Darth Revan and Darth Nihilus and Darth Vader Vs.Yoda,Obi Wan,and Luke Skywalker NJO

Originally posted by Eminence

He uses the idea that she was "the only one [on the planet] strong enough in the Force to survive [the attack]" as a substitute for her explanation while suggesting that she is wrong because "she was a kid who wouldn't have known the difference [between being too powerful to die and being spared]." That idea is part of the larger argument, so no strawman on my side.
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I repeat:

Eminence, somewhere along the way you lost the fact that I wasn't actually trying to prove Visas too powerful for Nihilius's attack.

I was merely highlighting that there isn't enough known about the attack to guarantee it would work in a situation like this thread presents.

I don't like unknowns in threads, and this one has TWO. That was all i was trying to point out.

Bleh.

You said this:

TJ
She claimed [she survived] because Nihilus wanted her to, but maybe [she survived] because she was the only one strong enough in the force to survive. She was a kid, she wouldn't have known the difference.

Eminence
You're making her out to be an idiot whose own observation is entirely wrong just so that you can have a semblance of something to work off of in suggesting that Nihilus' attack is notably flawed.

TJ
I was merely highlighting that there isn't enough known about the attack to guarantee it would work in a situation like this thread presents.

Seriously, please read that over, then read it again and make sure you understand where I'm coming from before responding. I already cited about a dozen quotes to rebut the four lines of RN's ravings as clearly as possible, specifically with the intent to remove any lingering misunderstandings; I'm not going to do it again, especially for such a simple issue.

Edit: This was a little more jumbled than I would have liked, but I still think it's clear. If it isn't, just PM me later.

that's cool, i can definitly accept that. I was merely throwing out one theory that could be used to explain the attack. Just because that one is most likely false (and i allowed that it was in the same paragraph with the tongue-in-cheek TPM kenobi comment) doesn't mean there is another explanation of Nihilus's attack that prevents it from being a combat move.
I agree, you more or less proved the idea that Visas was too powerful to be destroyed by the attack false. I think we are on the same page here now.

What i meant to say in the beginning (and sorry for making it complicated) was something along the lines of:

For all we know Revan defeated Malak with mines, so his combat ability is unknown,

and instead use nihilus and his insta-kill, such as:

For all we know, Nihilus defeated only weak jedi and force users, so his ability to use the insta-kill in combat is unknown

and then the bolded part could be replaced with whatever theory u wished to include. Instead of pointing that out, i grabbed the first thing off the top of my head, which was the Visa too powerful idea, and inserted it.

Good discussion regardless.

truejedi
that's cool, i can definitly accept that. I was merely throwing out one theory that could be used to explain the attack. Just because that one is most likely false (and i allowed that it was in the same paragraph with the tongue-in-cheek TPM kenobi comment) doesn't mean there is another explanation of Nihilus's attack that prevents it from being a combat move.
I agree, you more or less proved the idea that Visas was too powerful to be destroyed by the attack false. I think we are on the same page here now.

What i meant to say in the beginning (and sorry for making it complicated) was something along the lines of:

For all we know Revan defeated Malak with mines, so his combat ability is unknown,

and instead use nihilus and his insta-kill, such as:

For all we know, Nihilus [B]defeated only weak jedi and force users, so his ability to use the insta-kill in combat is unknown

and then the bolded part could be replaced with whatever theory u wished to include. Instead of pointing that out, i grabbed the first thing off the top of my head, which was the Visa too powerful idea, and inserted it.

Good discussion regardless. [/B]

Ah, peace at last.

I'm not so sure about this one. Doesn't Nihilus have the ability to just eat people and the only reason it didn't work on the Exile was because she was his (to quote one of my Star Wars books exactly) his exact polar opposite? Ah well, assuming Nihilus can't just eat my 3 favorite Jedi, I say they kill him easily (He was killed pretty easily in the game) And I don't think Vader is going to last long against these powerhouses either. That just leaves Revan. I personally don't think he's an unknown but even so, I don't see him beating these 3 by himself. The Jedi dominate.

Originally posted by DarthDaniel1001
I'm not so sure about this one. Doesn't Nihilus have the ability to just eat people and the only reason it didn't work on the Exile was because she was his (to quote one of my Star Wars books exactly) his exact polar opposite? Ah well, assuming Nihilus can't just eat my 3 favorite Jedi, I say they kill him easily (He was killed pretty easily in the game) And I don't think Vader is going to last long against these powerhouses either. That just leaves Revan. I personally don't think he's an unknown but even so, I don't see him beating these 3 by himself. The Jedi dominate.

Fine. Like I said, I give up.

Smart guy.

Thanks. 😎

i believe that the jedis wud win becuz of the sith weak spot which wud be darth vader. and y r the kotor characters "unknown" that was possibly the most prosperous era for jedis and sith. Darth nihlus was a powerful force user and Darth Revan who was suppose to be the strongest force weilder in the "golden age" of the force. he was also said to be skilled with a saber. and if u read the comics with revan it explains how strong Revan truly is, the game may be fun to ploay, but to really get the feel of revan u have to read the comics. Also he was strong in both the light side and the dark side force powers. if darth sion or any other kotor sith was in there than there wud be a better challenge. but if one of the groups lost a member first than they wud easily be demolished

Luke opens black hole> Bye bye Sith, or at least that's how things used to go around here 😉

So he tied an onion to his belt (which was the style at the time) and set off for Capitol City...

Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. Gimme five bees for a quarter, you'd say. Now where was I... oh yeah. The important thing was that I had an onion tied to my belt, which was the style at the time. You couldn't get white onions, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...