Originally posted by chomperx9
you ask me a question il answer it. if the answer is yes then ok just wondering if no same thing
What are you goals for your question? Why is it even important?
Are you trying to equate perceived altruisms in my post to some sort of theological teaching?
Areyou trying to equate some sort of perceived negative to some sort of theological teaching?
If you don't answer that, you will never get an answer from me.
Originally posted by dadudemonhas nothing to do with what you posted was just curious thats all.
What are you goals for your question? Why is it even important?Are you trying to equate perceived altruisms in my post to some sort of theological teaching?
Areyou trying to equate some sort of perceived negative to some sort of theological teaching?
If you don't answer that, you will never get an answer from me.
Im not tipping anyone who doesnt aknowledge the presence of the customer. I may understand that it could be busy, but a simple "i will soon be with you" is enough for me.
Basically if you get attention and are pampered around, a tip would be deserved.
If you need to constantly chase to get service, then you have every right to complain and ask for a discount. Which most of the times works.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Since it's a name, though, the "first" letter doesn't exist, and we start with "i", so I'm figuring on capitlizing it.I originally typed it lower case. I hit preview, and it just looked wrong. I didn't want my post to start resembling chomper's. (No offense, chomper)
The word, however, is still "Minimalist". The awkwardness of it is half of the fun. But no, I invented it, so the "i" stays small.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Yeah right. A bowl or two later and the only thing you'll care about is a bag of dorritos.
thats offensive to a diabetic. Please be more careful
also, a couple of bowls and I'm more likely to type 3 paragraphs about why the M is decadent.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
The whole tipping business is bullshit. In Japan it is offensive to tip a taxi driver, because he works for his money and does not take charity.When I go to the bar or a restaurant, the waiter/tress there has been employed to do a job of serving and giving me a great service. It is in their job description to give a good service and that is what the employer pays them to do.
So, what is tipping? Giving them money for doing what they were supposed to be doing anyway.If the wage is too low, that is nobody's problem - get another job where the wage is higher.
Well, tipping is a tradition that helps ensure good service. It might be their job, but they are paid garbage and the law recognizes that part of their income is from tips. If you don't believe in tipping then you simply don't deserve good service. Nothing on this planet says you have no class more so than being cheap.
Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Well, tipping is a tradition that helps ensure good service. It might be their job, but they are paid garbage and the law recognizes that part of their income is from tips. If you don't believe in tipping then you simply don't deserve good service. Nothing on this planet says you have no class more so than being cheap.
Oh right, I see, so people in other countries simply have no class. That's just offensive, not to mention ridiculous and wrong.
Tipping is an American custom rarely seen elsewhere as it is in North America.
I don't give a flying feck their wage is low. The law does not 'recognize their low wage' or any such thing - their wage is low BECAUSE they receive tons and tons of tips.
Hence government deducts 15% of their wage, whatever it is, because it cannot TAX the tip they get.
This ridiculous custom has equated professional waiters with those who can't get a better job or collage student getting though school - which is even more offensive and wrong.
Waiters elsewhere, trained waiters, have higher wage, because they don't depend on charity and begging in order to do their job.
It's demeaning and pathetic and hence considered quite rude in many parts of the world.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Oh right, I see, so people in other countries simply have no class. That's just offensive, not to mention ridiculous and wrong.
Tipping is an American custom rarely seen elsewhere as it is in North America.I don't give a flying feck their wage is low. The law does not 'recognize their low wage' or any such thing - their wage is low BECAUSE they receive tons and tons of tips.
Hence government deducts 15% of their wage, whatever it is, because it cannot TAX the tip they get.This ridiculous custom has equated professional waiters with those who can't get a better job or collage student getting though school - which is even more offensive and wrong.
Waiters elsewhere, trained waiters, have higher wage, because they don't depend on charity and begging in order to do their job.
It's demeaning and pathetic and hence considered quite rude in many parts of the world.
Well, as someone who's traveled extensivly thru much of Europe, Canada, and Latin America I can say this. The service is MUCH better in Latin America (tipping is quite common in Latin America) and the US than it is in Canada and Europe, hell, even many Europeans I've met will acknowledge this. I've also NEVER had anyone offended by the tips I give them and I give them in Europe and Canada too.
You can have your condescending attitude towards tipped employees and they deserve each and every tip they get simply because they have to deal with people like YOU.
Canada has a near identical tipping culture to the US, so you saying the service is much worse in Canada kinda destroys your own argument, doesn't it? Makes me very sceptical as to the value of the extensive travel you claim.
It's also ridiculous to call her attitude condescending. It's not condesending to expect someome paid to do their job to do their job without additional 'encouragement' from you, doubly so when the practise is weirdly confinded to certain areas only.
I'm with Lil. Tipping actually makes me acutely uncomfortable, and the idea that it is socially unacceptable to NOT tip is hideous. Simple peer pressure bullying.
That statement in absolutely no way removes or lessens what a horrible thing tipping is, and it is equally ridiculous that people should feel they have to stay away from places like restaurants because they don't want to get involved in this absurd tipping ritual.
Like I say, just social bullying. Telling people to stay away is likewise. I find that rather horrible, actually. And that is masquerades as a voluntary thing and then it becomes this "If you don't like it, stay away..." issue... that's actively immoral.
Tipping is arbitrary and unfair and weirdly confined to just certain areas which makes the moral argument behind it bullshit. The whole practice should be abolished and all service industries playing by the same rules.
It is within living memory that tipping just about anywhere was considered rude. Now this ridiculous social pressure has forced Governments to adjust laws to align with it. It's... soft-headed gibberish, the whole thing.
First of all, you've yet to prove that tipping is a horrible practice as a fact. Need to do that first.
Not tipping a person for their service is as you put it "rather horrible", in places where tipping is established.
Mind you, if you don't tip nothing horrible is going to happen to you, just rude (and cheap) behavior.
Edit: I see you added. Until it's reworked and standards are set. Bewary where you eat/ask for servies, if tipping is so bothersome to you.
You think it is something that needs proving? If you cannot see how something so arbitrary, unfair and socially nauseating ias a bad thing then that is your own problem.
And your second sentence is a direct symptomn of this. So it is horrible to NOT tip now, is it? This whole thing which is based around giving someone extra for good service, voluntarily... now that's been twisted aroudn to the point where if you do not AUTOMATICALLY pay them, YOU are considered the horrible one? And should expect rude behaviour from professionals as a result? Again- this is simply bullying me for my money.
Seriously, this is the type of thing that causes problems in society, and I find your support of it frankly disturbing.