A Revan-relevant facts from the Essential Atlas:
"Revan and Malak declare themselves the new Dark Lords of the Sith and return from the Unknown Regions to begin their conquest of the Republic. They seize a third of the settled galaxy through conquests and defections, using a gargantuan fleet made up of former Republic vessels and starships manufactured by the Star Forge." (pg. 130)
The territory controlled Korriban and "most of the northern quadrant Rim territories" and was pressed against the borders of Hutt Space. Pretty impressive, but a far cry from the Empire's unprecedented and unrivaled expansion of 1.75 million inhabited worlds and 69 million systems pledging allegiance to Palpatine.
Originally posted by Gideon
A Revan-relevant facts from the Essential Atlas:"Revan and Malak declare themselves the new Dark Lords of the Sith and return from the Unknown Regions to begin their conquest of the Republic. [b]They seize a third of the settled galaxy
through conquests and defections, using a gargantuan fleet made up of former Republic vessels and starships manufactured by the Star Forge." (pg. 130)The territory controlled Korriban and "most of the northern quadrant Rim territories" and was pressed against the borders of Hutt Space. Pretty impressive, but a far cry from the Empire's unprecedented and unrivaled expansion of 1.75 million inhabited worlds and 69 million systems pledging allegiance to Palpatine. [/B]
Do they have a map you could scan in?
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Show me one instance where a librarian or historian is familiar with EVERY or even MOST of the works in their collection. While you're at it, show me a known jedi historian with a great deal of knowledge. Jedi will always lack knowledge of the sith.
"Every" or "Most"? What does this matter? Even if we were to assume Revan plundered every or most of the holocrons from Malachor, how would you begin even making a rational conclusion about how much he studied from what he plundered?
Meantime, the jedi librarians' have a job description that involves, editing, revising the jedi knowledge in their archives. It's their life. What is the more reasonable conclusion?
that a Jedi who spends his life time studying information for the purpose of accuracy is likely more knowledgable than a full time warlord on campaign.
Or that a warlord with an unquintifiable and (most likely inferior) knowledge base (Malachor vs the older Jedi libraries) is going to gather tons of knowledge while marshalling a full scale campaing against the biggest military in the galaxy?
I'm being rational, you're just displaying your fanboyism.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Dear lord, you're easier than TJ. You just start making random shit up when you don't have a leg to stand on.
I wasn't even arguing the point. The Jedi were an establishment. A legitimate power in the universe. What this means is that the Jedi were more public (people were known to even hack the archives).
the Sith had the benefit of being in the shadows even in the days of Jedi vs Sith battles. This should be obvious, your statement seemed to ignore the reasons for the Jedi's difficulties in gathering info on the Sith.
Nevertheless Jedi had confiscated Sith holocrons, likely the spoils of past wars won.
Originally posted by Allankles
"Every" or "Most"? What does this matter? Even if we were to assume Revan plundered every or most of the holocrons from Malachor, how would you begin even making a rational conclusion about how much he studied from what he plundered?
Meantime, the jedi librarians' have a job description that involves, editing, revising the jedi knowledge in their archives. It's their life. What is the more reasonable conclusion?
that a Jedi who spends his life time studying information for the purpose of accuracy is likely more knowledgable than a full time warlord on campaign.
I'm being rational, you're just displaying your fanboyism.
Nevertheless Jedi had confiscated Sith holocrons, likely the spoils of past wars won. [/B]
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallAnd instead of admitting that you made a spite thread, you harped on about our cruelty. Pot to the kettle?
That's something (not saying that I agree that DS does it, I need to look into his posts more) that I've heard alot of people do here. Not to bring up bad memories, but when I was debating the Empire vs Earth thread w/Lucien, Nai and a few others, we debated and debated until they eventually realized that Earth would win...easily. But instead of admitting defeat, they were like "oh you are bad you made a spite thread!"
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
It matters because you asserted that Librarians would have more knowledge than Revan because they were librarians. I called you out on your bullshit and you continue to dodge the point TJ style.
"Most" and "Every" are besides the point. The Jedi archives have 20000+ years worth of knowledge on both the Jedi arts and the more mundane facts. "Most" and "Every" were entirely irrelevant to my point, I never brought them up - there's entirely too much knowledge in the archives for that.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
That they edit and revise the archives? Rofl.. Also, go ahead and show me the monster.com application the Jedi Library posted for Librarians, since you seem to know what's going on.
Yes, they revise whatever data they put into the archives. They study already created holos to make ammends if necessary to any data in the holos. Most of the info in the archives is compiled by the librarians, generations of librarians. No one is suggesting the amount of info they gained, as I said earlier, the archives are too massive (you'd need millenia to study a significant fraction of the compiled info).
The amount of information the librarians would go through in their lifetimes would rationally be more than what Revan went through on Malachor in 1 or 2 years (canonically). Keep in mind he didn't have the benefit of the peace and quiet librarians have.
You're examples were piss poor as well - no rational correlation (mentioning villains like Sadow, Jacen et al). You also assume that force knowledge translates to destructive power.
Again force knowledge does not have to have a direct relation to martial prowess, especially if its jedi knowledge. Jocasta Nu was a seeker of knowledge and Jedi Master of some repute, but she was killed easily by Anakin.
A full time scholar and historian is going to have more knowledge than a war lord, given the two premise here.
Originally posted by Allankles
"Most" and "Every" are besides the point. The Jedi archives have 20000+ years worth of knowledge on both the Jedi arts and the more mundane facts. "Most" and "Every" were entirely irrelevant to my point, I never brought them up - there's entirely too much knowledge in the archives for that.
Yes, they revise whatever data they put into the archives. They study already created holos to make ammends if necessary to any data in the holos. Most of the info in the archives is compiled by the librarians, generations of librarians. No one is suggesting the amount of info they gained, as I said earlier, the archives are too massive (you'd need millenia to study a significant fraction of the compiled info).
The amount of information the librarians would go through in their lifetimes would rationally be more than what Revan went through on Malachor in 1 or 2 years (canonically). Keep in mind he didn't have the benefit of the peace and quiet librarians have.
You're examples were piss poor as well - no rational correlation (mentioning villains like Sadow, Jacen et al). You also assume that force knowledge translates to destructive power.
Again force knowledge does not have to have a direct relation to martial prowess, especially if its jedi knowledge. Jocasta Nu was a seeker of knowledge and Jedi Master of some repute, but she was killed easily by Anakin.
A full time scholar and historian is going to have more knowledge than a war lord, given the two premise here. [/B]