Originally posted by Creshosk
I'm also on sleep dep so I tend to be a bit more... um... would it be awkward for me to say jovial to you?
Meh to an extent. I'm suffering from some sleep deprivation myself. I'm hitting the hay in about 5 minutes as well. It's almost 5:00 am, and as much as I'm enjoying our pointless chat, I need the rest.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusSo it was just an excuse by the writers of the comic to hand a karate fight... only without the martial arts. So, Hulks "cowardice" and thor's "cowardice" are mearly plot points.
Lol. I get what your saying.Thor has countless options and plenty that would work on Hulk and that could whisk that woman away safely. You have to look at the situation though. The entire premise of that issue, as stated by Stan Lee as I recall, was for them to brawl. Brawl.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusTell you what. you insult superman to his face and see how it goes. if you survive unharmed, I'll take your advice.
Tell that to all the other heroes like Superman that hold back and result to brawling.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusSometimes.
Yes, because clearly, heroes like the Silver Surfer, Superman and the Flash, have used their powers to their fullest and maximum efficiency when it was the most logical choice, yet the plot asked for differently right?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusIf you want.
You want me to list all the times these heroes, had the ability to do something that would get them out of a jam, yet did not for any other reason than the plot demanded it?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusYeah pretty much. when they limit themselves to imaginary rules that make things worse for them.
So whenever someone is bound by plot they are a scrub? Gotcha....
Originally posted by Creshosk
So it was just an excuse by the writers of the comic to hand a karate fight... only without the martial arts. So, Hulks "cowardice" and thor's "cowardice" are mearly plot points.
If you want, you can justify it that way.
Also, what showing of Thor's cowardice?
Originally posted by Creshosk
Tell you what. you insult superman to his face and see how it goes. if you survive unharmed, I'll take your advice.
Lol, Superman actually has been insulted in the past as I recall. He doesn't beat the crap out of his opponents and so on for doing so.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Sometimes.
Yes, sometimes they do. That much is obvious, but the same goes for Thor. He also has such instances
Originally posted by Creshosk
If you want.
Not really.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Yeah pretty much. when they limit themselves to imaginary rules that make things worse for them.
They don't limit themselves. Writers do, in order to progress the plot. I hate it as much as anyone else but it happens.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusOh I get what you were trying to say with this awkwardly worded question.
Me not responding with a joke in turn because yours wasn't even funny is a concession?
No, I was just pointing out that the word also means food items that can be purchased at a movie. I've just been seeing that word being bandied about a lot and its a bit annoying. So I decided to make a joke about accepting Blanket's concession.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Oh I get what you were trying to say with this awkwardly worded question.No, I was just pointing out that the word also means food items that can be purchased at a movie. I've just been seeing that word being bandied about a lot and its a bit annoying. So I decided to make a joke about accepting Blanket's concession.
Oh okay, lol.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusRunning from hulk. The reason is irrelevant.
If you want, you can justify it that way.Also, what showing of Thor's cowardice?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusYeah, I'm just not comfortable actually insulting somebody who can break me, like a twig by sneezing, to their face.
Lol, Superman actually has been insulted in the past as I recall. He doesn't beat the crap out of his opponents and so on for doing so.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI still think he had better options, than tossing his hammer away.
Yes, sometimes they do. That much is obvious, but the same goes for Thor. He also has such instances
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusWould have been impressive. You have to admit.
Not really. [/]b
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusYeah.. so you have to wonder how much of it is CIS and how much of it is PIS...
[B]They don't limit themselves. Writers do, in order to progress the plot. I hate it as much as anyone else but it happens.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Running from hulk. The reason is irrelevant.
When did he ever run from Hulk?
Originally posted by Creshosk
Yeah, I'm just not comfortable actually insulting somebody who can break me, like a twig by sneezing, to their face.
Others are. Your just not man enough. uhuh
Originally posted by Creshosk
I still think he had better options, than tossing his hammer away.
Of course he did. If I was him, I would have turned the woman intangible/invisible, and drop a God Blast on Hulk.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Would have been impressive. You have to admit.
Yea it really would, but I'm to lazy.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Yeah.. so you have to wonder how much of it is CIS and how much of it is PIS...
I do.
Anyways, I have to go now. Let's continue this later.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusWhen he was trying to make the hulk calmer.
When did he ever run from Hulk?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Others are. Your just not man enough. uhuh
"I'll settle for brains, thank you very much!" ~Jubilee; UXM#271
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI can't remember the AOE on the godblast.
Of course he did. If I was him, I would have turned the woman intangible/invisible, and drop a God Blast on Hulk.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympuslol
Yea it really would, but I'm to lazy.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusNight
I do.Anyways, I have to go now. Let's continue this later.
Ok. Time for me to play catch-up. I can point out two glaring flaws in your last argument.
You said it didn't make a difference(debate-wise) that Thor didn't hold back with that particular shot. But let's look at the full scan. I'm sure you've seen it before.
Thor hits Hulk. Hulk goes flying. Hulk gets right back up, without a mark on him, and grabs a statue that by Thor's own admission could kill him. If one full-power hit doesn't even phase Hulk, why would a second, third, forth, etc suddenly KO/Kill Hulk? And yes, "not holding back" directly implies maximum possible effort in whatever attack. Thor hit Hulk with Mjolnir "without holding back". That directly implies maximum strength with the intent of maximum damage.
I've completely forgotten the second point I was originally going to make, but I got a new anyway. So f*ck it.
When they came out of the portal and Hulk sucker punched Thor and started hammering him, it wasn't a fight. Hulk f*cking pounded Thor into the ground. Several unanswered punches. And Hulk walked several yards away before Thor even started to move. And he struggled to his feet. It's clear that not only was Thor completely unable to defend himself, Hulk could've kept going. There wasn't a single sign that Thor was fighting back, or even had the opportunity to. It was made clear that Hulk hammered him.
And back to the "holding back" thing. Thor didn't say he's "always" held back. He said he's held back in the past. The same way Thanos said that over the years he's sought to avoid a confrontation with the Hulk. Thanos doesn't mean he's spent every minute to make sure Hulk's nowhere in sight. Just that he's avoided him here and there.
And Thor DOES win by fighting skills. Brawling doesn't mean skill-less. A skilled fighter always fights skillfully. You can't just turn it off.
And another thing about your "holding back" sh*t. Thor's first fight with Rulk. Thor screams "For by morning thou wilt be DEAD!" You don't hold back against someone you're trying to kill. And you know what? Rulk didn't budge an inch. Rulk went on to even catch a strike from Mjolnir, even after it's been made clear Thor is trying to kill him. And Rulk beat the sh*t out of Thor. And by Thor's comment "By leaving me alive, you have something-something my wrath." we can easily assume Rulk had the opportunity and power to kill Thor.
And much later, issues later, Hulk beats the sh*t out of Rulk, and proving he's stronger than Rulk in the process. Since Rulk only aborbs energy, and Thor's powers are not energy based in any way, it's logical to assume Rulk pwned Thor with pure raw force and simple strategy. Save for the energy-absorbing crap, if Rulk can do it, Hulk can do it. Especially considering Rulk's strength does NOT increase.
So I've proven that on more than one occasion, Thor has not held back against a Hulk of some kind, and since Thor never stated how often or to what extent he holds back, it's a very real possibility that he has NOT held back on more than one occasion against Hulk himself. I've proven Rulk's strength is > Thor's durability. Hulk is stronger than Rulk, and therefore Hulk's strength is > Thor's durability. Given his many battles with Hulk, Thor should know better than to hold back against Hulk, someone that can physically harm him, and by Thor's admission could kill him, especially given the right weapon. And a weapon should be a-okay in this fight, considering Thor uses Asgardian super-glue to keep Mjolnir in his grip at all times.
So even there, we have Thor with Mjolnir, something powerful enough to dent Cap's adamantium/vibranium composite shield, unable to kill Hulk. And we have Hulk with an adamantium statue that Thor admits could kill him.
Finally, the test-of-strength we both have been referring to was years and years ago. Around that time, Hulk was also stating that he would've died from simply falling from great heights.
Hulk's strength not only increases with anger, but his base power and the extent of the anger-amp has increased over the years. Like I've pointed out before, a calm Banner-Controlled-Hulk caught and braced a 150 billion ton mountain at a moments notice. That's a tremendous amp in just a few seconds. And it wasn't even Savage Hulk. And in Planet Hulk, he took an orbital fall just to get home faster.
So the Hulk that stalemated Thor in a test-of-strength something like fifteen to twenty years ago was the same Hulk that could die from a fall at great heights. Since then, we have such a feat as Hulk breaking Onslaught's armor where Thor failed to do so. Even with Banner-removed, any feat of strength that any Hulk can do, Savage can eventually match and then some. Savage Hulk is definitely stronger than Thor. And what's more, between the two of them, Thor is the only one that has ever implied the possibility that the other is stronger.
As for Galactus and the "infinite strength" question. Hulk's strength is limitless. It's a canon fact. That doesn't mean he can beat Galactus. Or even hurt Galactus. For strength to hurt someone, they have to be susceptible to physical harm. It's the old "immovable object meets unstoppable force" thing. People much lesser than Galactus, like Thanos, have proven susceptible to physical harm. But Galactus is beyond that. Hence why Thanos has commented on avoiding Hulk. And Galactus turns people into piles of sh*t.
Is that your argument? If so it won't take me long but nice attempt. I can wait to read any insults made. It's actually pretty amusing at times. I always lol at those.
Still as fun as this has been, it's gotten pretty tedious. Time to end it.
Also, looking through it, those supposed flaws are baseless, and using Rulk as an example. Are you freaking joking me? You really aren't that desperate?
I mean, Jeph Loeb, had Spider-Man's punches have more effect on Rulk than Thor. By the logic of that comic book. Spider-Man is stronger than Thor and so on. Are you actually trying to use that comic as evidence? Thor was only there, to be a punching bag. He admitted it.
Fortunately for you, I have to go somewhere in an hour, and haven't gone to sleep yet. I'll reply to this later today after my comic book run.
Enjoy the suspense, friend.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Enjoy the suspense, friend.
I'll enjoy your absence...
Immensely...
*sigh*
F*ck me, this guy thinks he's owning everyone. 😕 I tried sound logic. I tried counter-evidence. I tried feats and showings, and sound comparisons. I tried the official canon facts. 😕 F*ck me, I even tried the Rulk stuff. This guy thinks I'm desperate because he thinks his own repeated arguments are good ones. I'm desperate because this is like having a f*cking keyboard shoved up my ass, a mouse shoved down my throat, and someone beating Crysis by kicking me in the f*cking balls.
*sigh*
Back to the world of dreams. Look, guy, I've proven my points, you've stuck with yours anyway. What's the f*cking point of taking this any further? I know if I were a, how do you people say it, "tall drink of water" like Thor, you'd actually consider what I'm saying instead of just sounding out the words like a f*cking text-to-speech program. But I'm not, so you've decided to take all the f*cking scans in the world, take them out of context or ultra-literal as suits your argument, and ignore half the sh*t I say while simultaneously responding to my every syllable with the same point you've made repeatedly as if your a f*cking mover-and-shaker in the forums. If you said something DIFFERENT with each sentence, that'd be one thing. But you keep F*CKING repeating yourself. It's as annoying as something that's really f*cking annoying! You're not interested in a debate. I knew you weren't from day f*cking uno. You're trying to convert my ass.
END OF!!
hysterical
This guy is ****ing hilarious.
I'm not nearly, as arrogant, or condensing as you make me sound though.
Ouch, that sounds ****ing painful. Sound's like knowsbleeds idea of fun though.
I'm not taking anything out of context and am not ignoring anything.
I am a mover and shaker on these boards. 😛
I keep repeating myself? Not really, but seeing as you haven't countered anything, I'm not really obligated to make any new points.
Anyways, bye bye. I have to go and get ready. Enjoy my absence. Maybe you'll take your head out of your ass while I'm gone although it seems as if it would be hoping for too much.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI have no clue. Apparently it wasn’t until his foot step that it became more than a light shown. Objects across the city where incinerated by the energy, yet the heroes around him were only tossed around by the energy as I recall.
Ermm not sure what you're talking about but if the energy that WWH was responsible or partially responsible it would do more. The buildings were not incinerated at the most the windows were blown out, that aint contributing to making fissures.
