Tipping servers and other job items with money motivation.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
[Ah, so now you admit that Canada does have a tipping culture

Jesus Christ...I did in the beginning

, you can also freely admit that you saying that the service there was not as good kinda craps over your original point, doesn;t it?

No, I'm saying it isn't as prevelant as it is in the US, which it isn't, and thus service isn't as good. Please learn something about human nature

Sorry, but everyone reading your original post can see it was based around the idea of tipping not being a Canadian thing, which explained your experiences of poor service there.

oh, I'm glad you understand how everyone else views this, thanks for setting me straight

Originally posted by dadudemon
Exactly. 👆

I said that pages ago, where in the **** is my thumbs up.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
WOW...Just, WOW! Emotional bullying? Immoral?
The lengths some people will go to to justify being cheap. I don't think Robtard is the one needing worrying about

Again, it is extremely disturbing that you think it is cheap to not pay someone for a job that they are already being professionally paid for. And you yourself routinely do not tip many other people that serve you during your life.

My payment for good service should be included in the cost of the meal and nowhere else. I should never feel obligated by default to pay those serving me extra just... because they were doing their damn job! I don't ask my students to tip me, do I?

Bringing out this 'cheap' argument is part of that emotional blackmail. And again, you are contributing to it.

Very poor stuff indeed.

Originally posted by Robtard
I said that pages ago, where in the **** is my thumbs up.

You ass. I had to let go of your dick to even give Jaden the thumbs up. My other thumb is in your ass.

You had better tip me or I'll give you the Adolph Hitler with this other thumb.

Robtard- you saying 'no-one is forcing you' is, basically, avoiding the point and is untrue. You are socially expected to do so, which makes refusing exceptionally difficult. Again, if you don';t ackonwledge that, it is either willful obstruction or stupidity.

Dark Cloud- no you did not in the beginning; that is a feeble lie. Like I said, your original post implied there was no such culture in Canada. Stop trying to wriggle out of it.

Originally posted by dadudemon

. A thank you is empty and meaningless. But a crisp 20 isn't. It actually means something.

👆

Actually, is is again extremely sad that a genuine 'thank you' is being lessened in value so. And the idea that thanks should be replaced with money is... again horrifying.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Robtard- you saying 'no-one is forcing you' is, basically, avoiding the point and is untrue. You are socially expected to do so, which makes refusing exceptionally difficult. Again, if you don';t ackonwledge that, it is either willful obstruction or stupidity.

No one is forcing you, it's expected, but not even the waiter (who you've stiffed, imo) has the right to force a tip from you.

Just curious, do you tip (and hate it) or no?

I already answered that above. Yes, I hate it.

And it is effectively forced. Again- social pressure. Added to which is the idea that if I DON'T tip, I am somehow making a complaint, which is insane.

Why people accept this is a mystery to me. It is completely illogical, arbitrary, contrary to good sense and specially appleid to a very small number of jobs. Yet people seem to think it is normal and acceptable- principally, it must be said, in the US. It's almost brainwashing.

😖igh: Well, I can see where this is going. I think further discussion on the matter is pointless. I'm going out for a drink, and I'll remember to tip my bartender.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Robtard- you saying 'no-one is forcing you' is, basically, avoiding the point and is untrue. You are socially expected to do so, which makes refusing exceptionally difficult. Again, if you don';t ackonwledge that, it is either willful obstruction or stupidity.

No, I'd say for most of the strong personalities here, refusing is quite easy. In fact, I'd so most of the American GDFers would be far more likely to not tip with bad service than the average American would. Just a guess.

Thankfully, tipping the barman in the UK is still seen as the height of rudeness. You buy them a dirnk instead.

Ushgarack,

Then stop being such a wuss and succumbing to "social pressures", **** the servers and don't tip, if you feel that strongly about it.

Edit: Why is it "brainwashing" is the US? When tipping isn't a US phenomenom.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Actually, is is again extremely sad that a genuine 'thank you' is being lessened in value so. And the idea that thanks should be replaced with money is... again horrifying.

Not replaced, but supplemented with.

Think of it this way: it's socialism. 😆

Originally posted by dadudemon
No, I'd say for most of the strong personalities here, refusing is quite easy. In fact, I'd so most of the American GDFers would be far more likely to not tip with bad service than the average American would. Just a guess.

Assuming that is true, it doesn't change my argument as it applies to the majority of people rather than 'strong personalities'.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Not replaced, but supplemented with.

Good God, do you really think that? Do you really think that supplements a thank you rather than destroying its value?

I'm... shocked. What the hell is wrong with people these days? A decent thanks you has no need of any supplementing by bribery.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Canada does not have the same tipping culture the US does. Tipping in Canada is more common than in Europe but not as extensive as in the US. Years ago when I worked in the Las Vegas casino industry we had a saying..."What's the difference between Canoes and Canadians?...Canoes tip"

I know not all Canadians or Europeans are cheap, some tip quite well. There are also many cheap Americans.

I'll add I know quite about service in the UK as well. My sister lives in North Yorkshire so I visit your country every year and know firsthand how service there is as well. In general it is average by American standards, though it has been good on some occasions and really crappy on others. The people always seem genuinely thankful when I leave them a tip.

Of course it has. I live in Canada and there is a tipping culture of 15%. And in Quebec it is written in the minimum wage law, as well. 15% deducted, so if you don't make the tip of 15%, you CAN technically lose money.

If that is not imposing, I don't really know what is.

Originally posted by Robtard
Ushgarack,

Then stop being such a wuss and succumbing to "social pressures", **** the servers and don't tip, if you feel that strongly about it.

Edit: Why is it "brainwashing" is the US? When tipping isn't a US phenomenom.

Sorry, but the US is pretty much ground zero of the tip culture. It is seen globally as an American thing.

And you can put on all the bravado you like- but I reckon in fact nearly all of you submit to social pressures. Mr. Pink talked big but he paid up.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Objection, your honor. They do not get "tons and tons" of tips...unless they work at a t*tty bar and are serving the food/drinks topless with a side of lap-dance.

Being a server isn't a very good living. You can make more in most call centers. Trust me. Back in the day, I quit serving to go make more in a call center. 😐

WHAT?

No. You are taxed on your tip income.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you. The money you make per hour, pretty much all goes to taxes, because after your tips for the day are reported, the money you got paid per hour almost all goes to taxes.

What?

I'm confused again.

What's wrong with being a server if you're a college student...or a dumbass.

But, you see, to us, it's demeaning and pathetic to treat your servers so poorly, regardless of their wage. There's no better way to show your satisfaction of service by bonusing the person who rendered services. A thank you is empty and meaningless. But a crisp 20 isn't. It actually means something.

I am talking about Canada, and tip income WAS taxed but since you cannot PROVE tip income and many don't REPORT the tip income, you are taxed on your wage assuming you earned tip.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Sorry, but the US is pretty much ground zero of the tip culture. It is seen globally as an American thing.

And you can put on all the bravado you like- buty I reckon in fact nearly all of you submit to social pressures. Mr. Pink talked big but he paid up.

Yet other countries have it, odd, no.

I don't smoke, I rarely drink, I'll call anyone that cuts me off while driving a "stupid c**t"... wait, I do tip.

Mr. Pink gave a dollar because his meal was being paid for by someone else, his own words.