Juggernauts test

Originally posted by shokosugi
psychic/telepathic/sonic/whatever. the protection comes from the helmet not the gem and that is my point.

Who said the gem protected him from any of those attacks? Pretty obvious point. Also psychic and telepathic are pretty much the same thing.

Originally posted by shokosugi
psychic/telepathic/sonic/whatever. the protection comes from the helmet not the gem and that is my point.

Where do you think his helmet comes from?

Originally posted by shokosugi
psychic/telepathic/sonic/whatever. the protection comes from the helmet not the gem and that is my point.

He is also protected by his skull cap, which again, you would know if you actually read your scans.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Concession accepted.

concession? ROFL!

I thought YOU conceeded. 🙂)

I am aware of what happened between Beast and Juggs, i was just showing that the gem DOES not protect Juggs from EVERYTHING.

Your argument is that Superman can some how over-power Juggernaut because he died in Oblivion?

Originally posted by shokosugi

I am aware of what happened between Beast and Juggs, i was just showing that the gem DOES not protect Juggs from EVERYTHING.

ROFL the scan clearly shows Juggs is vulnerable to telepathic attacks (Prof. X scan) with his Helmet off theres nothing more to discuss. 🙂)

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Your argument is that Superman can some how over-power Juggernaut because he died in Oblivion?

no, just ignore the last scan and focus on the first 2.

Originally posted by shokosugi
concession? ROFL!

I thought YOU conceeded. 🙂)

I am aware of what happened between Beast and Juggs, i was just showing that the gem DOES not protect Juggs from EVERYTHING.

Well it protects him from things Cyttorak level and below. Eternity and Oblivion are obviously above him. Clark's strength and abilities are not imo. If you want to be technical about the sonic Nimrod scan, then you can see he waited until he removed the helmet and exposed his ears.

The psychic attacks have nothing to do with Cyttorak. They are able to affect Cain, because he is a human with no mental defenses or training. Give Deadpool the power of the Juggernaut and psychic attacks will fail. The gem grants him physical invulnerability and most if not complete invulnerability against energy attacks and most invulnerability against magic but that flip flops all over the place.

My argument is, WHEN Jugg's helmet is off, Supes can use T-vo to defeat him.

end of discussion 🙂

First one was a sonic attack specfically tuned to stop Cains synaptic responses. The 2nd scan was a team effort obviously.

Originally posted by shokosugi
ROFL the scan clearly shows Juggs is vulnerable to telepathic attacks (Prof. X scan) with his Helmet off theres nothing more to discuss. 🙂)

Yeah a non CIS Cain could easily counter telepathic assaults by summoning his forcefield.

Originally posted by shokosugi
My argument is, WHEN Jugg's helmet is off, Supes can use T-vo to defeat him.

end of discussion 🙂

Helmet won't come off due to Forcefield.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Well it protects him from things Cyttorak level and below. Eternity and Oblivion are obviously above him. Clark's strength and abilities are not imo. If you want to be technical about the sonic Nimrod scan, then you can see he waited until he removed the helmet and exposed his ears.

i agree.

The psychic attacks have nothing to do with Cyttorak. They are able to affect Cain, because he is a human with no mental defenses or training. Give Deadpool the power of the Juggernaut and psychic attacks will fail. The gem grants him physical invulnerability and most if not complete invulnerability against energy attacks and most invulnerability against magic but that flip flops all over the place.

And that's why Superman win's via T-Vo. 🙂

T-Vo is a plot power that Superman has used that one time as far as I recall. It seems unlikely he'll whip it out here.

his helmet has been removed even with his FF up just by brute force.

Originally posted by shokosugi
his helmet has been removed even with his FF up just by brute force.

Cain has never used his FF in a fight with Hulk. How does that even prove that he had it on?

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
T-Vo is a plot power that Superman has used that one time as far as I recall. It seems unlikely he'll whip it out here.

Superman is allowed to use whatever power he has/had so why would he not use it?

Because he's been around since the 1930's and he's used it 1 time.

Originally posted by shokosugi
Superman is allowed to use whatever power he has/had so why would he not use it?

No he's not he's in DOS mode which was one of his worst modes from what I hear he fought like a straight up brick without using his powers. If they are both able to use every last one of their powers then he still isn't bypassing the FF.