the access and the time to gather more knowledge than a Revan (or any other relatively young jedi hero)?