Revan strengths

Started by Aklis27 pages
Aklis Evil frickin' Sith Lord
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Eh, from what I remember of the Sith'ari thing, it doesn't actually take "The best, arooound. Nothing's ever gonna keep him down". Just someone who can get the job done---like Bane. Crafty little bugger.

Note that I even wrote 'clue' in italics.

And, as Incanus wrote, the Sith'ari is, as quoted from Yuthura Ban; "One who has freed themselves from all restrictions has reached perfection, their potential fulfilled. Perfect strength, perfect power, perfect destiny. Imagine it."

Autokrat Unknown

Sounds like Neiztche's overman... merged with Aristotle's concept of self realization.

Those elitist bastards.

Lord Lucien Lets all love Lain

Originally posted by Aklis
Note that I even wrote 'clue' in italics.

And, as Incanus wrote, the Sith'ari is, as quoted from Yuthura Ban; "One who has freed themselves from all restrictions has reached perfection, their potential fulfilled. Perfect strength, perfect power, perfect destiny. Imagine it."

Unless the Sith'ari is Aslan, it sounds like hyperbole.

Incanus Istari

Nah, Bane would wtfpwn Aslan. IDC about armageddon, ooooh, I can destroy a world for no reason!!!! OOOOOH, NO ONE CARES!!!!@ so could the DEATH STAR, WHAT NOW?????

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
We know he defeated Malak, and was standing over him with a lightsaber. But we don't know the specifics of the fight, he may have used mines or grenades. I am sure he's more powerful than Malak, but people may argue he didn't beat him fair and square.

So you think that Revan invited some photographers at that spot, ignited his Light-saber, and posed for them over fallen Malak to show the world how fair and square he was during the duel - hiding from the world the supposed truth that he actually used grenades and mines against Malak to defeat him? Do you understand that how silly it sounds?

Duron Qel Droma actually saw a vision of the final moments of Revan's duel with Malak.

Gideon Restricted

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
So you think that Revan invited some photographers at that spot, ignited his Light-saber, and posed for them over fallen Malak to show the world how fair and square he was during the duel - hiding from the world the supposed truth that he actually used grenades and mines against Malak to defeat him? Do you understand that how silly it sounds?

Duron Qel Droma actually saw a vision of the final moments of Revan's duel with Malak.

Dude! You seem to communicate in such a rigid manner. What is up with that, dawg? Why are you capitalizing the 'L' in Light-saber? Hmm? Well, dawg? What is up with that, man?

Does Revan, who is a master of Force whirlwind and Force crush, have Photo-graphers on speed dial?

Dude!

...

William Shatner called and said his Captain Kirk routine is copyrighted.

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Nephthys The Gr8est!!!!!!!!

That was mean. And to be honest it doesn't really matter how Revan beat Malak. If he used grenades, it just means he's that good with grenades, and would beat malak level combatants with grenades again. Sabers, same thing. Force, same thing. Revan is at the established level of having defeated Malak at least twice in a row, so who cares how he did it, becuase she'll always be on that level no matter what she used to do it.

Gideon Restricted

no

And Revan, for the final time, is a guy.

/argument

Nephthys The Gr8est!!!!!!!!

\argument

'Never compromise, even in the face of Armageddon.'
- Rorschach

Gideon Restricted

YOU WILL SUBMIT, WHORE!

(it's a pick up line of mine. 😄)

truejedi Senior Member

Originally posted by Gideon
YOU WILL SUBMIT, WHORE!

(it's a pick up line of mine. 😄)

😆 😆

Slash_KMC Retired Helper

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
So you think that Revan invited some photographers at that spot, ignited his Light-saber, and posed for them over fallen Malak to show the world how fair and square he was during the duel - hiding from the world the supposed truth that he actually used grenades and mines against Malak to defeat him? Do you understand that how silly it sounds?

Duron Qel Droma actually saw a vision of the final moments of Revan's duel with Malak.

My god, do you really have to reply to something I said more than 2 weeks ago. Notice how I said before that I actually think Revan is more powerful, or didn't you see that?

Yes, he saw the final moments of their duel. You know what happened in my last moments of the duel, I whipped out my lightsaber to slash down the weakened Malak. It is not likely, but it is possible that Malak was injured by a fury of grenades at the beginning of the battle and then Revan duelled and killed Malak in a short lightsaber fight.

So until we get some actual proof and not just a vision of the final moments, we can't use it as fact, like I said a few times before. Imagine if we just saw the end of Anakin Vs Obi-Wan (not when Anakin was pushing Obi back), Obi-Wan Vs Maul (not when Maul was actually owning Obi), Luke Vs Vader (not where Vader was dominating until Luke used the Dark Side), Dooku vs Anakin and Obi-Wan (before the duo switched the lightsaber styles) or Sidious Vs Mace (not when Sidious was actually pushing Mace until Mace intensively used Vapaad).

But I know it's hard to accept, especially for a fanboy like you, that Revan is an unknown and according to an interview someone posted here, he will stay that way.

Elite Hunter Senior Member
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
[B]My god, do you really have to reply to something I said more than 2 weeks ago. /B]

It's a sw legend, he'll a revive a month old thread to talk about revan's uberness.

*ApathyIsDeath* Junior Member
Originally posted by Nephthys
That was mean. And to be honest it doesn't really matter how Revan beat Malak. If he used grenades, it just means he's that good with grenades, and would beat malak level combatants with grenades again. Sabers, same thing. Force, same thing. Revan is at the established level of having defeated Malak at least twice in a row, so who cares how he did it, becuase she'll always be on that level no matter what she used to do it.

Why do you keep switching between Revan being male and female?

Slash_KMC Retired Helper
Originally posted by *ApathyIsDeath*
Why do you keep switching between Revan being male and female?

He's annoying like that.

Red Nemesis The Blind Critic

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
My god, do you really have to reply to something I said more than 2 weeks ago. Notice how I said before that I actually think Revan is more powerful, or didn't you see that?

Yes, he saw the final moments of their duel. You know what happened in my last moments of the duel, I whipped out my lightsaber to slash down the weakened Malak. It is not likely, but it is possible that Malak was injured by a fury of grenades at the beginning of the battle and then Revan duelled and killed Malak in a short lightsaber fight.

So until we get some actual proof and not just a vision of the final moments, we can't use it as fact, like I said a few times before. Imagine if we just saw the end of Anakin Vs Obi-Wan (not when Anakin was pushing Obi back), Obi-Wan Vs Maul (not when Maul was actually owning Obi), Luke Vs Vader (not where Vader was dominating until Luke used the Dark Side), Dooku vs Anakin and Obi-Wan (before the duo switched the lightsaber styles) or Sidious Vs Mace (not when Sidious was actually pushing Mace until Mace intensively used Vapaad).

But I know it's hard to accept, especially for a fanboy like you, that Revan is an unknown and according to an interview someone posted here, he will stay that way.

OH GOSH SO MUCH WIN

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
My god, do you really have to reply to something I said more than 2 weeks ago. Notice how I said before that I actually think Revan is more powerful, or didn't you see that?

Two weeks isn't that old. I have seen debates continuing in far older threads. If you believe that Revan was more powerful, you should have sticked to that notion instead of bringing mines and grenades in to the equation. Sounds like you wanted some attention.

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Yes, he saw the final moments of their duel. You know what happened in my last moments of the duel, I whipped out my lightsaber to slash down the weakened Malak. It is not likely, but it is possible that Malak was injured by a fury of grenades at the beginning of the battle and then Revan duelled and killed Malak in a short lightsaber fight.

And Malak was allowing Revan to hurl grenades at him? What about his Force moves?

Malak wasn't missing some of his body parts in Qel Droma's vision and neither in the final cutscene in KOTOR game. Explosives can do lots of damage to human bodies. Just think about it.

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
So until we get some actual proof and not just a vision of the final moments, we can't use it as fact, like I said a few times before. Imagine if we just saw the end of Anakin Vs Obi-Wan (not when Anakin was pushing Obi back), Obi-Wan Vs Maul (not when Maul was actually owning Obi), Luke Vs Vader (not where Vader was dominating until Luke used the Dark Side), Dooku vs Anakin and Obi-Wan (before the duo switched the lightsaber styles) or Sidious Vs Mace (not when Sidious was actually pushing Mace until Mace intensively used Vapaad).

Proof? That vision reveals to us that a lightsaber duel took place between the two. Now I know that the fight is open to speculation and we need more details but the mines and grenades theory is simply absurd.

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
But I know it's hard to accept, especially for a fanboy like you, that Revan is an unknown and according to an interview someone posted here, he will stay that way.

What is hard for me to accept: illogical assumptions or proper logical deductions and facts?

Wolverine2179 Restricted

Revan is too much on an unknown, we know hes powerful legend, but HOW powerful and how great of a combatant is very hard to conclude.

Hes up there in my opinion, while revans knowledge of the force is definatly higher than that of vader and galen mareks, they outclass him when in comes to command of the force.

Red Nemesis The Blind Critic

No. You don't get to act superior. Here's why:

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Two weeks isn't that old. I have seen debates continuing in far older threads. If you believe that Revan was more powerful, you should have sticked to that notion instead of bringing mines and grenades in to the equation. Sounds like you wanted some attention.

*stuck
The attempt to turn the question around is admirable; turnabout is fair play. The ploy fails here, however, because you used a blatant strawman of Slash's original post after providing it in a quote. So we can see in your original post (the one referred to in Slash's response) that your paraphrasing of Slash's point was blatantly skewed.

Sounds like Revan was insufficiently fellated for your tastes. (pun)


And Malak was allowing Revan to hurl grenades at him? What about his Force moves?

I'm not sure if you've been privy to the 'initiation' by Lucien yet, but the 'Grenades and Mines' line is not (generally) taken literally. It is a shorthand way of illustrating just how vague our knowledge of the duel really is.

Were I to be particularly obstinate then I would insist on a literalist reading of the metaphor: Revan theoretically could have used skill in demolitions to use grenades and mines to distract or maneuver Malak into a corner or some such.

In fact, let's go with that. Prove me wrong.


Malak wasn't missing some of his body parts in Qel Droma's vision and neither in the final cutscene in KOTOR game. Explosives can do lots of damage to human bodies. Just think about it.

No you think about it. We have a complete unknown in terms of combat prowess and a near unknown in terms of methodology. The few scraps of knowledge we have suggest that he was a tactical genius. Do you think that he would be unable to use unorthodox methods?


Proof? That vision reveals to us that a lightsaber duel took place between the two. Now I know that the fight is open to speculation and we need more details but the mines and grenades theory is simply absurd.

1. It is unlikely, but no more so than any other specific chain of events.
2. The grounds upon which you are dismissing it are absolutely worthless.
2a. Having ignited one's blade does not preclude use of other means of attack; look at Mara Jade vs. Caedus.
3. Given 1 and 2, we can conclude that your argument is weak.
4. Given 3, we can reflect upon how sad that really is, considering you are arguing against a strawman of an in group shorthand.


What is hard for me to accept: illogical assumptions or proper logical deductions and facts?

Well, your track record in this thread would suggest the latter. That you are assuming there was a conventional lightsaber duel based on a brief glimpse of the denouement suggests a preconceived destination that could not be changed, no matter what evidence was presented.

truejedi Senior Member

this is ridiculous. This revan thing has been hashed and rehashed, and never can anyone prove that revan didn't use mines!! and mines are easy to use, if one is sssstealthy!

As the commander of the Western Hemisphere, and definite superior to SLASH!!! (anger), I hereby declare that SW legend is wrong, and if he wants to know why, he can look it up himself.