Originally posted by UshgarakWell, most US restaurants combine all of their tips up and divide them between the wait staff, giving them all an equal share...so, you're point is sort of meaningless there.
The money isn't going directly to the people serving you- it is conceptually different at a fundamental level.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Feeble. Talking about gratuities as a historical concept makes no difference. Tipping as is the subject of this entire thread is a modern-day US-originated phenomenon. So your 'check your facts' gibberish means nothing to me.You can deny this reality all you like- won't change it.
So you get to decide which gratuities (aka tips) count and which don't. Great.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
That's crossing a line, dadude. Do NOT make comments like that again.Meanwhile, if yuo think thanks need money to be 'really meant'... then that is pitiful.
Actually, what it looks like: you don't like being called stingy. Stop using your title as mod throw around your weight in a conversation.
I have Jewish lineage and I'm quite proud of how frugal my family can be.
I take offense that you think it's offensive. What's wrong with being Jewish?
Originally posted by dadudemon
Then that goes back to the honesty of the individual. And, at the place I worked, it would become quite obvious if you didn't report all of your tips. Some did it...were caught, and then fired. 😐
I don't think Canadian government really cares about honesty of individuals. They just want their tax money, and they get it. And it's up to us to make it up for them...
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I don't think Canadian government really cares about honesty of individuals. They just want their tax money, and they get it. And it's up to us to make it up for them...
You seem to know too much about Canada after being there for such a short time.
You MUST be a spy! 😆
Originally posted by Robtard
Canada for one, as people have mentioned above. Latin American companies.So W. Euro do have a tipping system, it's just cleverly disguised as "included in the bill", I think you've been had, Ms., you tip and you accept it as normal.
Latin American 'companies'? What?
And seriously, Canada? I fail to see a great big cultural difference between Canadians and Americans. You're all Americans, and Quebecois are Americans that speak French.
And tipping in West Europe is not disguised as anything. Service charge, IF there is one, in certain places is part of the bill, and even as that it is relatively uncommon.
Tipping is not expected - there is no other way of saying that.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Latin American 'companies'? What?And seriously, Canada? I fail to see a great big cultural difference between Canadians and Americans. You're all Americans, and Quebecois are Americans that speak French.
And tipping in West Europe is not disguised as anything. Service charge, IF there is one, in certain places is part of the bill, and even as that it is relatively uncommon.
Tipping is not expected - there is no other way of saying that.
Meant "countries", Latin American countries.
Just because the US and Canada shares a border, it doesn't make them culturally the same. Same goes for Mexico, which takes tips too.
Service charge? So it's basically a forced tip, as you're paying and then paying extra. That seems more "morally wrong" than a tipping, which you can give or not give.
Originally posted by Robtard
Meant "countries", Latin American countries.Just because the US and Canada shares a border, it doesn't make them culturally the same. Same goes for Mexico, which takes tips too.
Service charge? So it's basically a forced tip, as you're paying and then paying extra. That seems more "morally wrong" than a tipping, which you can give or not give.
You also share border with Mexico, but you're not similar, however Canadians = Americans. There is nothing that you do that is so culturally diverse compared to Canadians. And that is a fact.
And weather it is morally wrong or not is a separate question, considering that it is uncommon practice and those that do implement it are rather classy places that actually have to PAY a well trained waiters to serve you.
Like I keep repeating, this is uncommon and it is the ONLY trace of ''tipping'' in Europe. That IS the only trace of tipping culture.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Because it is a ridiculous practice.Obviously I immigrated to a place where this practice is common, and therefore adhere to it.
It doesn't stop me from not liking it.
Then that's fair enough. I see nothing wrong with the way you're doing things.
I don't like paying SS...but I am forced to. Same way your European counterparts are forced to pay their tips. Isn't that morally objectionable to you?
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
You also share border with Mexico, but you're not similar, however Canadians = Americans. There is nothing that you do that is so culturally diverse compared to Canadians. And that is a fact.And weather it is morally wrong or not is a separate question, considering that it is uncommon practice and those that do implement it are rather classy places that actually have to PAY a well trained waiters to serve you.
Like I keep repeating, this is uncommon and it is the ONLY trace of ''tipping'' in Europe. That IS the only trace of tipping culture.
Not that I find being called a Canadian offensive, but there's probably a few Canadians, especially in the French segments that would find that offensive.
Trace or not, you're still paying extra for services you're already paid for (just like a tip), one difference, you have to pay. Unless you can refuse this extra 'service charge'?
Originally posted by Robtard
Not that I find being called a Canadian offensive, but there's probably a few Canadians, especially in the French segments that would find that offensive.Trace or not, you're still paying extra for services you're already paid for (just like a tip), one difference, you have to pay. Unless you can refuse this extra 'service charge'?
I really have no idea if you can refuse extra charge. I will investigate since I never had to pay it in Europe. If your service is crap you can refuse to pay, but that is everywhere...I am guessing.
And I yes French Canadians do find that offensive, however, trust me on this, they are Americans that speak French.
Things they do, French people would never, Food they eat, French would never eat, social habits they have, French would never practice...etc.
Not saying that any of those are bad, just very different to French.
It kind of irritates me when they insist they're French. They're not.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I really have no idea if you can refuse extra charge. I will investigate since I never had to pay it in Europe. If your service is crap you can refuse to pay, but that is everywhere...I am guessing.And I yes French Canadians do find that offensive, however, trust me on this, they are Americans that speak French.
Things they do, French people would never, Food they eat, French would never eat, social habits they have, French would never practice...etc.Not saying that any of those are bad, just very different to French.
It kind of irritates me when they insist they're French. They're not.
mannerisms, very american like, especially by European standards...
culture... I think you are selling Canada a little short...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_identity
Ever seen "weird sex and snowshoes"?
I am not a fan of tipping. I am already paying you for the food/drink/service, why should I pay you again? Never mind the fact that your job really isn't that difficult that it warrants a "tip" (USUALLY). I was at the bars up in Montreal and early during the night we were at one that wasn't very busy. The bartender was pretty much just standing there bullshitting and talking to me and my friends and would occasionally bring us a beer and have one for himself. I would pay the 5 dollars for the beer then throw him another dollar for a tip, just to be nice and stuff but it really wasn't in any way earned or deserved. We had maybe 6 beers in an hour there and each of us gave him a dollar tip per beer, so he really just made around 20+ dollars an hour in tips on top of what he is getting paid.
If the stories of waiters really being paid something like 3.50 an hour and depending on tips is true then that is bullshit and sucks, but still if service doesn't deserve a tip it shouldn't get one.
Originally posted by inimalist
mannerisms, very american like, especially by European standards...culture... I think you are selling Canada a little short...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_identity
Ever seen "weird sex and snowshoes"?
I have not seen the said cinematic presentation, but I shall look it up.
I am sure Canadians are different, but unfortunately I only had French Canadians around me and this whole ''we are French'' thing rather irritates the shit out of me, since they had no contact with France at one point for 400 years.
No French person I met here sees them as remotely French. Which is understandable, of course.
Another thing that irritates me is that they present themselves as French to English Canadians and Americans. To French people they present themselves as Quebecois, because they know they can't get away with saying they're French.
Tipping still sucks, though.
Originally posted by KidRock
If the stories of waiters really being paid something like 3.50 an hour and depending on tips is true then that is bullshit and sucks, but still if service doesn't deserve a tip it shouldn't get one.