Originally posted by Survivor19
This thread has gone offtopic, but whatever.Rage, i think you'd be pleased to know you appear to be holding your position nicely to me.
It'd be great, if both sides started posting scans to back their words up.
P.S. Destroyer kills WWH.
Waitwaitwait. You mean you wanna say whos making good points but you havent even noticed them posting scans?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Something like that. It seemed that when the Hulk took a step, the energy expanded underground, and even seemed to travel as they exploded as fissures from the ground causing severe damage.I don't you really can accurately. But it seems pretty clear, that the environmental damage was as large as it was, in large part due to the energy. Quantifying it as a pure strength feat seems wrong to me.
Well, maybe in your mind, where I guess anything goes and not everything works to well, so I'll let it slide. 😛
Got worked by the Hulk? How about you re-read that issue? If you want to post scans I can. He was clearly still standing and able to find in the end.
He let up after several undefending blows? He kept pounding on Thor, frustrated that no matter how hard he tried, he couldn't put him down, screaming "WHY?" and so on. Thor jumps at him, Hulk hits him away, Thor then gets back up as the Hulk approaches, and the Hulk starts shtting bricks as Mjolnir returned.
The Hulk is lucky that Thor doesn't press his advantage and attacks as much ferocity as he does. Thor downs the Hulk, and has him at his mercy, and simply stands over him as he asks him to surrender and so on. Hell, Thor was even worried about the Hulk as he knocked him away, and didn't mean to really harm him, just to stop him.
You count that as a decisive win? Are you serious? So you also count it as a win, as Thor downs the Hulk in a single blow, and stands over him, having even the time to monologue? Or when Thor hits him so hard, he is thrown into a building and is gone for a time presumably down? Or when Thor hits him so hard, he flies into a trailer that explodes, and is gone for such a period of time, that Thor has time to rescue a civilian, and bring him to safety?
Clearly won by the Hulk? Put on your glasses and take another look. As always it was a stalemate. A win, is a knock out. You know when Thor knocks out the Hulk.
sigh . . . this is useless (cuz no one ever even has the CHANCE to change your views, apparently--not a great quality), but, very briefly . . .
you showed some scan from the middle of the fight. these are the end:
http://img31.imageshack.us/i/75528074.jpg/
http://img196.imageshack.us/i/19141680.jpg/
"thor getting weaker, hulk getting stronger". hulk letting him get out of the hole. was thor ko'd? no. did odin ko thanos? but i suppose you think thanos didn't lose that fight either? wait--that's ODIN, and you're a thor-guy, so the ko=win theory you proposed here probably won't count in that odin/thanos battle.
hulk was fresh and stronger than ever. a great durability feat from thor, but he was getting smashed at the end of that fight. cling to your view, but again--enough "rational" thor fans were po'd enough to inundate marvel with letters expressing how angry they were at showing hulk finally being stronger than thor. so, yeah. sometimes the majority aren't the morons. 😉
why was this scan never addressed?
http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/hulk2001-3.html
Originally posted by leonidas
why was this scan never addressed?http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/hulk2001-3.html
Wasn't that the scan where Thor just knocked out Hulk then he proceeded to teleport Hulk back from another dimension and Hulk woke up in the air and started to pound on Thor "while Thor thought he as stillout cold" and as the last picture shows Thor hand is up b/c mjolnir is returning to him and he gets right up before Hulk even walks down hill.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Something like that. It seemed that when the Hulk took a step, the energy expanded underground, and even seemed to travel as they exploded as fissures from the ground causing severe damage.I don't you really can accurately. But it seems pretty clear, that the environmental damage was as large as it was, in large part due to the energy. Quantifying it as a pure strength feat seems wrong to me.
but you don't know where the "pure strength feat" ends. you just think it ends at some arbitrary point and suddenly the shockwave is no longer caused by strength (even though hulk's strength has been felt throughout planetary level distances in the past--see asteroid feat) but rather by the gamma energy.
yep, that is fairly nonsensical. 😐
Originally posted by DarkOdin
Wasn't that the scan where Thor just knocked out Hulk then he proceeded to teleport Hulk back from another dimension and Hulk woke up in the air and started to pound on Thor "while Thor thought he as stillout cold" and as the last picture shows Thor hand is up b/c mjolnir is returning to him and he gets right up before Hulk even walks down hill.
tbh--not sure. i think i have the book but was too lazy to scan the pic or dig through to look at the fight. i figured it would be easier and faster for someone here to provide the context. you could be right though. are you asking me, or telling me the context?
Originally posted by leonidas
tbh--not sure. i think i have the book but was too lazy to scan the pic or dig through to look at the fight. i figured it would be easier and faster for someone here to provide the context. you could be right though. are you asking me, or telling me the context?
I am about 99% sure what i said was the context of that scan
Originally posted by leonidas
why was this scan never addressed?http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/hulk2001-3.html
Most of us read the entire comic and know how that ended.
Context doesn't seem to be "leaderslair's" strong suit.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Most of us read the entire comic and know how that ended.Context doesn't seem to be "leaderslair's" strong suit.
that may be true, but SOME of us have better things to do than slog through 6000 comics to search for a single comic to establish context when asking a simple question is hella-easier. notice how i didn't draw conclusions from the scan--i ASKED for context. 😉
Rage has "held" his position in the sense that, despite mile long paragraphs, his entire arguments do nothing more than say "Huh-uh!"
I've made points. Valid points. I've posted scans that back my points. I've proven Thor does NOT always hold back against Hulk. I've proven Thor can not 10/10 one-shot Hulk. And I've backed the Hulk is stronger than Thor argument with the ultra-rare "indisputable feat". Thor couldn't break Onslaught's armor. Hulk could. And since strength is measured by limits, Hulk is, by definition of "infinite", stronger than Thor. Seems a no-brainer. Going all out, Thor's hammer has dented Cap's shield, an adamantium/vibranium composite. Going all out, Thor's hammer didn't even slow Hulk down. I'm not saying it never does. I'm saying it doesn't always.
My ultimate points;
Thor can't beat Hulk 10/10.
Hulk is stronger than Thor.
Originally posted by Master Court
Thor couldn't break Onslaught's armor. Hulk could. And since strength is measured by limits, Hulk is, by definition of "infinite", stronger than Thor. Seems a no-brainer. Going all out, Thor's hammer has dented Cap's shield, an adamantium/vibranium composite.
That Hulk (Onslaught Hulk) was amped and the Thor that dented Caps shield was more powerful than normal.
Originally posted by leonidas
that may be true, but SOME of us have better things to do than slog through 6000 comics to search for a single comic to establish context when asking a simple question is hella-easier. notice how i didn't draw conclusions from the scan--i ASKED for context. 😉
Did I say read through the entire 20 pages?
I'm sorry, I meant "be present in one of the countless Hulk vs Thor arguments, visit Thor's respect thread and/or visit Hulk's respect thread"
Regardless. "Thor is carrying Banner to safety, Banner turns and wails on Thor. Thor gets back up and knocks out the Hulk."
Either that, or it's "Thor knocks out Hulk and carries Banner to safety. Banner turns and wails on Thor. Thor gets back up and their fight is interrupted"
I can't remember if that's the comic where Thor's rain endangers some people and they work together to save 'em.
