Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I go to the store and/or buy them legit.You know, like a fan.
Single issues if I love the series, trades if I can't be bothered with those.
-AC
how does getting them online make you less of a fan.......
I personally have a sub scription and by individual issues, and by old ones either as a trade or dollar or 5 dollar bin box. I also buy CD roms as well.
-BH
Yeah, my (legally obtained) ASM #1-500 CDs are one of the prizes of my collection. There's also a couple good store links in the comic resources thread here in this forum.
I buy most of mine from the local shop. The dude who works Wednesdays and I have a fair amount in common, so we bullsh*t and whatnot while he plays video games at work and I browse lazily through the comics.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
DCP? Why what ever is that good sir?
Comic version of Limewire.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I go to the store and/or buy them legit.You know, like a fan.
Single issues if I love the series, trades if I can't be bothered with those.
-AC
If I wasnt a fan, I wouldnt even bothered getting comics in any format. To be honest to get trades, Id rather go to DCP. In the long run, trades dont worth much.
On the legal side, If I like a particular event (GL:Rebirth, Sinestro Corps, Planet Hulk), Ill go to ebay. Most times after an event finished people would sell the complete thing on ebay. Sometimes much cheaper If buying all issues separately.
Originally posted by theICONiac
Trust me, we have the same problems in Canada (WHERE MOST COMICS ARE PRINTED!!!! Or used to be at least..)I've only ever had one subscription. My wife got me a year-long subscription to the Incredible Hulk about 3 yrs ago as an Xmas present.
AWFUL SERVICE!!! I would peruse my local comic shop every few weeks, see the newest issue of 'Planet Hulk' out, and have to wait LITERALLY 1-2 months before mine arrived in the mail.
Never again... 😠
That's interesting, mine comes around the same time 2 months late is at best. I've had 3 months late before. 🙁
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
That's interesting, mine comes around the same time 2 months late is at best. I've had 3 months late before. 🙁
A 3 month gap happened once to me...
The 'Incredible Hulk' series ended (well, changed to Incred Herc) and I didn't recieve any more, even though I was sure I still had a 12th issue owed to me. So I went out an bought Rulk # 1.
Lo and behold, approx. 3 months later Rulk # 1 shows up in my mailbox.
Wonder if service from DC is as bad??
Darth, it doesn't matter if trades aren't worth "much".
There's material inside it that someone worked hard to create. If you don't wanna pay, you don't deserve to own it. They deserve every penny for their work.
Comics used to cost around 60p each at Forbidden Planet back in the day. Now we're talking £2-3 per comic.
I wonder what's jacking up the price. Oh, that'll be downloaders. Leeching music wasn't enough, not it's comics too.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
You can buy them legit online..........how does getting them online make you less of a fan......
I did say "...and/OR buy them legit.". Read properly. This means that the words "and" and "or" are both applicable. So let's use "or":
"I go to the store OR buy them legit.". Clearly meaning that you can get them legit without getting them from a store.
If you're gonna pursue this vendetta against me, at least make it credible by...ya know...not being wrong.
Also, if you copy my initials, it means I own the rights to your name and can address you however I wish. So, you'll be known as Crabhammer from now forth.
Originally posted by willRules
Now you've lost me. 😐
How?
If you don't pay for your comics, you lack respect and I don't consider you a true fan. A true fan knows that being a fan is as much about giving back to the people who give to YOU, not just taking.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Darth, it doesn't matter if trades aren't worth "much".I wonder what's jacking up the price. Oh, that'll be downloaders. Leeching music wasn't enough, not it's comics too.
I dont agree with that. The pricing its something that comes with the times (same as gas). When I started collecting, comics were between $1.25 -$2 at the most. Now its between $3 and $5. It has nothing to do with downloaders. Downloading comics is something that hasnt been around for that long time anyways. I agree that some creators deserve every penny. Some on the other hand, do not. Something like Ultimatum I wouldnt pay a dime for. Even If I downloaded it, it would be deleted right after because its crap. Same for anything by Rob Liefield. Like I stated, when I like a particular storyline, I try to get it on ebay or at the local comic book store.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
I dont agree with that. The pricing its something that comes with the times (same as gas). When I started collecting, comics were between $1.25 -$2 at the most. Now its between $3 and $5. It has nothing to do with downloaders. Downloading comics is something that hasnt been around for that long time anyways. I agree that some creators deserve every penny. Some on the other hand, do not. Something like Ultimatum I wouldnt pay a dime for. Even If I downloaded it, it would be deleted right after because its crap. Same for anything by Rob Liefield. Like I stated, when I like a particular storyline, I try to get it on ebay or at the local comic book store.
Ridiculous argument.
If you went to a restaurant and had a bad meal, you wouldn't then refuse to pay. You'd pay because that's the right thing to do and because you know you'd get in legal trouble if you didn't. You would then proceed to not come back.
Therefore, even if a comic is crap, the fact that you've had it in your possession and read it means that they deserved the money for it. The only reason you don't give it is because stealing from the internet is anonymous and cowardly.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Ridiculous argument.If you went to a restaurant and had a bad meal, you wouldn't then refuse to pay. You'd pay because that's the right thing to do and because you know you'd get in legal trouble if you didn't. You would then proceed to not come back.
Therefore, even if a comic is crap, the fact that you've had it in your possession and read it means that they deserved the money for it. The only reason you don't give it is because stealing from the internet is anonymous and cowardly.
-AC
When I go to a restaurant I know what Im ordering for the most part. If I order something and I dont like it how they cooked it, I either dont go to that restaurant or dont order that particular food.
If I buy a bad comic, it is not because they deserve the money. It means that I dont read comics at the comic book store. I buy them with my hard earn dollars only to find out at home that they are utter crap. Now not only im stuck with a crappy book thats not gonna worth anything but I wasted my money on it. On todays economy we cant afford to waste money just like that. Unlike music, downloading comics really dont do anything(besides reading free) for whoever does it since the real value for a comic will be for the actual book and not a file.
Bottom line, If I can download a comic, preview it and if I like it then buy, I should do so. I wouldnt give the Liefields, Loebs(lately at least) or the Reginals Hudlins of the comic book universe a dime.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
When I go to a restaurant I know what Im ordering for the most part. If I order something and I dont like it how they cooked it, I either dont go to that restaurant or dont order that particular food.
...but you pay regardless.
No more need be said, but you did anyway. So I'll reply.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
If I buy a bad comic, it is not because they deserve the money. It means that I dont read comics at the comic book store. I buy them with my hard earn dollars only to find out at home that they are utter crap.
Then stick to what you know you like. You do it with food, why not with comics? If you want to take the risk, then that's your own fault. You shouldn't try to get around it by, you know, downloading the comic.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Now not only im stuck with a crappy book thats not gonna worth anything but I wasted my money on it. On todays economy we cant afford to waste money just like that. Unlike music, downloading comics really dont do anything(besides reading free) for whoever does it since the real value for a comic will be for the actual book and not a file.
It's not a matter of whether you're stuck with it or not. It's a matter of; if you aren't prepared to stick with what you know will be good, then you run the risk of buying something disappointing. That's the risk you run. If you're gonna bring the economy into this, then that's all the more reason to pay for comic books, because those people are human too. They do need to be paid for their jobs.
In THIS economy, nobody deserves to be ripped off of money they earn from their work. You wouldn't like it done to you.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Bottom line, If I can download a comic, preview it and if I like it then buy, I should do so. I wouldnt give the Liefields, Loebs(lately at least) or the Reginals Hudlins of the comic book universe a dime.
Then don't own their comics at all, if they're that bad.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriIn THIS economy, nobody deserves to be ripped off of money they earn from their work. You wouldn't like it done to you.
-AC [/B]
Thank u! I dont like to get ripped off. Because of that I will only buy a comic IF I like it. Green Lantern, X-men, Avengers Ill pay for. Anything else, only if I like it.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriThen don't own their comics at all, if they're that bad.
-AC [/B]
Thats the thing, I dont. Best part, Im not losing any sleep over it.
Thats all for now. Got some free ppv to watch online.
Trying to justify downloading comics illegally seems pretty ridiculous to me. I don't have as much of an issue with older franchises where the author and/or creator of a comic are deceased. Creative rights and whatnot. As such, I disagree with a fair amount of copyright law that keeps characters as non-public properties long after their creators are gone. Comics are trickier, because you have ongoing changes to authors. But I wouldn't have an issue with downloading, say, stuff from the early part of the century, whose writers and artists are all gone. Living authors though.....yeah.
Even saying you're "browsing" them, then deleting them if they stink, is disingenuous to the industry. I don't like paying for sh*t more than anyone else. But I support the industry I love, even if I end up with a few duds in my collection. Browsing in comic shops, usually encouraged (and legal), is a great way around this.
That said, I've done some spot research for tourneys through such means. An unfortunate necessity of the insane amount of information that one must know on such short notice in order to even compete. It's one of the reasons I prefer watching/judging/hosting to entering tourneys (there are others, however). I always feel a little dirty inside, but realize that I could never order everything in time and would likely lose early and often in the tourneys otherwise.
if i buy a comic, and think it's shite, i can't bring it back to the store and say i didn't like it and i want a refund.
i will gladly pay full price for a comic that is worth the money, but i seriously have no sympathy for anyone who's going to a) butcher characters and call it a comic, and B) put out a sub standard product.
fans are supposed to vote with their wallets, and as long as people keep buying stuff like matt fraction x-men, nothing is going to change. i'm not going to be a contributor to that, hence me not reading x-men anymore.
Originally posted by jalek moye
but people download the good stuff mostly and just keep it at that which is a huge problem.Me personally i read parts of it at the comic shop to see if I want to buy it or not, unless it's part of a series i'm currently reading.
and that's fine. people should support the comic industry so that they can see the writers they like put out more comics and such...